posted May 16, 2017 06:40 AM            

Saturn in Capricorn Conj Ascendant Capricorn

Pluto in Scorpio Conj Sun in Scorpio

posted May 16, 2017 07:48 AM            

i'm cap first then pluto second

i have no problems being emotional or vulnerable so i don't have a problem with relationships/friendships with people. I'm popular and have friends and guys don't have a problem coming up to me.

what i will say about this though - life gets better when you learn to keep that steel on the inside. have it as the weight to know you can handle yourself. i do that so i get called sweet and get cuddled alot

i will also say though that everyone speaks to me very respectfully, when guys hit on me they'll open the door, act like gentlemen and just be really old - fashioned with me. I've never dealt with sexual harassment or catcalling or rude people. people, male or female, young or old, come to me correct.

Don't know why scary is associated with Saturn or Pluto. like it's not?

posted May 16, 2017 08:20 AM            

I associate it with fear because they are malefic planets, I am very plutonian and as it is known has aggressive characteristics, self-destructive as well as positive, but added saturn that gives that characteristic of coldness and seriousness .. which I do not say that this person Be bad, but angry can become very intimidating.

It's a point of view, I did not do the post to see the negative, I would love to know how good I can also get out of this combination.

posted May 16, 2017 09:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Franco:

Hey sara, thanks for your reply!

I associate it with fear because they are malefic planets, I am very plutonian and as it is known has aggressive characteristics, self-destructive as well as positive, but added saturn that gives that characteristic of coldness and seriousness .. which I do not say that this person Be bad, but angry can become very intimidating.

It's a point of view, I did not do the post to see the negative, I would love to know how good I can also get out of this combination.

Thanks again!

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no such thing as malefic. i don't allow myself to live in a culture of fear. for what?
it's just energy

you choose to do with it was you please. if you get a kick out of the dark side of it all then go ahead but i'm not about that kind of life.

Self-destructive for what? that's stupid, nothing romantically tragic about it.

pluto is transformation and taking whatever comes your way and making something good out of it. the baby phoenix rising from the ashes. lemonade from lemons. ingenuity and genius are here. there's nothing scary about it.

Saturn is the kind grandfather. listen to your elders and you're fine.

'a wise man learns from other's mistakes and a fool learns from his own'

you hear that thing in the back of your head to go check your bank balance? just go do it. don't wait till you're in the red. work hard like a hell when you're young for a few years so when you're older you can spend decades resting and have siestas on a beach. that's saturn. don't know why everyone gives it **** . it's life 101: common sense, you reap what you sow, plan a head, have a backup plan. thats it. nothing special about it.

i don't know who you're hanging out with but i don't keep negative people like that around me. we're all warm hearted sunny and kind over here on my end!

i hope you find the good and the sunshine and positivity around you. don't listen to people's negative **** about pluto or saturn. actually don't hang around negativity at all. common sense and positivity is what you need.

posted May 17, 2017 02:01 AM            

My Libra stellium, along with many of my Sag placements, are on the Scorpio cusp (and I have Scorpio Jupiter).

Many have thought me scary or intense, but I don't find it so. To those I did become dangerous to, it was often because they treated me as a threat so that I became one as they were then threatening me. And there are others who did not see me as a threat at all. Many have seen me in unrealistic ways, whether it was flattering or paranoid.

Generally speaking, Pluto with Saturn indicates restrictions (sometimes downright abuse) until an inner transformation occurs. In my case, that happened when I was 15 (and Pluto was transiting my Sag stellium), in which I rose from my own ashes like a phoenix. People found me especially disturbing then as I realized that the power that others claimed came from elsewhere (God, the state, etc) was actually all in myself, and the same power resided in others. This is actually a scary and burdensome realization for many people, but for me it was liberating.

An important lesson I learned in my early 20s was to let go of "shoulds." ("I should" and "People should" and "Life should.") Once I did that, life became much better for me. This isn't to say I became a passive "go with the flow" type, but closer to that Serenity prayer ("God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference"). There is a time to go with the flow, and a time to sail against the current, a time to be a gentle breeze and a time to be forceful gale, and most important, to focus my need for control on myself than everyone else around me.

posted May 17, 2017 02:08 PM            

Sun Opposition Pluto - orb of 6
Pluto Conjunct Ascendant - orb of 6

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Actually, the worst period of my life came from Neptune, not Saturn or Pluto, and that was only because I kept watching Saturn for when it would pass my Ascendant instead of paying attention to what Neptune was doing. At the time I was checking on Saturn, Neptune was approaching my IC. I fully expected something awful to happen since Saturn was going through my 1st house and I actually happened to miss the date it passed my Ascendant due to the effects Neptune had on me when it was opposing my Midheaven. Maybe something bad did happen when Saturn passed my Ascendant, but it wasn't as awful as I thought it would be. Neptune, on the other hand, played a role in me rectifying my chart. A lot of damage could have been avoided if I didn't judge Saturn for its reputation though. Regardless, I think both Saturn and Pluto are blamed for a lot more than they should be.

