posted December 31, 2016 09:42 AM            

For this you keep the orbs however to partile ones (1° orb), as anything going beyond that would indicate another day. (some expand the orb to 2°, but I have never see anyone go beyond that, as this would rather point to a day next week or so).

The important and descriptive things are:

° Transiting and natal planets on the angles (within a 1 degree orb of course)

° transiting and natal planets exactly aspecting the diurnal angles

° transiting and natal planets on diurnal Vertex

° chartruler of the diurnal chart (usually the same for about a month) and its exact aspects to other transiting or natal planets

° while the chartruler takes precedence, rulers of IC, MC and DESC might deliver vital information as well, esp. in terms of family and home life, public life and relationship or encounters with other people

° exact aspects the Moon makes, and of course where it is placed.

I remember the first diurnal chart I ever looked up for myself, I was checking cause I felt like utter crap that day, healthwise, I nearly fainted twice during getting up and trying to get dressed, and actually fell twice because I could not keep myself upriht on my feet as I was feeling so weak.

That day I was having

° Chiron on the IC of the diurnal chart exact
with IC on the Mars/Uranus-mp (a known accident midpoint)

° ASC was nearing its course through Pluto (in my natal 12th house)

Pluto on 16 Cap, in partile opposition to my natal Saturn, ruler of my 2nd house
and also square tr Jupiter, ruler of the diurnal 2nd house

° diurnal Vertex was square my natal Pluto

and so on and on.

Well that day really sucked.

Today my diurnal chart looks a bit different:

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(well one surprise already happened. lol)

posted December 31, 2016 03:21 PM            

So...what's today's surprise, can we know? IC-Uranus, tell me it's more than a cooking accident?

I'm going to try mine for today, even though my birth time is not solid.

posted December 31, 2016 03:27 PM            

Looks familiar....

posted December 31, 2016 05:44 PM            

Venus is on the Descendant from 7th house. As you might guess, this means that my diurnal Ascendant is Leo.

Fun fact: Venus is also square my real Descendant.

5th and 7th houses have the most planets so I will most likely spend my day thinking about how I relate to other people either romantically or in general.

posted December 31, 2016 08:35 PM            

Did you have any surprise?

And well I have heard about diurnal charts before, but did not really delve into them before I told you (to be honest I seem to soak up astrological techniques, not sure how that happens, just like I know most horoscopes of family and friends by heart, even down to the degrees usually. I never actually MEMORIZED them, they just get stuck in my mind).

posted January 01, 2017 01:11 PM            

There is a book on Diurnals by Sakoian and Acker which I'm sure is out of print now but if by chance you should find one do yourself a favor and grab it. A must have reference book if Diurnal are your thing too.

Great thread Ceri

posted January 01, 2017 01:16 PM            

Can you teach me how to do them right?
What is your method in analyzing them?

BTW a book by those authors was the very one with which I started learning astrology (when going into more depth than sun signs), so I harbour fond memories of them.

posted January 01, 2017 01:40 PM            

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posted January 01, 2017 01:44 PM            

Yes I had written something and erased it, it was not that important really, but maybe I will rather take that to email.

Also if I understood Lalinda correctly, the diurnal chart MUST be overlaying the natal chart, and the angularity in diurnal itself does not suffice? Might have gotten that wrong though.

Well you do remember the 17th december-event I told you about?

THIS was my diurnal chart and natal chart in comparision back then.

Putting the diurnal charts in the outer ring...(I put in some muses into the charts, because of the theme of the workshop)

Mine that day

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His:

posted January 01, 2017 01:54 PM            

Yes, Uranian issues, but somewhat removed from my life. I just hope I managed to put my friend at ease, for now. Seems they are a collision course, though. Maybe it'll all work out okay.

EDIT: Oh you added charts!!

Am I seeing what I think I'm seeing??

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Also if I understood Lalinda correctly, the diurnal chart MUST be overlaying the natal chart, and the angularity in diurnal itself does not suffice? Might have gotten that wrong though.

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posted January 01, 2017 02:50 PM            

Another explanation why the solar return is so important maybe? Because it also means that the diurnal ASC will cross the natal ASC and hence start a new cycle?

Still I thought it was interesting that at THAT day we would meet up.

And just see? the Diurnal ASC in my chart falling right onto POLYHYMNIA (the muse of sacred song) on the ASC in my natal.

And curiously enough that day the asteroid MUSA was right on the diurnal and my natal DESC.

