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Topic: Can You Tell a Malignant Narcissist From the Chart?
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Ami Anne
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posted February 05, 2017 02:53 PM
  
And Ami, you might be right. And thank you I think there's something called FLEAS that I probably have, though.Yes, I think I have read about this and many of us have this. The Mal Narc has to have certain markers in the chart, I think. If one's parent was one, one may have the effects from it, for sure, but that does not mean one is a Mal Narc, as you said. ------------------
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Sulkyarcher
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posted February 05, 2017 03:11 PM
An evil Sagittarius, like me! We're ruled by Jupiter, which expands our egos!IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted February 05, 2017 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by Selenite:
I think I'm a malignant Narcissist.
Lol but I have a bunch of empathy for others, however I use it to get what I want and tune it out if I need to. This only seems like the practical way to live life, but it fits your description..
Nothing wrong with a little dark humor, sometimes! IP: Logged |
Selenite
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posted February 05, 2017 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Nothing wrong with a little dark humor, sometimes!
Haha is that what it is? My Jupiter conjuncts Pluto and squares Mars so the dark humor is all the time IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted February 05, 2017 04:29 PM
^ ^
As long as you don't go too far! IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted February 05, 2017 05:29 PM
Oh, Ami.  Why do you do this? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 05, 2017 05:56 PM
@SeleniteIf you were a Mal Narc, it would show from your time here--attacking people and blaming other people for it. Don't worry about it  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted February 05, 2017 05:58 PM
I forgot something else in the article, too. They have "supply"--people they fool into liking them. They use those people to try to fool other people. Have to add that lol------------------
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teasel
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posted February 05, 2017 06:02 PM
Oh, damn it. I defended you for years. I defended you again in December, but you happily forget everything if I disagree with you. You also encouraged someone being nasty to me, a couple of years ago, and that was because I disagreed with you. Ami, you need to take some responsibility, too. But I'm out of here. IP: Logged |
aquagembaby
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posted February 05, 2017 06:02 PM
I think an afflicted Moon CAN have a lot to do w/ this though. Ultimately, a narcissist suffers from insecurity which stems from a damaged emotional body. So like a hard aspect between Moon-Saturn would make sense, but only if in combination with other 'narcissist' indicators. It all depends on how the person decides to act out their chart though. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 05, 2017 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by aquagembaby:
I think an afflicted Moon CAN have a lot to do w/ this though. Ultimately, a narcissist suffers from insecurity which stems from a damaged emotional body. So like a hard aspect between Moon-Saturn would make sense, but only if in combination with other 'narcissist' indicators. It all depends on how the person decides to act out their chart though.
The Mal Narc is RARE! I have to repeat that. It is a very small number in the population. Most people will meet a handful in their entire lives. Most people have "stuff"--insecurity, anxiety, anger, sadness, bragging,vanity, selfishness,being annoying etc The Mal Marc is nothing like this "stuff". The Mal Narc seriously DESTROYS other people, so I hope people get that message from this lol ------------------
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teasel
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posted February 05, 2017 06:27 PM
*edited. Never mind. I'm tired of this. Edit again: Sorry, Faith, I hadn't seen your posts. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted February 05, 2017 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
I don't think hard jupiter to venus or moon are scary.I'd look for hard (especially the square) jupiter/saturn, jupiter/mars, jupiter/sun, even jupiter/AC, because jupiter has a dark self-righteous side as well as its cliche jovial image.
I made this list for another thread. Celebrities with sun-Jupiter hard aspects. Opposition: Molly Ringwold, Kirsen Dunst, Uma Thurman, Jenna Marbles, Kevin Costner, Kate Beckinsale, Rosamund Pike, Rachel McAdams, Jennifer Nettles, Dr. Phil, Jerry Springer, Diane Krall, Alice Walker, Elisabeth Shue, Anna Kendrick, Idina Menzel, Kelly Clarkson, Kylie Jenner, Zac Efron, Sting, Morrissey, Ben Bernanke, Melania Trump Square: Dolly Parton, Patrick Swayze, Jennifer Grey, Frank Sinatra, Stanley Kubrick, George Lucas, Ron Howard, Ernest Hemingway, Colin Firth, Emily Blunt, Dakota Johnson, Christopher Hitchens, Giorgio Armani, Harry Styles, Bernie Sanders, JD Rockefeller, Paulo Coelho, Michael Crichton, Astrid Lindgren, Camila Alves, Kevin Bacon, Billie Jean King, Ian Anderson, Hozier, Adam Lambert, Neil Diamond, Paul Simon, Edie Brickell, James Taylor, Heather Graham, Gene Wilder, Chris Rock, Jared Padalecki, Christopher Walken, Jodie Foster, Rosanna Arquette, Gwyneth Paltrow, Ellen Degeneres, Ariana Grande, Jon Stewart, Nicholas Cage, Sylvester Stallone, Paramahansa Yogananda, Ram Dass, Napolean Hill, Howie Mandel, Jennie Garth, Aishwarya Rai, Kate Hudson, Sigourney Weaver, Andy Warhol, FDR, Alanis Morrisette, Erykah Badyu, Sara Bareillis, Gore Vidal, Dita Von Teese
http://astro-charts.com/persons/aspect/ IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted February 05, 2017 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
You know that you're attacking someone here, and it's wrong, and biased.
