posted December 13, 2016 08:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Voix

This is what I think. Faith has a witch hunt for me. She sees it as her "purpose" to kick me off here and she does not care if she is banned to do so. That is why she is escalating. She has people of low character joining her because humiliating and demeaning someone like they do me defines low character. She is a bully but cowers when she is criticized by people such as Nordic Soul, CF, Cinnamon and others.

Here is what I think of the "verifying"

I know you were trying to be an amazing person and you really are, Voix, but it would ruin the whole site.

I have to be honest. I think it is a terrible idea.

I am saying it straight because I try to talk straight.

I would never come here because I come for FUN, SHARING, FRIENDS, WARMTH and a COMMUNITY.

I have a BA from Duke and a MA from University of Va.

I have seen all the egghead work I want to see.

If people have esoteric astrology, I don't bother them.

If I have my simple, fun, teaching astrology, it shows a MISERABLE, COWARDLY person who will bother me--try to get me kicked off etc

I am the head of many Astrology groups on other sites with about 6000 people, who love what I do.

All the while Faith is bombarding me with insults and disparaging, I have had so many loving and appreciative things said to me that I had to really crack up.

BUT, I love LL and I love Randall and I love most people on here.

I don't "hate' Faith.

I just will not play along in her plan to kick me out.

I have made that clear.

She thinks when I ignored her I was weak.

I knew that it I stood up and posted how she treated me, she would do this, and I hoped to avoid it.

However, when she started calling me mentally ill, a liar, which she has done many, many times and making her want to throw up, I thought she should not be allowed to do so, anymore.

I write things I find on the web, in various places, in which there are DIFFERENT Ascendants listed for people.

I mixed up one couple in synastry.

I see people are exemplifying ASCs, being classic for Ascendants, as I clearly state, too i.e being prototypical of an Ascendant or another placement, not necessarily having it.

[b]That is what there "ostensible" issue is with me

Can you believe it?

I have over 4000 articles. I am an earth void. I have many typos. I read voraciously and have found various info on the web on people's Ascendants.

I will tell you the real truth. When Faith et al attack me, I GET STRONGER, not weaker.

I will stay at LL if it is free like it is.

If it becomes a police state in any way, I will leave because I am Like Nordic soul.

If people cannot discern for themselves, they need to move to a communist country.

That is it.

I am super glad nothing got closed so people could see what I have been silently dealing with with Faith for well over a year.

Love you guys LOADS!!

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Why are the 13 false examples still up there, after 7 days?

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posted December 13, 2016 08:41 AM            

I simplify things.

I say things as "prototypical" of placements.

If you don't like it, don't read.

I hope Faith et al learned a lesson and I think she did. I don't think they are gonna pull this #@#$# any time soon LOL

The reason I answered back after all this time is that no one should be allowed to abuse someone the way she THOUGHT she could do to me

She doesn't know me very well if she thought I would take it forever lol

If this site becomes academic, I will leave, so if you want to get rid of me, push for that

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posted December 13, 2016 08:42 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
At this point, before going further with the more/different forums discussion, I am interested in seeing the expectations and the set of values this forum has in regards to accuracy and integrity. It has become my priority because my activity here and in everything I do can only be based on offering and expecting honesty, a genuine interest, genuine promotion of astrology, a strive for truth and accuracy and a viable, fluid formula for counteracting the opposite.

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Yes! There have been some brilliantly thoughtful responses - I think we could attempt to summarise them

posted December 13, 2016 08:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

By the way, I AM an professional astrologer. I come into this forum using my real name and putting my real reputation as an astrologer on the line. The worldwide web is my office and these forums my break room and water cooler.

I'll remind folks that Linda Goodman was a very spiritual person who believed that Love overcomes all. The focus of her life's work as a writer and astrologer seems to have been understanding others, loving them, growing in self-awareness, and succeeding in a purposeful life. Maybe some contemplation of that would help us here.

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Apollogies Kannon - I did not realize that Astrology is your profession.

posted December 13, 2016 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Voix

This is what I think. Faith has a witch hunt for me. She sees it as her "purpose" to kick me off here...

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So many people leave because of you.

I'm not lying.

