posted December 12, 2016 04:35 AM            

1. They think that those taking a stand against the chasing are friends of the person in reference (I just do not want to make this tread a personal one as my critique goes beyond that particular discussion). Clarification: I am not a friend of anybody here. I do not know anybody here or keep private correspondence with anybody here. I have no particular preference for one group of people over the other.

2. There are newbies with good intention, but need to be educated why the harsh position toward the person in reference have been taken. Hence they stop being naïve and get who is right and who is wrong and stop defending an undeserving person. At this point all evidence is brought up (as you have done with the link). Truth is, I have been for a while in this forum and even if I am not very active, I have lurked around and have made my own opinion of people. My point is not whether the person in reference is racist, passive aggressive, play the victim or similar. My point is WHY TO CHOOSE TO HUMILLIATE SOMEONE because this person is this or that? In my view NO ONE (NOT EVEN a racist, a mediocre writer, an intentional lier, a manipulator, or any other name you want) deserves to be humiliated by a group of friends in a public forum. That put the group doing that into a worst position that the person they are attacking. Because the method is CRUEL. Or it looks cruel to me. There are mechanism to address this in a professional way and that was my point. It did not sound professional. Not that I can be excused myself. Making this mocking thread make me one doing something similar and that is why I apologized.

I was trying to bring an outsider perspective (as I am not in any team or any side, even if it can be perceived as I am). I have noticed that anybody who is trying to bring some sanity into that discussion is accused of not liking the truth or not having the clear picture, or being newbie. I even saw a quote in this thread about LEECHES. Really? What about taking distance for a moment and look that discussion from an outsider perspective? Do I care if someone is racist? Yes, I do. Would I go into her-his treads to humiliate this person and make sure everybody knows she is a racist even if the thread is totally unrelated to racism? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Do I care about well-researched articles? Yes. Would I chase someone threads and expose a person who is careless about data because I just cannot stand mediocrity? NO, why? Because there are other threads I can go to and… If I were a very good astrologer as many of the people in that team are, I would just focus into writing my articles and helping people with my knowledge. I would not waste the energy and time I have to educate people in astrology to fight a “bad-racist-passive-aggressive astrologer”.

I just hope all the astrology knowledge is spread in the forum and the attention is put into that rather into fighting what it seems a lost cause. Unless they think that approach is achieving anything other than hatred.

if there is evidence that this approach is really helping any positive cause, I will be happy to see in what way is doing so.

Best wishes
NS

posted December 12, 2016 08:39 AM            

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posted December 12, 2016 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Hi Violet,
It seems that all the people that has teamed into one position think that the reason behind some “outsiders” critic to their approach is due to the following:

1. They think that those taking a stand against the chasing are friends of the person in reference (I just do not want to make this tread a personal one as my critique goes beyond that particular discussion). Clarification: I am not a friend of anybody here. I do not know anybody here or keep private correspondence with anybody here. I have no particular preference for one group of people over the other.

2. There are newbies with good intention, but need to be educated why the harsh position toward the person in reference have been taken. Hence they stop being naïve and get who is right and who is wrong and stop defending an undeserving person. At this point all evidence is brought up (as you have done with the link). Truth is, I have been for a while in this forum and even if I am not very active, I have lurked around and have made my own opinion of people. My point is not whether the person in reference is racist, passive aggressive, play the victim or similar. My point is WHY TO CHOOSE TO HUMILLIATE SOMEONE because this person is this or that? In my view NO ONE (NOT EVEN a racist, a mediocre writer, an intentional lier, a manipulator, or any other name you want) deserves to be humiliated by a group of friends in a public forum. That put the group doing that into a worst position that the person they are attacking. Because the method is CRUEL. Or it looks cruel to me. There are mechanism to address this in a professional way and that was my point. It did not sound professional. Not that I can be excused myself. Making this mocking thread make me one doing something similar and that is why I apologized.

I was trying to bring an outsider perspective (as I am not in any team or any side, even if it can be perceived as I am). I have noticed that anybody who is trying to bring some sanity into that discussion is accused of not liking the truth or not having the clear picture, or being newbie. I even saw a quote in this thread about LEECHES. Really? What about taking distance for a moment and look that discussion from an outsider perspective? Do I care if someone is racist? Yes, I do. Would I go into her-his treads to humiliate this person and make sure everybody knows she is a racist even if the thread is totally unrelated to racism? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Do I care about well-researched articles? Yes. Would I chase someone threads and expose a person who is careless about data because I just cannot stand mediocrity? NO, why? Because there are other threads I can go to and… If I were a very good astrologer as many of the people in that team are, I would just focus into writing my articles and helping people with my knowledge. I would not waste the energy and time I have to educate people in astrology to fight a “bad-racist-passive-aggressive astrologer”.

