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Topic: Misandry
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Vixen
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posted February 04, 2017 11:32 AM
  
Hello! What aspects and placements do you think women who dislike men may have? Whether in natal or progressed-to-natal or transit-to-natal. I'm mainly asking because lately,for around last three months I've been feeling a little bit of disgust towards masculine energy. like... i love my male relatives (at least the closer ones) and friends, but whenever i'm dealing with random strangers (whether cashiers, officers, teachers or just random strangers) i just tense up for some reason, put up my "wall" and feel little bit disgusted. Basically, for last few months, i'm repelled by men and they are repelled by me (which is strange for someone who has Sirene conjunct ascendant. If i saw that in chart of someone else, i would be like "wow, i bet they don't even have to try to attract others") Some of you may ask if I was traumatized or sexually abused lately. I was sexually molested as a kid, but I've never felt dislike toward men, until now. And it's worrying me a little bit. After all, men are human beings with feelings too  and most of them are probably someone beloved husband, brother, grandpa...I'm wondering if it's my Pluto-Mars opposition on Asc-Desc axis. Or transiting Black Moon on my Ascendant... IP: Logged |
Faith
Knowflake Posts: 21582
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 04, 2017 12:07 PM
^ Both of those make sense.And maybe it has something to do with Donald Trump and the way his Presidency is showcasing just how misogynistic American culture is? Maybe it's a backlash against that... I feel some of that myself. IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul
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Registered: Jul 2016
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posted February 04, 2017 12:41 PM
hello vixen!sorry to about your childhood experiences  do you have a hard natal aspect between mars and saturn or mars and the sun? or any currently in your transits/progressions? IP: Logged |
Selenite
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From: Lyra
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted February 04, 2017 01:32 PM
Hi, I have gone through phases of feeling the same way and for me it wasn't the 'male energy' that put me off, it was (and still is) the sense of entitlement and unfounded superiority, being talked down to, talked over, disrespected physically and emotionally, etc. But this has nothing to do with any absolute truth about men, but with how men are generally raised.. Really anyone can be like that, and many people are, it's just that men tend to be encouraged to be like that, whether directly or indirectly.** Once I learned this and learned how to stand up for myself in ways that were actually helpful and satisfying, I stopped being clouded and noticing every little annoying thing as a 'man' thing, and operated under the expectation that most people are going to suck in general. It made me a lot less angry. As for astrology I have Mars (1st) square Pluto (4th) and BML (10th with BML opposite Pluto), Mars opposite Saturn, and Sirene conjunct Sun.
I think this shows a disdain fro authority to say the least and if men are generally looked to as authoritative, well there you go. --
**EDIT ok I guess this wasn't too clear, I'm not saying that men ARE like that, just that they are encouraged to be like that. So I realized that if a man is like that, it's not because he's a man, but because of society. And when I opened my eyes, I realized that anyone can be like that, it's just that men are often seen that way and so it reinforced a gender bias in myself when the real problem is just HUMANITY
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Venusincap89
Knowflake Posts: 1140
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted February 04, 2017 03:06 PM
What do you guys think of MGTOW movement? It's incredibly popular. In Japan, it's so popular to a point where even the government is being forced to respond to it.IP: Logged |
Venusincap89
Knowflake Posts: 1140
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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posted February 04, 2017 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Selenite:
the sense of entitlement and unfounded superiority, being talked down to, talked over, disrespected physically and emotionally
Basically how I felt about every girls I came across in my life.. the sense of entitlement and the double standard is simply inhuman. Women's lack of empathy towards men really makes me assume that every women are devils
I really wish I could come across a woman who changes this assumption IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 3034
From: a can
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 04, 2017 03:40 PM
our chart is like a chemical reaction and if one little thing is altered it changes all of your connections to yourself and thus all feelings to reality, be it about race attraction; gender identity; preference for romance, it's all in complex energy combinations of how you feel towards yourself and shapes your reflection to reality. just a slight difference might make you like dark colours more, and it might make you feel comfortable around dark skinned people. you might have a combination of being more connected to feminine energy and see the prize of what femininity contains; while some guys (me before) could have been connected to masculine energy and saw females as basically weak. it changes with your progressed chart so one day you may feel more masculine or more feminine, and not discluding having feminine energy and being attracted to masculine; sometimes it is sometimes it isnt. IP: Logged |
Selenite
Knowflake Posts: 1338
From: Lyra
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted February 04, 2017 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
Basically how I felt about every girls I came across in my life.. the sense of entitlement and the double standard is simply inhuman. Women's lack of empathy towards men really makes me assume that every women are devils
I really wish I could come across a woman who changes this assumption
Yeah, I think it's a people thing. Grouping it into gender bias is only going to hurt everyone. We can also just acknowledge that humanity sucks and that it's ok, it's not like we are owed empathy or anything. I hope you do find someone who is good to you, I definitely have, but it hasn't changed my view of humanity as a whole and that's ok. Lol IP: Logged |
Faith
Knowflake Posts: 21582
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 04, 2017 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
What do you guys think of MGTOW movement? It's incredibly popular. In Japan, it's so popular to a point where even the government is being forced to respond to it.