Seems like you are on a "witch hunt" to bother people to the point where this place is not inhabitable for them any more.

I've left before because of you.

I know several others who have, too. Some of them have unregistered in protest of you.

So who is the one running people out of LL?

posted December 13, 2016 08:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If anyone wants to read me, I may make some mistakes in the course of my over 4000 articles

I simplify things.

I say things as "prototypical" of placements.

If you don't like it, don't read.

I hope Faith et al learned a lesson and I think she did. I don't think they are gonna pull this #@#$# any time soon LOL

If this site becomes academic, I will leave, so if you want to get rid of me, push for that

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I think it is fine, although perhaps a bit risky, to state that someone *appears* to embody the energy of a placement, as long as it is clear in the statement that this is not stating a fact that this person *does have* that placement.

I think if stating someone does have a placement, then surely it doesn't take too long to paste in the link to that info?

This would also make the articles work harder and function better as learning materials for the newbies, as then they can follow the link to do some further reading. Articles are a great opportunity for learning - why not exploit that by taking more time on accuracy (where assertions are stated as facts) than quantity?

Would this not better serve your readers' needs?

posted December 13, 2016 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

If this site becomes academic, I will leave, so if you want to get rid of me, push for that

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no need to do so.

Maybe "we" (still wondering about the group that calls you out due to your lies- a group that commnunicates telepathically)
all gonna die due to our bad karma since we were proving lies- we have done evil to you

Oh no, it was just me. I might die soon or suffer terrible pain soon since i have done evil to Ami Anne.

posted December 13, 2016 08:54 AM            

I serve about 3000 people a day on my website and get oodles of amazing comments for what I do, my brand of Astrology.

I get 95% positive and maybe 5% negative, but they can go someplace else.

I won't even accept a chart from a person whom I feel is not in line with how I see Astrology.

I refer them on to someone else, who is more esoteric.

It is just not a good fit

I need no money from Astrology.

I am in it due to the pure love of it!

I won't change it, unless I feel, in my gut, it needs to be changed, which I don't.

If people don't like me, don't read. It is that simple lol

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posted December 13, 2016 08:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I agree with Faith earlier. It shouldn't have to be required, people ahould just be genuinely interested in posting accurate information from the start. People make mistakes, yes, but with recent events they can no longer be considered mistakes.

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posted December 13, 2016 08:58 AM            

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If this site becomes academic, I[Ami Anne] will leave, so if you want to get rid of me, push for that...

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That would be nice. The IQ quotient in the this place will shoot up 5 points.

posted December 13, 2016 08:59 AM            

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posted December 13, 2016 09:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Do you think I am stupid lol

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No comment.

you lied about your own birth chart:
first one, dated October 2, 2011: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/001846.html
There you are a scorpio ascendant with pluto conj Mc and venus inconj your asc

second one, dated March 25, 2012: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/003040.html
Here you are a libra asc with moon conj mc and venus trine asc. How often did you state on here that you need to show your heart to the world since having moon/mc?!

Don't start with "i have corrected my birth chart" because a couple of days ago (!):
you said you have a LEO MC (as in the first birth chart): http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/236905.html

Also, on this thread, your OP http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/236910.html , you say that you have a progressed Scorpio Asc. This is highly unlikely. If you were born on June 20, 1955, like claiming in one of your birth charts, your progressed Asc is in Capricorn!!!

Also, you claimed to have a fire singleton- doesn't appear to be like that in neither of your "charts" http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/203773.html

+ you lied about Faith and her alleged bullying: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/006294-3.html

posted December 13, 2016 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
No, Voix

I serve about 3000 people a day on my website and get oodles of amazing comments for what I do, my brand of Astrology.

I get 95% positive and maybe 5% negative, but they can go someplace else.

I won't even accept a chart from a person whom I feel is not in line with how I see Astrology.

I refer them on to someone else, who is more esoteric.

It is just not a good fit

I need no money from Astrology.

I am in it due to the pure love of it!

I won't change it, unless I feel, in my gut, it needs to be changed, which I don't.

If people don't like me, don't read. It is that simple lol

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Ami, my previous response to you disappeared for some reason, but just to summarise:

I basically said that many share your concerns about LL becoming overly academic, however, all those in favour of *some* academic area, have simply stated that accuracy standards would be both helpful and ethical in one or two forums.

