posted February 04, 2017 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by AutumnNight:
My question is how do you tell the difference between 12th house isolation from family being because of long distance vs being in prison/institution?

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What a good question

Psychologically the two are very similar and in the birth-chart, one can interpret the aspect to mean either/or.

One can leave a country out of anger. One can commit a crime out of anger.

One can leave a country because they feel victimized in it, whilst others can be wrongfully convicted and incarcerated.

It will need further research am afraid. But my thinking points to progressions and the aspects they make to the natal and/or the transit.

posted February 04, 2017 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
hi there Aries23! always great to read your comments!

which one of these do you mean during the transits and which ones aspects in the natal? I was wondering

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They all work together really . So you have to look for hit upon hit upon hit.

Compare progressions to natal, natal to transits and progressions to transits.

I didn't move overseas in 2003, but I moved a considerable distance away from home.

The progressed Sun was opposing natal Moon(exact)
Progressed Moon was square natal Sun(exact)
Transiting Saturn opposing natal Jupiter(exact)
Transiting Jupiter square natal Saturn(exact)

posted February 05, 2017 09:33 AM            

i have Sun in Aries,Mars,Venus and Mercury in XII in Aries,

XII house is far away, across the ocean..i am in the sense isolated, as none of my family is here.
so all the 12th house symbols apply

posted February 05, 2017 11:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
They all work together really . So you have to look for hit upon hit upon hit.

Compare progressions to natal, natal to transits and progressions to transits.

I didn't move overseas in 2003, but I moved a considerable distance away from home.

The progressed Sun was opposing natal Moon(exact)
Progressed Moon was square natal Sun(exact)
Transiting Saturn opposing natal Jupiter(exact)
Transiting Jupiter square natal Saturn(exact)

So look for close to exact hits

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many thanks Ari! I'll be remembering these

posted February 05, 2017 04:19 PM            

That actually happened for two years - when I was in college. I am now living in my native land with no prospect for a change of residency.

posted February 07, 2017 10:56 PM            

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Originally posted by GrandFireT:
Apparently having Venus in Sag in the ninth is a strong indicator. It caused more than one astrologer to suggest I would someday be living in a foreign country.

That actually happened for two years - when I was in college. I am now living in my native land with no prospect for a change of residency.

The Norwegian women were soooo beautiful, though. No harm in a little dreaming !!!

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posted February 08, 2017 01:04 AM            

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Originally posted by AutumnNight:
My question is how do you tell the difference between 12th house isolation from family being because of long distance vs being in prison/institution?

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posted February 10, 2017 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
What a good question

Psychologically the two are very similar and in the birth-chart, one can interpret the aspect to mean either/or.

One can leave a country out of anger. One can commit a crime out of anger.

One can leave a country because they feel victimized in it, whilst others can be wrongfully convicted and incarcerated.

It will need further research am afraid. But my thinking points to progressions and the aspects they make to the natal and/or the transit.

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So I will have to check to see through all the progression and transit before I can conclude that.

posted February 10, 2017 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by GrandFireT:
Apparently having Venus in Sag in the ninth is a strong indicator. It caused more than one astrologer to suggest I would someday be living in a foreign country.

That actually happened for two years - when I was in college. I am now living in my native land with no prospect for a change of residency.

The Norwegian women were soooo beautiful, though. No harm in a little dreaming !!!

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So you studied abroad... I could see college tied in with 9th house...9th house is higher education.

posted February 10, 2017 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Sandra018:
i live very far away from where i was born-

i have Sun in Aries,Mars,Venus and Mercury in XII in Aries,

XII house is far away, across the ocean..i am in the sense isolated, as none of my family is here.
so all the 12th house symbols apply

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Thank you for the confirmation.

May I ask how does a venus detriment in 12th house act for you.

Venus would be something like the 1st or 2nd house for you. Also venus might rule 5th or 6th house...if I am assuming correctly.

posted February 10, 2017 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
You can't really tell the difference. That is to say, you could look at a chart where someone has been institutionalized and find placements in the 12th that "explain" it. On the other hand, you could look at another person's chart w/the same placements and find that while they were never institutionalized, they've lived a relatively quiet, private life and maybe worked w/isolated or vulnerable populations. It all depends on the person.

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posted February 10, 2017 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Orienta25:
What about lord of the 9th Pluto house in the 9th house?

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Well I don't use modern planets for house rulership...

But 9th in 9th... I don't really know... it definitely strengthens it more....what other house rules 9th...Pluto rules scorpio...so that would be Mars as well....where is Mars in your chart....Aries and Scorpio has Mars... so where is Aries in your chart?

