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Ami Anne
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posted December 14, 2016 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe in Jung's thinking. I have Jung conjunct the Sun. We need to FACE our darkness in order to heal. Very few people are honest in this current societal climate. It is so rare. I try to be honest, as to how I see things. People who contact me will get that from me and know that from reading my articles, so if someone does not want that, I am not the right person for him and he needs to find someone else lol

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posted December 14, 2016 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I'm sure you say your honest ideas,

but also you are not honest because you deny the true asteroid name Blewett and call it what you want it to be, Blewit

If you were honest you would at least say the true name, but that it can also be in your ideas the exact same as Blewit, That would be honesty. Unless you just forget the true name all the time

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posted December 14, 2016 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

This is why it takes me 5 days to do a natal chart. However, certain aspects are, unlikely, to be mitigated by other aspects. For a non controversial example, an Unaspected Scorpio Mars will very UNLIKELY to be docile lol


lol.. even i met one with neptune square and still was no DOCILE

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posted December 14, 2016 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The neptune could have pushed it under, so you may not see it, NS. That is an example. You "met" him. Did you live with him lol

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posted December 14, 2016 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, if it had a Neptune square, it would not be totally Unaspected, NS. However, I find that in these cases( one aspect, for example), the traits of Unaspected planets do manifest, but not as strongly.

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posted December 14, 2016 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMO a mid point is a powerful aspect. So you probably never take that into account. Consider the mid point of the sun and moon may be one of the most prominant planets in the entire chart. If you don't consider that, then you won't get accuracy for how important a planet is

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posted December 14, 2016 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
actually Nordic was agreeing with you, You originally said if it's unaspected then mars is Undocile, he then said the person's mars WAS aspect and thus it was DOcile

And then I said a mid point is an aspect. That you probably never considered

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posted December 14, 2016 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NS

About Moon/Saturn

How do you think the trines manifest vs the hard aspects?

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posted December 14, 2016 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Someone has moon opp saturn, and they are supposedly overly formal in casual interactions, a bit too moody or something and they are a bit restricted in expression but are really good listeners.

I could see instantly that the description was accurate.

But if I don't see that it's accurate, I wont pin that they are that way.

Mars conjunct sun friend has a lot of will power, whenever he's going he's going with a drive to accomplish and succeed.

I learned the aspect and then I saw the trait in him. But I wouldn't learn the aspect and convince myself he is like that. Only if it truly seemed so.

(Since we are working with facts such as mars conj sun)


I see what you mean. in those instances when you find discrepancy between the theory and the fact, have you found any explanation in the chart? for instance, his mars-sun conjunction square neptune. or many planets in libra, just an example. or the mars sing itself is in cancer, piscis, libra.

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posted December 14, 2016 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ceri

95% of people with Moon sq Moon in the synastry have a relationship which is not harmonious. That is my premise, shall we say, arrived from doing many, many charts.

OK---- I have that premise.

Person A comes to me and says that her cousins have a great marriage and they have this.

I would think she was in denial or did not know what was going on in the heads of other people.

YES lol


You know what I think. This kind of behaviour is presumptuous.

No matter how often you repeat it, it will not change my thinking.

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posted December 14, 2016 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well lol i never found discrepencies, but i was just suggesting you can learn a bit if you not only "give the description" to apply to them, but also "take in their personality" and understand the energy they possess, but you definitely need the description to understand them. hehe, but you can learn from them even more so how it is!

Like when i read the saturn-moon opposition, since i already knew the person, i understood it perfectly what they meant in the description, if i didnt know the person, i wouldnt have been able to "pin down" the words to how the energy has manifisted, i wouldnt have a clue.

But yeah everything should apply, but i was just saying you can also learn a lot by using the person as a tool

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posted December 14, 2016 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You asked me to explain and I did, Ceri. How about agree to disagree? It takes all types of people to make the world and that includes any field. The people who would choose you as an astrologer would not choose me and vice versa. So, that is really Ok and how it should be. The people who don't resonate with me, usually, know me from my articles and don't choose me and that is good lol

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posted December 14, 2016 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This is my opinion of the aspect that gets me in the most trouble--Nessus conj the ASC. That person will need to face the desires to abuse. This person will need to face this trait within herself, more than someone who does not have a prominent Nessus. Once, these traits are TRULY faced, they can be worked with. However, if the person denies them, it is hopeless.


an interesting article would be to write about the cases you know with this aspect and post some anonymous charts. the more cases you bring to the table, the more convincing. I am not much into asteroid astrology, but many people here are, so that would be very good

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posted December 14, 2016 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have no desire to convince anyone on here, NS. People on here are not my judge and jury. If they want to read and talk, that is cool, but I am not looking for people to make me" approved of" like USDA meat. Why would I possible care to make a whole thing where people on here judge me? That is crazy lol

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posted December 14, 2016 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I already did disagree with you, and then you started again.