A lot of the videos remind me of the KKK. IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 3034
From: a can
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 04, 2017 04:35 PM
each person has a source for they do, bad people and good people both actions come from a source. in fact neither is right or wrong; all opinions are reactionary and if someone didn't voice their opinion they'd be letting their needs get stomped. it's like many people are breathing fine air but they hate a man who is splashing water on them. in their opinion it is wrong, but actually the man needs that water to breath and thrive; he complains he needs it; they complain he is an idiot; actually both people's opinions and perspectives are based off their own need; that is why conflicts occur and you think you are wrong for not voicing your opinion that is like being wrong that you have a need. the only reason there is conflicts is of differing needs; if you dont voice your opinion then you ignore your own need. that is a misconpetion to think any is inherently good or wrong, all is voicing different needs and sufferings that they bring up. you start to realize the man who has volcano coming towards his house he sees it; does he not voice himself. do the small people in the gutter who needs those bread crumbs on the pavement; do they not go out and get it even though the people in the overworld do not want them to be there, you thought you were wrong because you needed something and should not speak up, you realize people are not doing wrong if they go against the majority, they are voicing their needs, you realize everyone just has their needs; and they might think they are wrong for having them, until you realize that the man with magma coming is not the same as the society; should he ignore his needs; no you learn each person only acts as they do and voices their conflict because their need is a different proactive than society, and you realize all the people around the world are not doing wrong for bringing up conflict; if magma is coming at you (metaphor for the people's trouble) you think they arent supposed to speak up. that is the reason why everyone is causing conflict THEY are the only one's who that stuff is happening to. if they just went along with the society carpet ride their needs would never be addressed. society: do not cause confict
man: but there is lava coming towards my house
society: we have no idea of your needs
man: yes so i go along with what society says i should
society: yes
realize: if that man obeyed society and didn't bring up, and everyone around the world didn't do that no one would know their needs and sufferings
you can't rely on society to bring up the need of that magma; it is only happening to you and thus you will need to bring it up, all conflicts are wrong; there is a good side and bad side; no; all conflicts come from a need IP: Logged |
Venusincap89
Knowflake Posts: 1140
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted February 04, 2017 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
A lot of the videos remind me of the KKK.
How is it anywhere near kkk tho, their only msg is to run away from women. They actually use a lot of scientific statistics to form their argument too. They basically don't make emotional arguments but makes empirically well supported logical arguments IP: Logged |
Faith
Knowflake Posts: 21582
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 04, 2017 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
How is it anywhere near kkk tho, their only msg is to run away from women.
LOL quote:
Originally posted by Venusincap89:
They actually use a lot of scientific statistics to form their argument too. They basically don't make emotional arguments but makes empirically well supported logical arguments
Oh please.  IP: Logged |
Venusincap89
Knowflake Posts: 1140
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted February 04, 2017 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by Selenite:
Yeah, I think it's a people thing. Grouping it into gender bias is only going to hurt everyone. We can also just acknowledge that humanity sucks and that it's ok, it's not like we are owed empathy or anything. I hope you do find someone who is good to you, I definitely have, but it hasn't changed my view of humanity as a whole and that's ok. Lol
I guess its ok for women to bash men, but its immoral for men to say anything about that
In all honesty, I really envy women and I wish I was born a woman. There are so many things that woman can do to a man and not be labelled as a immoral/evil person. (From something as petty as never paying for dates, using men as free dinner or using a man to get another man jealous... to something big as just plain destroying a man's life in the divorce court or via false rape accusations.)
Also, not that women's issues get solved, but western society as a whole makes and shows great efforts to show that they care.
In contrast, anything happens to men, people laugh about it.
In my case, I was beaten mercilessly by my mom in public about 3~5 times and every time, people who were walking by would take their sweet time to cheer for my mom. They were walking by so there was no way that they knew why I was being beaten either IP: Logged |
Venusincap89
Knowflake Posts: 1140
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted February 04, 2017 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Oh please.
I am not denying that some MGTOW videos very immature butcan you at lease please give me an example to how you came to your conclusion please.
I can also share example vidoes of how scientific they get in MGTOW communities here, not that you would watch it but.. yeah
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bonsai
Knowflake Posts: 482
From: another place, another time
Registered: May 2012
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posted February 04, 2017 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
What do you guys think of MGTOW movement? It's incredibly popular. In Japan, it's so popular to a point where even the government is being forced to respond to it.