Weird that she cannot even directly name the person  It's more like a scavenger hunt! "Ok kids, find the Mal Narc on our forum Hint #1: Afflicted water personal planet
Hint #2: Afflicted Jupiter Didya get it yet? Hint #3: Has friends anyway. You know who I mean?  " IP: Logged |
Elysia
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posted February 05, 2017 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Weird that she cannot even directly name the person It's more like a scavenger hunt! "Ok kids, find the Mal Narc on our forum Hint #1: Afflicted water personal planet
Hint #2: Afflicted Jupiter Didya get it yet? Hint #3: Has friends anyway. You know who I mean? "
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Faith
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posted February 05, 2017 09:38 PM
hehehehe"Typically the Mal Narc will not even be responsive when you try and present them with material about what a Mal Narc is. They won't recognize themselves in the descriptions at all. They might even laugh it off as if it's nothing. That's how you know for certain they have zero empathy for anyone, about anything." IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted February 05, 2017 09:59 PM
Oh I should clarify Elysia isn't the Mal Narc.I figure everyone knows who it is, but nobody is allowed to actually say it, or else it will be denied. Ami will say "No, this is strictly objective research," and people will believe that and a fight will ensue over her intentions, whether they were malicious towards someone in particular or not. I do want to say this is the height of impropriety, to publicly brand someone with a mental diagnosis and encourage people to adopt that view. IP: Logged |
Elysia
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posted February 05, 2017 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Oh I should clarify Elysia isn't the Mal Narc.
Oh geez. That's okay!  quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
I do want to say this is the height of impropriety, to publicly brand someone with a mental diagnosis and encourage people to adopt that view.
^ This, above all. 
But I'm sure Ami knows that - since she's a counselor, apparently?  I'm sure she knows that half-baked analyses about "indicators" of serious mental disorders are potentially scarring and dangerous. That they should definitely involve more than a few poorly structured paragraphs on an online forum (that isn't even a medical one). Oh wait..  IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted February 05, 2017 10:25 PM
Thanks, Elysia.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted February 06, 2017 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by Elysia:
I'm sure she knows that half-baked analyses about "indicators" of serious mental disorders are potentially scarring and dangerous.
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bonsai
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posted February 06, 2017 04:09 AM
Oh that's right I remember your list, Faith. It's a good list. If only Ami could put that kind of research into her work. She seems to do more cherrypicking of "data".IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted February 06, 2017 08:23 AM
Forgot something lol
8. The Malignant Narcissist will engineer situations in which the Mal Narc provokes others. When others respond with anger, the Mal Narc blames them for their reaction. Hence, if one needs to deal with a Mal Narc( and one, usually, will have to deal with one, at some point in life) NEVER give them any ammunition with which to turn the tables, such as blaming someone else for "threatening" them. Give them no reason to blame you, so all the blame can, rightfully, be on them, where it belongs.
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Faith
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From: Bella's Hair Salon
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posted February 06, 2017 08:38 AM
This thread is whacked out. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted February 06, 2017 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by bonsai:
Oh that's right I remember your list, Faith. It's a good list. If only Ami could put that kind of research into her work. She seems to do more cherrypicking of "data".
I think new astrologers don't even realize how much truth there is in natal charts. So they don't have the same level of respect for meticulous research. As I've progressed in learning, I've been more and more interested in seeing actual charts of people who exhibit certain tendencies. I'm very curious to know if there really ARE patterns. With sun square Jupiter, which I have, the pattern does not seem to be that these people are malicious and dark, as alleged here. Just glancing over the list, I see many people who are well-liked for their ebullient sense of humor or epic-sized imagination (George Lucas/ Star Wars.) Traditionally this aspect is associated with a simple tendency towards excess. That CAN be sublimated in brilliant ways, and I strongly disagree that it impinges on the native's conscience, especially when that is Ami's trademark idea, and she's never supplied any research to prove it out. Not everyone's conscience is the product of religious indoctrination (Jupiter/religion). Therefore if one's indoctrination is at odds with one's core self (sun), it may just show an eventual rejection of whatever belief system the person was raised in. In my case, it's Catholicism, and there is a clean break. Admittedly I have some grievances surrounding my religious upbringing, represented in the square. But that doesn't obliterate my conscience. If anything I suffer from an over-reactive guilt complex, as a product of my upbringing. That is the negative manifestation of the square in my case, not sociopathic tendencies. I think it's a good idea, if we want to understand an aspect, to have an open discussion with the people who have that aspect, rather than dictating to them who they really are inside, what they are hiding from themselves, and so on. That is really beyond the scope of astrology and inappropriate in all purely social situations, in my opinion. IP: Logged |
Astra
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posted February 06, 2017 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Forgot something lol
8. The Malignant Narcissist will engineer situations in which the Mal Narc provokes others. When others respond with anger, the Mal Narc blames them for their reaction. Hence, if one needs to deal with a Mal Narc( and one, usually, will have to deal with one, at some point in life) NEVER give them any ammunition with which to turn the tables, such as blaming someone else for "threatening" them. Give them no reason to blame you, so all the blame can, rightfully, be on them, where it belongs.
This describes my stepfather perfectly. It's been a while since I've seen his chart, but he is a Pisces sun, Cancer moon and Scorpio rising. He is completely lacking in empathy and is more selfish than even a 2 year old. IP: Logged | |
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