I just hope all the astrology knowledge is spread in the forum and the attention is put into that rather into fighting what it seems a lost cause. Unless they think that approach is achieving anything other than hatred.

if there is evidence that this approach is really helping any positive cause, I will be happy to see in what way is doing so.

Best wishes
NS

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Duly noted, you're entitled to your opinions. I'm entitled to mine. We have the right to express our opinions, which I don't often bother to do here.

posted December 12, 2016 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Duly noted, you're entitled to your opinions. I'm entitled to mine. We have the right to express our opinions, which I don't often bother to do here.

Peace.

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posted December 12, 2016 09:39 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
thank you and peace to you as well

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posted December 12, 2016 10:30 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Hi Violet,
It seems that all the people that has teamed into one position think that the reason behind some “outsiders” critic to their approach is due to the following:

1. They think that those taking a stand against the chasing are friends of the person in reference (I just do not want to make this tread a personal one as my critique goes beyond that particular discussion). Clarification: I am not a friend of anybody here. I do not know anybody here or keep private correspondence with anybody here. I have no particular preference for one group of people over the other.

2. There are newbies with good intention, but need to be educated why the harsh position toward the person in reference have been taken. Hence they stop being naïve and get who is right and who is wrong and stop defending an undeserving person. At this point all evidence is brought up (as you have done with the link). Truth is, I have been for a while in this forum and even if I am not very active, I have lurked around and have made my own opinion of people. My point is not whether the person in reference is racist, passive aggressive, play the victim or similar. My point is WHY TO CHOOSE TO HUMILLIATE SOMEONE because this person is this or that? In my view NO ONE (NOT EVEN a racist, a mediocre writer, an intentional lier, a manipulator, or any other name you want) deserves to be humiliated by a group of friends in a public forum. That put the group doing that into a worst position that the person they are attacking. Because the method is CRUEL. Or it looks cruel to me. There are mechanism to address this in a professional way and that was my point. It did not sound professional. Not that I can be excused myself. Making this mocking thread make me one doing something similar and that is why I apologized.

I was trying to bring an outsider perspective (as I am not in any team or any side, even if it can be perceived as I am). I have noticed that anybody who is trying to bring some sanity into that discussion is accused of not liking the truth or not having the clear picture, or being newbie. I even saw a quote in this thread about LEECHES. Really? What about taking distance for a moment and look that discussion from an outsider perspective? Do I care if someone is racist? Yes, I do. Would I go into her-his treads to humiliate this person and make sure everybody knows she is a racist even if the thread is totally unrelated to racism? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Do I care about well-researched articles? Yes. Would I chase someone threads and expose a person who is careless about data because I just cannot stand mediocrity? NO, why? Because there are other threads I can go to and… If I were a very good astrologer as many of the people in that team are, I would just focus into writing my articles and helping people with my knowledge. I would not waste the energy and time I have to educate people in astrology to fight a “bad-racist-passive-aggressive astrologer”.

I just hope all the astrology knowledge is spread in the forum and the attention is put into that rather into fighting what it seems a lost cause. Unless they think that approach is achieving anything other than hatred.

if there is evidence that this approach is really helping any positive cause, I will be happy to see in what way is doing so.

Best wishes
NS

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We all have to stand up against racism, scams and unethical astrology. Who is supposed to do it for you? Silence is condoning.

What you do here, which is the attempt to vilify those who do speak up for your beliefs (against racism, lies, fraud) in order to justify for your (wrong) initial position is beyond condoning. It is contributing to creating a precedent of intimidation of all those who point out something wrong in the future. Give up on yourself this is not about you in the way you make it, it is about you being cherished in a different way.

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posted December 12, 2016 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
This is the typical attitude I am very critical about. You claim you are defending against racism and other evils. How your attitude is different from any racist? A racist think some races are superior to other. How your reasoning is any better? You think your moral values are above anybody else and want to impose them by any mean. You feel entitle to insult any person who disagree with you. How this is different from any Hitler you may criticise here? How you are any better? If you cannot realize how double standard you look, then you really need people like me to stand up and make a mock of your intolerance to see if some part of you come to your senses. I was wrong in thinking that. It takes courage to be able to look at yourself and see the incoherence and double standard. You criticize Ami because she cannot apologize. Since you are so high standards, why you don’t start apologizing to all the people you have insulted for disagreeing with you? It is obvious that the only language you want here is submission and I am not a submissive person. And when I see double standards I speak up. You are the most intolerant person I have ever noticed in this forum.
You are talking about intimidation. Who is intimidating here? I do not have friends here to come to my rescue as you have. It must feel very brave to have many buddies here and come to my thread and insult me. I wonder if you would be so BRAVE if you would not have a team applauding any insult you have provided to anybody who dare to say something different. Just pick one person you have not insulted for disagreeing with you? Unlike you, I am standing myself alone in from of people like you who think that because you have friends you own this place. Hello, I belong to this place as much as you do. If you do not like it that is your problem. I have no intention to fall into justifying myself in front of a person whose behaviour is so despicable.
You should apologize to any person you have insulted (without any base) for disagreeing with you. People who gave their opinion without offending you or calling Leech or similar. You think that anybody who don’t follow your offending strategy is a leech or whatever other term you have used. People like you are more damaging than the people you are attacking because you cover yourself behind the “values” you are defending so dearly.
Please have the decency to leave me alone. I will do the same.