In Japan, hikikomori is also a worrying trend. Maybe some of them are considered MTGOW. Either way, both are very unhealthy. IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 3034
From: a can
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posted February 04, 2017 04:58 PM
i heard this new age was a feminine age; where women come to power and men are lesser. just like the last age; the men were the powerful leaders and women did what the men said. i am listening to MGTOW explaining itself now, i can relate. a man can break his back for a woman, that woman may only respond when he has money, otherwise ignore him or have no interest. this is unfortunate when this happens, this depends on each person's connection to the other gender, some people are friends with opposite genders; some people are deeply romantically connected; some see good things but do not connect but maybe it is the new thing; where as before women complained men only liked woman for their bodies; maybe the new energy now has men wanting the women to love them for them, just as the men love the woman's personality, yet the woman sees them as an object for benefit of material or security and nothing else- from the male's perspective. which is a deep problem. IP: Logged |
Selenite
Knowflake Posts: 1338
From: Lyra
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted February 04, 2017 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
I guess its ok for women to bash men, but its immoral for men to say anything about that
Who said that was ok? I don't think you read / comprehended my post, or you're not talking to me directly
You literally quoted me saying " It's a people thing. Grouping it into gender bias is only going to hurt everyone." and responded with that ? Anyway, bigotry of any kind is obviously not gonna help you cope with the rest of society.. Only perpetuates the cycle. (And that's what I'm saying, misandry is not gonna help you exist, misogyny is not gonna help you exist, there's no ******* point) IP: Logged |
Venusincap89
Knowflake Posts: 1140
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted February 04, 2017 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by soren:
i am listening to MGTOW explaining itself now, i can relate. a man can break his back for a woman, that woman may only respond when he has money, otherwise ignore him or have no interest. this is unfortunate when this happens, this depends on each person's connection to the other gender, some people are friends with opposite genders; some people are deeply romantically connected; some see good things but do not connect
Soren, if you are a woman, you are the first woman I've ever seen, to actually logically respond to genuine concern that men face. I wish there was more women like you. Before you I didn't think women like you existed but now I know better. (Luaren Southern and Karen Straughan are only ones I know but they could be doing all this for business so I wouldn't know) IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 3034
From: a can
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posted February 04, 2017 05:05 PM
no soren is never used as a female name actually, strictly male. IP: Logged |
Faith
Knowflake Posts: 21582
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 04, 2017 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
I can also share example vidoes of how scientific they get in MGTOW communities here, not that you would watch it but.. yeah
"not that you would watch it" ? On what do you base this assumption? IP: Logged |
Venusincap89
Knowflake Posts: 1140
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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posted February 04, 2017 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
"not that you would watch it" ?On what do you base this assumption?
because u said they remind you of kkk and you rolled your eyes... IP: Logged |
Venusincap89
Knowflake Posts: 1140
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted February 04, 2017 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by soren:
no soren is never used as a female name actually, strictly male.
figures...! HA! IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 18863
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted February 04, 2017 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by soren:
i heard this new age was a feminine age; where women come to power and men are lesser. just like the last age; the men were the powerful leaders and women did what the men said. i am listening to MGTOW explaining itself now, i can relate. a man can break his back for a woman, that woman may only respond when he has money, otherwise ignore him or have no interest. this is unfortunate when this happens, this depends on each person's connection to the other gender, some people are friends with opposite genders; some people are deeply romantically connected; some see good things but do not connect
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. First we need to get to the point when men and women have genuine equal rights/status, around the world. Not there yet. If you doubt it, check "highest paid actor in 2016" and then "highest paid actress in 2016"
You'll stumble onto
The Rock - 64 mil$
Jennifer Lawrence - 46 mil$ Oops.
Imagine what happens for the regular gal/guy or in the so called 3rd world. ...or you could just take the example here: how in the world a misandry thread turned into a misogyny thread so quickly? 
Can't the ladies have a little quiet peaceful moment of misandry? So we're all gonna line up to get the girls in line with the blokes.  before we decide someone has to rule over the other. Vixen, I am sorry for your experience  I think it might be that Black Moon, and I also think it is a positive process, because she helps you purge and heal repressed wounds from the past and frees your femininity for a healthier relationship both with yourself, and others, men and women. ------------------
I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... LeeLoo's Esotericorner IP: Logged |
Venusincap89
Knowflake Posts: 1140
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted February 04, 2017 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by bonsai:
In Japan, hikikomori is also a worrying trend. Maybe some of them are considered MTGOW. Either way, both are very unhealthy.
yeah it's really weird.. mainstream media associates MGTOW with men who are hermits, nerds, etc etc
but in reality there are lots of masculine and economically successful men that consider themselves a MGTOW. Leonardo Dicaprio is one example that I can think of. Obviously he does not declare himself as a MGTOW publicly for his own sake and business, but ever since he came across that nasty model that he dated about i think 5 or 7 years ago, you can definitely see that he came to a conclusion that marriage is impractical for men IP: Logged |
Faith
Knowflake Posts: 21582
From: Bella's Hair Salon
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 04, 2017 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
because u said they remind you of kkk and you rolled your eyes...
No, I'm curious to see what you consider "scientific." Also I said "a lot of the videos remind me of the KKK"...I haven't watched them all, obviously. IP: Logged |
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