There could be one forum dedicated to research - many have responded here with inteerst in this - this is needs of the members speaking.

No need for anyone to leave because of it, as the other forums would remain.

I don't feel there is an attack on your "brand" of astrology. What I think people are requesting is that information stated as fact, be accurate and linked to source.

I believe this is a reasonable request and one that all members stating facts have a responsibility to honour.

Everything else is speculation and discussion - and that is great too as it generates thought and ideas!

posted December 13, 2016 09:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Sorry Voix.

In the interest of saving this thread from drama, I will leave this thread and request that people please refrain from discussing me. Thanks.

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posted December 13, 2016 09:16 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
can we agree in some basic standard for any forum (brainstorming or academic)
1. source for chart data when is not the personal data
2. plagiarism is forbidden. Period
3. any participant in the forum can object accuracy if found faulty data or plagiarism
4. owner of the thread revise data and correct accordingly. failure to that results in closing of the thread, the post is closed by moderator (or ethical committee if created or something) with a disclaimer for closure "closed because of inaccuracy on chart data discussed" or "closed because some information is taken from other websites or sources without proper acknowledge

when it is about articles all the above applies, plus a more detail oriented standards. we can use any followed by scientif communities. no need to invent the wheel here.

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Yes, I think this is a good summary of what we can request - thanks Nordicsoul!

posted December 13, 2016 09:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If people want to scour my articles for errors--FINE. Be nice about telling me. I am a very reasonable person and I can make mistakes but DON"T WITCH HUNT ME and[b] LIE that it is due to "some mistakes" Do you think I am stupid lol

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Thanks for saying this Ami.

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You know maybe we could all agree on some sources that we feel are accurate, such as Astro.com, and then we are all getting our data from agreed reliable sources?

What do you think, can we make a list?

posted December 13, 2016 09:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
If people want to scour my articles for errors--FINE. Be nice about telling me. I am a very reasonable person and I can make mistakes but DON"T WITCH HUNT ME and[b] LIE that it is due to "some mistakes" Do you think I am stupid lol

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Fine, so, you were shown you had made an error.

Can happen (though if the same error happens consistently, I start having my doubts too).

But why not simply correct that mistake?

In not correcting the mistake it seems, like you don`t care about the accuracy of data, you base your interpretations on. The chart IS what yuo base your interpretations on, right?

What you call a witchhunt it simply our refusal to back down - again - for the sake of keeping the peace and quiet, and instead simply pointing out where you were mistaken (I am not even talking about interpretation, but about the chartDATA), because obviously you did not hear us the first time.

And as for witchhunt, honestly, you have had it for FAith forever, she can`t say anything to you, without being accused of a witchhunt and following you around.
Which is simply not true, as you can easily see in this thread alone.

Your post on her is just filled with outrageous insults, how is that NOT bullying?

The accusation of you being a liar, well the conclusion was pretty likely, after you having been told many times about the error you made, and still persisting to continue that error. If someone is deliberately sharing their obvious mistakes with the world, what could that be called differently than lying?

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And Faith is right, I left the forum twice because of you.

And no, it was not because of your affinity to lists. The reasons were different ones, and you know them, but you refuse to even talk about my concerns with me. Fine. It`s your call.

posted December 13, 2016 09:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am not going to change, Voix. If people want to KINDLY point out errors, that is fine, because I am sure in over 4000 articles, I have some errors, but I have no PERSONAL DESIRE to change how I do Astrology, so people are free to skip over me a la a speed bump

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I think having standards in one or two forums would be good for the whole community.

The situation with your articles has just highlighted this, but I don't think this is about changing you Ami.

The situation has highlighted how easy it is to state something as fact that is not fact, and that when errors are pointed out, it can lead to conflict. Having an agreed standard may reduce instances of conflict, although as you pointed out, it is also important *how* errors are pointed out, and consequently *how* that pointing out is handled by the OP.

posted December 13, 2016 09:30 AM            

Also, I have quoted the horrible things Faith said to me on a SINGLE day.

She said I was mentally ill, a liar and made her want to throw up.

That should not be allowed. N'cest pas?

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