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posted December 12, 2016 01:20 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Again, you are doing the same thing, this time with more targeted insults. Get this straight: as long as you continue to vilify a normal reaction in people and their right to say a lie is a lie, I will continue to combat you till Kingdom Come. It's not personal. And by this I mean I don't care who you are or who I am.

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@nordicsoul

Jack the Ripper was a serial killer.

Fact, not insult.

Bernie Madoff is a con artist.

Fact, not insult.

Jeffrey Epstein is a convicted pedophile.

Fact, not insult.

Ami Anne has been posting false information so often it appears as provocation and baiting.

Fact, not insult.

I don't put up with bullsh*t like that, not when it affects a whole community. So call me cruel? Maybe I am.

I do not apologize.

You, nordicsoul, are passive-aggressive in the making of this thread. You could have addressed me directly but chose to MOCK me while claiming to be anti-mocking.

Hypocritical behavior

And that is a fact. The truth.

posted December 12, 2016 01:31 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I didn't insult you. I was just sad to see this thread, yesterday morning.

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posted December 12, 2016 01:33 PM            

Sulky! {{ }}

posted December 12, 2016 02:50 PM            

and to Faith

You asked me to leave you alone and out of respect I did it. Conversely, you come to my thread to insult me. Very high standard, bravo!!!
You are accusing me of being passive aggressive and hypocritical. Since you are so fond of the TRUTH and the evidence, could you show me the evidence? I did express my opinion in that thread clearly. I do not remember being passive aggressive or sugar coating. Was I? Why don't you quote what I said in that thread and showed me in front of the tribunal how passive aggressive I was. Maybe you are afraid that the TRUTH will reveal itself and your intentions will be exposed

Again: one thing is to criticize Amy for not checking the charts, etc. another is to make fun of her as some of you did. And my critic was to that. The inappropriateness of the method. I stated my view in that long thread. So why you needed a more particular e-mail or communication to address the issue. Why? And to whom of the team? So you are telling me that my two post in that thread was not clear? that I was reacting to the humiliation it was inflicted to Ami? Since I noticed the fanatical attitude and response to anyone who question the method of yours, I decided to write my mock. I realized that voices there were silent by the most numerous friendship network. Then I decided to communicate my opinion in the way I found more suitable for the purpose. I believe this to be my right!

What I see here is that you expect that ONLY you and your team are entitled to mock people. When someone do the same, they are passive aggressive. Nice way to show your double standards. How you dare to teach me how to communicate a critic?. Someone who has been harassing other is not exactly the best example? I do not fall for inquisitors trap. Ceri did a parody of Ami way of doing astrology and most of you celebrated it. I do my parody of the absurdity of people who believe they are entitled to impose their moral values on others and enforce them as if they were perfect human beings. Do I have the same right or not? or your double standards do not allow you to see the TRUTH?

I suspect that what is going is that deep inside you know what I say is true. Particularly you and bully1 have behaved as medieval inquisitors. And have used the excuse of the TRUTH to torture and humiliate. You have used the TRUTH AND PROTECTION OF INNOCENTS as the alibi for bullying. So when someone with double standards come to me and pretend to teach me lesson I have this answer.

I prefer to be passive-aggressive and hypocritical but a person who accepts that everybody deserves to be treated with decency. Instead you are a self-righteous fanatic full of double standards pretending to teach me moral.
Since you like to teach moral lessons here come one for you;
Be a woman and accept that you have your double standards and everything will be ok. In the meantime, have the decency to leave me alone as I did when you asked me.

posted December 12, 2016 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Thanks Mirage,

and to Faith

You asked me to leave you alone and out of respect I did it.

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ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????

You kept talking about me constantly here!

WTF?

posted December 12, 2016 05:37 PM            

What kind of person keeps up a thread criticizing someone nonstop, and then has the gaul to say "Out of respect to you, I left you alone."

posted December 12, 2016 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

You, nordicsoul, are passive-aggressive in the making of this thread. You could have addressed me directly but chose to MOCK me while claiming to be anti-mocking.

