posted January 06, 2017 01:48 PM            

I still can't post charts so maybe some kind knowflake can do it for me and we can get started.
I got his stats from astro.com.

the first chart is his natal with transits and progressions
let's get to work

posted January 06, 2017 01:55 PM            

Lala, that is a very interesting topic, Trump's diurnal for the 20th. I can't make your links to work, for it asks me to enter the password of my own astro.com account, but if you download the two chart images and then upload them on Imgur, right hand corner of the uploaded image will show you: Share links, and in share links, if you just copy "BBC code" for forums here, it will give us the images.

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posted January 06, 2017 02:16 PM            

DT

EDIT: replaced with his 20th transits

Diurnal

"Synastry" between 20th diurnal and Trump's natal

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posted January 06, 2017 02:37 PM            

Yes, there is a lot of 9th house, it is quite mysterious, I am not that impressed, nothing on his MC? I am surprised, since he is such an MC/10th house.

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posted January 06, 2017 02:47 PM            

With Sun his chart ruler, Moon interception ruler. That's a Bigly

and the Aries Uranis Eris Ceres ASC in diurnal, quite belligerent

Mars rules the diurnal

I am curious about Lalalinda's interpretation now

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posted January 06, 2017 02:58 PM            

Well I had peeked at my upcoming diurnal chart for 8th march - and I don`t want to confuse all of it here, but just showing you, cause when Isaw that chart I nearly fell off my chair, did not expect so much angular action to be honest.

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Anyway back to the Donald, yes IŽd expected more angular action and also a more prominent Mars, as it is ruler of his diurnal ASC, though Mars on the 8th house cusp possibly makes sense, too.

posted January 06, 2017 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Something is huge though, as transits: Mars Chiron Venus Pisces stellium with Saturn/Juno/Pholus in Sag precisely squaring his Sun/NN/Uranus/Moon opposition, it's in the diurnal too, of course

With Sun his chart ruler, Moon interception ruler. That's a Bigly

and the Aries Uranis Eris Ceres ASC in diurnal, quite belligerent

Mars rules the diurnal

I am curious about Lalalinda's interpretation now

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I agree about theSun-Moon thing

posted January 06, 2017 03:04 PM            

Moon looks benevolent in the 7th in that Minor Triangle, like a form of support from the 4th.

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posted January 06, 2017 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I agree about theSun-Moon thing

However Uranus is too far off of ASC, it would denote a different day actually. of course if his birthtime is even just a minute off it might end up exactly on ASC. though maybe the fighting would come BEFORE the official act?

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Ah yes, I see, whatever is more than 1 deg...
It's hard to ignore that big Uranus/Eris in Aries there though

it reminds me of Trump memes made by fans

sorry, can't erase the image in my head...yet

all will be well, in the end

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posted January 06, 2017 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Ah yes, I see, whatever is more than 1 deg...

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Yeah, well I am inclined to expand to 2 degrees, but they are day-charts after all, and there should be finetuning to the exact day, not the week before.

However Aries is a fast rising sign, so as I said even a small error in his birthtime could change things. maybe it does.

And that image?

Or in the unforgettable words of Dr Samuel Becket (who miserably failed this time!):
" Oh boy...!"

posted January 06, 2017 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yeah, well I am inclined to expand to 2 degrees, but they are day-charts after all, and there should be finetuning to the exact day, not the week before.

However Aries is a fast rising sign, so as I said even a small error in his birthtime could change things. maybe it does.

And that image?

Or in the unforgettable words of Dr Samuel Becket (who miserably failed this time!):
" Oh boy...!"

BTW I meant this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0ScMs6_I8s

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Mystery solved! Uranus is the timetravel and the 12th is the team working on it right now

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posted January 06, 2017 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, I thought the main angles were kinda slacking off to be honest.

Well I had peeked at my upcoming diurnal chart for 8th march - and I don`t want to confuse all of it here, but just showing you, cause when Isaw that chart I nearly fell off my chair, did not expect so much angular action to be honest.

Anyway back to the Donald, yes IŽd expected more angular action and also a more prominent Mars, as it is ruler of his diurnal ASC, though Mars on the 8th house cusp possibly makes sense, too.