9th in 9th may tie into just your education (well accomplished)...It can indicate that you like to travel. I am not sure if it indicates permanent residency in a foreign country. There would need to be other indicators from my perspective.

Scorpio is the original rules of 8th house...so 8th house themes may even tie into the 9th house. 8th house deals with transformations... so you may go to foreign countries or do pilgrimages for transformation. 8th house deals with death, loss, other people money, inheritance/wills, debt/taxes, Anxiety/stress.

hope this gives you a tad more idea.

posted February 10, 2017 06:57 PM              

Ugh seems really complicated.

I do have Moon conjuct Uranus
Mars trine Sarurn
Mars trine Jupiter

posted February 10, 2017 07:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Orienta25:
Oh very interesting.
Pluto is in the 9th, Scorpio ruler of 9th.
My Mars is in my 4th house in Cancer, but my Ic is in Gemini.
Also I have Aries on 2nd cusp.

Ugh seems really complicated.

I do have Moon conjuct Uranus
Mars trine Sarurn
Mars trine Jupiter

I really wanna live abroad one day haha.
My professional astrologer told me that I will probably have 2 residences, one abroad but that I will be somehow connected to home bc mars is in 4th house. I dont know how she saw it, but she then said I may meet my husband abroad but he will have the connection to my home land, again bc of mars in 4th.
I really love traveling and I do feel better when I travel.

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9th in 4th (which by traditional ruler Mars is 9th lord)...that can indicate living abroad possibly. If you read this whole thread you might find more indicator in your chart.

Libra I am guessing rules your 8th and Virgo might rule your 7th.

Libra=venus
Virgo=mercury.

posted February 10, 2017 07:33 PM              

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Originally posted by AutumnNight:
9th in 4th (which by traditional ruler Mars is 9th lord)...that can indicate living abroad possibly. If you read this whole thread you might find more indicator in your chart.

Libra I am guessing rules your 8th and Virgo might rule your 7th.

Libra=venus
Virgo=mercury.

I am not a professional astrology....still very much a student. So I wouldn't be able to fully explain why she may have saw that.

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Yes exactly.
Dont know either. I love astrology but it is a comlplex matter.She looked upon my natal chart, progressed, transits and horary. There were like many charts she was looking at and connecting.
Anyway most of she said came true after and I didnt even belive.
Astrology rocks! 😁

posted February 10, 2017 07:54 PM            

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Originally posted by AutumnNight:
So you studied abroad... I could see college tied in with 9th house...9th house is higher education.

Did you study your whole college years in a foreign country or only went for a semester?

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I spent two years abroad, actually working in research for a foreign government. But this all tied together with my graduate studies in the native country, so, yes, it was indeed a ninth house higher education situation.

posted February 10, 2017 08:19 PM            

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Originally posted by GrandFireT:
I spent two years abroad, actually working in research for a foreign government. But this all tied together with my graduate studies, so, yes, it was indeed a ninth house higher education situation.

Interestingly (from the astrology point of view), my other major foreign excursions took place over a period of eight or nine years and eventually unfolded as an unexpected discovery in religion - again a ninth house matter.

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That is very interesting. Sounds like a great experience.

I have my 4th lord/11th lord (both ruled by same planet) and 2nd lord in 9th house.

I so want to live abroad... have my whole life. So be interesting if that ever happens.

I was going to study my high school years in Japan...but maybe a few months later there was that big natural disaster back in like 2007.

posted February 10, 2017 08:26 PM            

However, they were also very demanding, draining, exhausting, stressful, and at times dangerous. There were no short cuts, and never did I regard the journey as a joy ride.

So, if it's high adventure you're looking for, consider that you might possibly have to pay a stiff price.

posted February 10, 2017 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by GrandFireT:
AutumnNight, for the benefit of you and others who find themselves lured to the spice of foreign countries, foreign people, foreign residency, etc, I should add that my ninth house experiences proved to be very rewarding and educational in the long haul.

However, they were also very demanding, draining, exhausting, stressful, and at times dangerous. There were no short cuts, and never did I regard the journey as a joy ride.

So, if it's high adventure you're looking for, consider that you might possibly have to pay a stiff price.

As the cliche goes, your mileage may vary.

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posted January 02, 2020 10:22 PM            

I have Sagittarius ruling my fourth house, with Jupiter in my ninth house, Uranus in fourth house Sagittarius, and strong mutable energy. Also, the asteroid "Mexico" is tightly conjunct my IC in Sagittarius.

posted January 03, 2020 02:16 AM            

I have Sag MC and Sag Pluto in the 9th house, Pluto also rules my 9th house. Pluto also conjuncts my MC