For him of course the angular conjunctions were almost exact in terms of the ASC, and Tr Polyhymnia and Vertex were on his natal Vertex-Saturn-DESC

Isn`t that funny? for me the emphasis was on Polyhymnia on ASC, for him on the DESC?

posted January 02, 2017 01:50 PM            

Planetary degrees and house cusps, natal and by progression are used to delineate. You'll get the hang of it really quick because as you go it makes more and more sense. Example, if you have a conjunction between planets, you look at the houses ruled by those planets, again both natal and by progression.

Ceri, if you can find that book, grab it, I've never been able to replace it and I have tried, it is an eye opener and surprisingly small. When I get home Friday I'll have a look thru all of my "stuff" and see what I can dig out. I have no doubt you will master this in no time.

posted January 03, 2017 07:27 AM            

I searched but did not find the book anywhere.

"Planetary degrees and house cusps, natal and by progression are used to delineate. "
The intermediate cusps as well? Do you use Placidus for this?
And can we compare the diurnal chart to our progressed chart as well?

Orb would be partile, so 1° at most?

"Example, if you have a conjunction between planets, you look at the houses ruled by those planets, again both natal and by progression."

So as an example - coincidentally something came up. lol

Today in my diurnal chart I have

Moon 10°58 Pisces
Mars 11°13 Pisces
n Jupiter 11°12 Pisces

So where this manifests is in relation to the houses Moon, Mars and Jupiter rule in my natal and progressed chart? But not the diurnal chart itself?

so this means for me

in the natal:

8th house (ruled by Moon)
4th house (ruled by Mars)
1st house (ruled by Jupiter)

in the progressions:

7th house (ruled by Moon)
3rd house (ruled by Mars)
11th and 12th house (ruled by Jupiter)

How could that manifest for example?

posted January 03, 2017 07:28 AM            

yes, for the diurnal chart you take the daily or transit chart for any day of your choice - possibly today - and pick as time your own birthtime and either birthplace or current location.

posted January 03, 2017 09:27 AM            

Celeste Teal has a chapter on diurnals with specific guidelines to follow. I'd post the link but I'm on my tablet and I'm not very good with it.
I will keep checking this thread and contributing where I can.

posted January 03, 2017 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Good morning Ceri, I knew I was forgetting something. The diurnal Asc. And asc. ruler are prime indicators when delineating Diurnals. That is key and I blame Rx Mercury for my blond moment there.

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Haha, I forgot that, too! But i`ve read it as well.

I can only say I feel so much more uplifted - and stronger/ healthier- ever since my diurnal ASC moved into Sag once more.

Of course there is quite a difference between

ASC Scorpio, with Pluto in Capricorn in my natal 2nd house, opposing natal SAturn within one degree.

And now it is

ASC Sag, with Jupiter in Libra in my 10th house, opposing Tr Uranus-Ceres, but of course also opposing my n Chiron, but it`s moving away from that, and it was at the same time square my Vertex and Sun/moon-mp.

Even with Chiron around, it indeed FEEL like having returned to a world of light, literally.

posted January 03, 2017 10:00 AM            

http://www.moonvalleyastrologer.com/diurnals/

posted January 03, 2017 10:07 AM            

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted January 03, 2017 10:08 AM            

can you share some examples of diurnal charts with us? Where they really really fit? and how they did?

posted January 03, 2017 10:11 AM            

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted January 03, 2017 01:08 PM            

Connections from my natal chart to the diurnal:
-Saturn conjunct Diurnal Ascendant - very, very, very tight.
-Venus square Diurnal Sun
-Mars opposite Diurnal Mars

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In my boyfriend's diurnal chart for the same day, there are connections from his natal chart too. All orbs for these aspects are under 1 degree.

His North Node is conjunct Diurnal Ascendant, his Moon squares Diurnal Uranus, and his Venus is square Diurnal Mars. The chart ruler of the diurnal chart is Jupiter, which aspects his natal Venus if you widen the orb to 2 degrees.

One of my favorite things about this diurnal chart is the sign on the descendant. The ruler of his natal descendant is the Moon, and in this diurnal chart, my Gemini Moon would fall into the diurnal 7th house while also being square the IC and Midheaven. My boyfriend's natal Mercury does the same thing to my diurnal chart with the exception of ruling my natal descendant.

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posted January 04, 2017 09:48 AM            

that is very interesting. Thanks.

Also, that natal Saturn - in which house does it fall in your natal and which house does it rule?

posted January 04, 2017 11:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Also, that natal Saturn - in which house does it fall in your natal and which house does it rule?

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