Hypocritical behavior

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posted December 12, 2016 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Thanks Mirage,

and to Faith

You asked me to leave you alone and out of respect I did it. Conversely, you come to my thread to insult me. Very high standard, bravo!!!
You are accusing me of being passive aggressive and hypocritical. Since you are so fond of the TRUTH and the evidence, could you show me the evidence? I did express my opinion in that thread clearly. I do not remember being passive aggressive or sugar coating. Was I? Why don't you quote what I said in that thread and showed me in front of the tribunal how passive aggressive I was. Maybe you are afraid that the TRUTH will reveal itself and your intentions will be exposed

Again: one thing is to criticize Amy for not checking the charts, etc. another is to make fun of her as some of you did. And my critic was to that. The inappropriateness of the method. I stated my view in that long thread. So why you needed a more particular e-mail or communication to address the issue. Why? And to whom of the team? So you are telling me that my two post in that thread was not clear? that I was reacting to the humiliation it was inflicted to Ami? Since I noticed the fanatical attitude and response to anyone who question the method of yours, I decided to write my mock. I realized that voices there were silent by the most numerous friendship network. Then I decided to communicate my opinion in the way I found more suitable for the purpose. I believe this to be my right!

What I see here is that you expect that ONLY you and your team are entitled to mock people. When someone do the same, they are passive aggressive. Nice way to show your double standards. How you dare to teach me how to communicate a critic?. Someone who has been harassing other is not exactly the best example? I do not fall for inquisitors trap. Ceri did a parody of Ami way of doing astrology and most of you celebrated it. I do my parody of the absurdity of people who believe they are entitled to impose their moral values on others and enforce them as if they were perfect human beings. Do I have the same right or not? or your double standards do not allow you to see the TRUTH?

I suspect that what is going is that deep inside you know what I say is true. Particularly you and bully1 have behaved as medieval inquisitors. And have used the excuse of the TRUTH to torture and humiliate. You have used the TRUTH AND PROTECTION OF INNOCENTS as the alibi for bullying. So when someone with double standards come to me and pretend to teach me lesson I have this answer.

I prefer to be passive-aggressive and hypocritical but a person who accepts that everybody deserves to be treated with decency. Instead you are a self-righteous fanatic full of double standards pretending to teach me moral.
Since you like to teach moral lessons here come one for you;
Be a woman and accept that you have your double standards and everything will be ok. In the meantime, have the decency to leave me alone as I did when you asked me.

Nordicsoul
passive-aggressive hypocritical with proud
and mocker of double-standards folks

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I didn't even see this. You just can't stop making what's happening about yourself and your power hunger.

I'm sorry, Faith please don't take to heart such shortcomings.

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posted December 12, 2016 05:54 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:

You are accusing me of being passive aggressive and hypocritical. Since you are so fond of the TRUTH and the evidence, could you show me the evidence? I did express my opinion in that thread clearly. I do not remember being passive aggressive or sugar coating. Was I? Why don't you quote what I said in that thread and showed me in front of the tribunal how passive aggressive I was. Maybe you are afraid that the TRUTH will reveal itself and your intentions will be exposed

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K, fine

I was bombarded with comments on that thread and could not reply to every single one. Now I see you did comment to me.

I apologize for the oversight. I should not have called you passive aggressive.

However THIS THREAD *is* mockery of me, and you are supposedly anti-mocking.

You could have opened a better conversation with me since I never did anything against you personally.

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
What I see here is that you expect that ONLY you and your team are entitled to mock people.

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Total fabricated NONSENSE!!!

We are not mocking people, we are not even a "team", just people who happen to agree on things (and like each a lot, usually!) You make it sound like we're a mafia.

REALLY...think about the severity of your allegations here. Are they warranted?

Extraordinary allegations require a heavy burden of proof. So why don't you supply links of me and my thug-team going around mocking people, to support this rumor you are trying to spread?

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Particularly you and bully1 have behaved as medieval inquisitors. And have used the excuse of the TRUTH to torture and humiliate. You have used the TRUTH AND PROTECTION OF INNOCENTS as the alibi for bullying. So when someone with double standards come to me and pretend to teach me lesson I have this answer.

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Oh I'm torturing innocents now...?

Yeah just blame me for all of history.

posted December 12, 2016 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'm sorry, Faith please don't take to heart such shortcomings.

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I don't take things to heart because I am willing to own up to every single thing that I do or say. But someone maintaining the right to blab on and on about my cruelty and telling me "I respected your wish and backed off" is really...

I mean, what can I even say about something like this.

But thanks, Lee