Actually this chart does make sense to me, IF we use the intermediate housecusps.

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Wow, that's some solar angular action (your chart), and Juno/Saturn/MC, it's like entering a long term partnership or project/plan, so visible and public. Very nice (is there any show involved, with that MC?)

Indeed, such brilliant observation from the beginning, Ceri, Trump's diurnal is a History of Cusps.

It would be interesting to do the same with the USA chart, but there are several ASC versions, the ASC would be hypothetical, more or less (still pays to look at the transits that day). Do American astrologers prefer one of the ASC charts?

EDIT: and thank you for suggesting Sophia Mason, Ceri

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posted January 07, 2017 06:25 AM            

"Wow, that's some solar angular action (your chart), and Juno/Saturn/MC, it's like entering a long term partnership or project/plan, so visible and public. Very nice (is there any show involved, with that MC?)"

Yes, it`s going to be a concert. A larger scale one though, a tribute concert to a writer of lyrics to his 50th birthday.

So I was rather surprised to find those angular action, esp. with putting my natal Sun-Mercury onto the diurnal MC, and of course with Tr Juno-Saturn there it is interesting.
Of course that is one of those longer lasting transits for me this year anyway, Tr Saturn over Sun and Mercury. At lesat for ME it won`t square anything

"Trump's diurnal is a History of Cusps. "
Lol yes, looks like it.

"It would be interesting to do the same with the USA chart, but there are several ASC versions,"
It would be interesting, I agree, but we would have to have a birthtime.

"EDIT: and thank you for suggesting Sophia Mason, Ceri "
she put her "rules" right into the beginnig of the book (and gosh, I really love authors who put down their methodology in a clear way. lol of course I still can branch out from that, but at least I do not have to guess about their method. lol)

1. Only exact orbs between planets or to the diurnal housecusps

2.
- houseposition of diurnal ASC in natal chart
- sign on the diurnal ASC itself
(will of course be valid for about a month)

3.
-ASC ruler in sign and house
- aspects to the ruler

(will also detail your impact on others during that time).

4. Transiting planets
- only noteable if

- one of the planets is ruling the diurnal ASC
- one of the planets is in an angular house in diurnal chart
- one of the planets is aspecting an angular house cusp

(otherwise the aspect will indicate an event related to someone else)

5. ruler changes sign and house
- shift in energy

6. First house aspects
aspect to natal or transiting planets positioned in the diurnal 1st house will creative activity in personal affairs

7. Angular house cusps
aspects to these house cusps or planets therein will promote general activity according to their natal house position.

8. Dormant planets
diurnal charts activate dormant natal and transiting planets. they are timing the longer lasting transits, too.

For example I`am having Tr Pluto opposite my n Saturn.

during the time my diurnal ASC was in Scorpio, that was very much forefront, now with my diurnal ASC in Sagittarius (and Pluto not angular), it seems to take a bit of a backseat (honestly speaking no matter if it was that transit or the Scorpio ASC, or whatever, november was really emotionally a bit exhausting and bleak).

9. Planets in houses
planets in diurnal houses reveal where and what and with whom something is happening, the houses they rule reveal why it is happening and who might be the cause of it.

For example in my november diurnal chart, around the time I made the choice to take a break from LL at least until my diurnal ASC changed, funny I think I came back pretty much down to the day it did change signs!)

so ASC Scorpio, Pluto exactly on 3rd house cusp, opposing natal Saturn on the 9th house cusp of the diurnal.

So Pluto on 3rd house - the change took place in terms of communication, well cutting the same. lol

Why?
Pluto ruling 1st house - because of my personal condition, because of me, a very independent Me-decision. lol

10. Lunations
Diurnal charts for lunations show what to expect from these phases, how they will "work"

11. planets and angular houses
planets in aspect to angular houses or to planets positioned there generally bring matters to immediate attention.

Planets in aspect to housecusps or to planets tat are not angular often concers the affairs of others.

12. Neptune and PIsces
when Neptune conjuoins any housecusps the mater is usually hidden. this factor can cause a delay in action, even with an angular house cusp or when Neptune is aspecting an angular planet.