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posted December 14, 2016 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You could care cause we are all open to truth,

Although I wouldnt read the articles, if someone was really "open" to truth, you'd convince them.

iF your theories don't hold truth, people wouldn't accept them because of that, and not because they dont like you

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posted December 14, 2016 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand your point Ami about dealing with a certain aspect.The person will simply face the desire to do something more than others..brilliant explanation!

Abuse???? (never heard this aspect before) this is a extremelly dangerous ground to talk to,for me at least.I mean I fear this part of astrology because there is too many things involved.

I also think some aspects/placements has multiple layers (too many traits) so is hard to tell exactly which traits applies to them.Then I respectfully disagree with you on this one,I don't see it as a denial,it is just the fact that is unlikely for many to have all that at them same time.How many traits are assigned to one simple moon in taurus?We have a mix of each sun,moon,venus..etc a little bit of one,a little bit of other.


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posted December 14, 2016 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The neptune could have pushed it under, so you may not see it, NS. That is an example. You "met" him. Did you live with him lol


i edited, I meant the person was NO docile. he was everything but DOCILE... actually, the mars-neptune played more as periods of withdrawal to recharge, but no.. he was always a warrior. not docile at all

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posted December 14, 2016 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How many traits are assigned to one simple moon in taurus?We have a mix of each sun,moon,venus..etc a little bit of one,a little bit of other.



Yeah Aqua sun in first can be very aries, well IMO the same, so how can an aquarius also be just as much that as an aries? One description wont fit alone, the other wont fully describe your personality, but both two together along with many others will

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posted December 14, 2016 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I already did disagree with you, and then you started again.


Prick me with a fork. I am done

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posted December 14, 2016 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I understand your point Ami about dealing with a certain aspect.The person will simply face the desire to do something more than others..brilliant explanation!

Abuse???? (never heard this aspect before) this is a extremelly dangerous ground to talk to,for me at least.I mean I fear this part of astrology because there is too many things involved.

I also think some aspects/placements has multiple layers (too many traits) so is hard to tell exactly which traits applies to them.Then I respectfully disagree with you on this one,I don't see it as a denial,it is just the fact that is unlikely for many to have all that at them same time.How many traits are assigned to one simple moon in taurus?We have a mix of each sun,moon,venus..etc a little bit of one,a little bit of other.




The chart takes me 5 days of deep discussion with the person. At the end of that time, a picture of that person emerges--a blueprint. It is a kind of magical journey. I use my intuition and meditate on the person during those 5 days. I take no other big charts. I take the one question ones, sometimes, if they are not complicated, but ALL my time goes to this one person and this one chart. You can read my testimonials. It is life changing for many people. It is my gift. I don't say that with ego. It just is lol

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posted December 14, 2016 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NS

You seem like a cool dude. I love to hear your Astro insights. We have not shared much in the past.

I come on here to share, talk, make friends etc

I don't come on here to "Prove" I am A, B or C.

If someone does not like me, don't read lol

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posted December 14, 2016 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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NS

About Moon/Saturn

How do you think the trines manifest vs the hard aspects?


sometimes I do not looks too much at the type of angle, but the planets involved. This depending on the planets though. For moon-venus, or venus sun the type of angle seems important. When moon square venus feels different that moon trine venus. but with moon-saturn these energies itself do not blend well, same as mars-neptune even if in trine. I see the aspect manifest similar in both cases in the natal. in Synastry though it feels different a trine saturn to moon than a square. I have experienced both and can give testimony.

of course we all know that theoretically trines are easy and square are hard, but sometimes a square between moon-neptune is not such a big deal as these energies blend well. but mars-neptune no. I would suspect that for a native having the square, may be that they bring the conflicting principle between the planets in a more disruptive way while the trine and sextile perhaps come more easily to consciusness. Like I can manage to integrate the energies at some point in time while the square needs always the conflicting experience to bring that to awareness. this is an speculation with no data to support it though.

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posted December 14, 2016 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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well lol i never found discrepencies, but i was just suggesting you can learn a bit if you not only "give the description" to apply to them, but also "take in their personality" and understand the energy they possess, but you definitely need the description to understand them. hehe, but you can learn from them even more so how it is!

Like when i read the saturn-moon opposition, since i already knew the person, i understood it perfectly what they meant in the description, if i didnt know the person, i wouldnt have been able to "pin down" the words to how the energy has manifisted, i wouldnt have a clue.

But yeah everything should apply, but i was just saying you can also learn a lot by using the person as a tool


Indeed. i agree

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posted December 14, 2016 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You may be saying this, NS. I studied acupuncture and there is the yin and the yang. Mars in yang. Neptune blurs drive, so it is not good. Moon is yin, so it is not so stark an aspect when in hard aspect to Neptune, as is Mars. GREAT point, NS!

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