Saturn through my 1st house hasn't been the easiest thing to deal with. This doesn't mean I haven't experienced benefits from it. While not always pleasant, my identity is more clear to me now, and before Saturn entered my 1st house, I was having an existential crisis regarding who I am as a person.

Pluto is going through my 2nd house right now. I'm not quite clear how I'm experiencing this one. Negative stuff tends to grab my attention faster so I'm guessing Pluto is having a positive effect on my 2nd house experiences, not to say that I haven't struggled financially in recent years but I am at least doing something about it at this point.

Simply put, I usually don't see Saturn and Pluto as malefic planets. Sometimes, what happens is difficult and I'll admit that I do have my emotional blind spots. In other words, there are a few cases I can think of that would really trigger a downhill spiral for me. Usually, however, I benefit from tough transits in the end.

Meanwhile, it's also possible that I've just never experienced crippling pain from transits related to these two. Pluto is going to square my Venus at some point during my life, which could potentially destroy me and my sense of hope, but my boyfriend has a Pluto-Venus opposition before my square. If my relationship with him ends at that point, the Pluto-Venus square might bring in someone new, though I'll be almost unbelievably picky with whoever I do choose to date next if this ever does happen. Our relationship survived his Pluto-Moon transit so I'm not sure how Pluto is going to manifest when Pluto touches his Venus. I'm somewhat expecting the transit to be surprisingly positive, especially if my boyfriend and I are still together after Uranus conjuncts my Venus.

So, while I don't tend to see Saturn and Pluto as malefic, I admit this may just be a result of what I've experienced from them so far. Of course, I'm very sensitive to whatever touches my Venus and I'm not going to be sure about my true opinion concerning these planets until after my Pluto-Venus square is over. If my relationship survives through my Pluto-Venus square, I expect my opinion of Saturn and Pluto will remain roughly the same as it is now: that I tend to benefit from Saturn and Pluto transits no matter how difficult they are at first.

Regarding your question: Unfortunately, I cannot speak about either one, not even by progression. While this post goes into transits, transits are how I've formed my appreciation of Saturn and Pluto as planets. I've been trying to demonstrate that these planets can be beneficial through the transits I've experienced from them. At the very least, my experiences seem to indicate they aren't necessarily terrible.

Pluto has been largely very positive and I feel like it's easier to notice when a planet is being negative, thus I'm unable to talk about Pluto as much. The most notable transit I've experienced from Pluto so far was when it was conjunct my North Node. I met my best friend during this time and she is a Scorpio.

posted May 17, 2017 03:18 PM            

So you have to see saturn and pluto as learning planets, hard maybe .. but they are planets of lessons.

posted May 20, 2017 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Franco:
But how are people with these dominant planets?

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I'm interested in hearing feedback about this though, particularly because of my Sun-Saturn square and with Pluto as my chart ruler.

Saturn is a very serious planet and Pluto is a very transformative planet. Both planets aspect my Sun so it'll be interesting to hear what people say.

posted May 23, 2017 06:18 AM            

I am Pluto and Saturn dominate with Pluto being first and Saturn second.

I think a big theme for me is my fear of losing control. I always have to be in control of myself. Maintain self-control.

I am also a fearful person. I recognize the darkness in myself, in others, in humanity and in this world. This is what makes me fearful. For a long time, even now I am afraid of myself. Not because I am crazy or dangerous but I know that my darkness, actually anyone's darkness can get out of control and do harm.

The funny thing about all of this is I think the Saturn part keeps my Pluto part at bay and vice versa. Traditionally Saturn and Pluto (well Mars) were considered malefic but I really don't believe that a planet is malefic. I also don't believe in fall or detriment.

I would say that karma and incredible responsibility is attached to these planets which makes it heavier and more intense. This doesn't mean bad or negative but these planets come with a lot of lessons because to quote
"with great power comes with great responsibility."

Themes for Pluto/Saturn dominates
Fear of losing control
Self-discipline
General fear
Responsibility
Karmic lessons
The drive & strength to achieve great things or lose great things.

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