posted July 06, 2017 02:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
from astro.com:
In order to generate a 'converse' secondary progressions chart, use negative age with offset from your birth date. In the Extended Chart Selection, select 'progressed chart' and, if you are, for example, born in 1950 and want converse progressions for 2002, the age is 52. Using negative age, you ought to enter the year 1898 as 'start date'

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posted July 10, 2017 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
yes, you are doing it correctly ( for year 1950). So in the chart that astro.com generates for this date, look at the Venus sign and degree that that will be your converse progressed Venus for that age

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Why 1950??? I'm not understanding >.<. So I was born April 22nd, 1992 and am currently 25. Today is July 10th, 2017. If I want to look at the converse progressions for my current age and today's date do I go back 25 days before I was born, which was March 28th, 1992 OR do I go back 25 YEARS before I was born which would be April 22nd, 1967??

posted July 11, 2017 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
sorry, not 1950 for your progressions, that year was in the example I was quoting. You were doing it correct for year 1967. Its years. One degree per year.

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posted July 11, 2017 02:27 AM            

If Secondary Progressions is A-Day-For-A-Year*, why is converse secondary progressions a-year-for-a-year**?

*For every year of life you progress the ephemeris one day.

posted July 11, 2017 02:32 AM            

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Converse Progressions

...Just as in the usual type of progressions one day after birth gives basic clues to the development of the individual person one year after his birth, so in "converse progressions," one day before birth is said to give valid indications to what will happen to the person also when one year old. The two procedures are symmetrical

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posted July 11, 2017 02:47 AM            

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So in my chart if I wanted to see the love life circumstances right now I'd subtract 25 days from my birthday since I'm currently 25 years old?? My natal Venus is at 19 Aries and my progressed Venus is currently at 20 Taurus, so if I subtract 25 from that I get 25 Aries; does that mean my converse progressed Venus is at 25 Aries???

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No.

Assuming Venus isn't retrograde...

nVenus 19° Aries. At age 25, pVenus 20° Taurus. Converse Progress would be 17° Pisces.

20° Taurus (PROGRESSED Venus at age 25)
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24° Aries
23° Aries
22° Aries
21° Aries
20° Aries (PROGRESSED Venus at age 1)

19° Aries (Birth)

18° Aries (CONVERSE progressed Venus at age 1)
17° Aries
16° Aries
15° Aries
14° Aries (CONVERSE progressed Venus at age 5)
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17° Pisces (CONVERSE PROGRESSED Venus at age 25)

posted July 11, 2017 03:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
No.

Assuming Venus isn't retrograde...

nVenus 19° Aries. At age 25, pVenus 20° Taurus. Converse Progress would be 17° Pisces.

20° Taurus (PROGRESSED Venus at age 25)
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24° Aries
23° Aries
22° Aries
21° Aries
20° Aries (PROGRESSED Venus at age 1)

[b]19° Aries (Birth)

18° Aries (CONVERSE progressed Venus at age 1)
17° Aries
16° Aries
15° Aries
14° Aries (CONVERSE progressed Venus at age 5)
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17° Pisces (CONVERSE PROGRESSED Venus at age 25)

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posted July 11, 2017 07:58 AM            

What I was saying is you keep your birthday as it is but the start day for the progression you want , in your case 25 years, is the subtraction of your birth year and 25 ( negative instead of forward) ...

What you and Nine are doing is finding the actual calendar day of the progression and constructing a new separate chart with a birth date 25 days before your birthdate. ..which is correct but not precise and I just leave it to astro.com to calculate it.

astro.com simply delineates a progressed chart from your chart just like when you do a normal progressed chart. For normal progressed, you put up your birth data and choose Progressed chart , give it a todays Date as a start date (25 years after your birth ) and it generates it.
Same with Converse progressed. You put up your birth chart, click Progressed chart , and instead of today's date for start date , you put the date 25 years before your birth date instead if today's date which is 25 years after your birthday.

posted July 14, 2017 08:36 PM            

The entire idea of progressions is that we project transits we've already experienced onto our future months and years by way of the earth-based metaphor of day-for-a-year. Regressing to a time before you were born is just silly. You didn't experience those transits. Therefore they cannot be your progressions. The birth horoscope is marks the imprint upon your life of astrological influences. Searching outside that imprint's natural sequences is a waste of time.

It's another example of astrologers spending too much time twirling charts around instead of studying the sky. The sky never turns backward. This method could just as easily be termed 'perverse directions.'

posted July 14, 2017 09:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
No, it isn't. It's a waste of time in addition to being confusing.

The entire idea of progressions is that we project transits we've already experienced onto our future months and years by way of the earth-based metaphor of day-for-a-year. Regressing to a time before you were born is just silly. You didn't experience those transits. Therefore they cannot be your progressions. The birth horoscope is marks the imprint upon your life of astrological influences. Searching outside that imprint's natural sequences is a waste of time.

It's another example of astrologers spending too much time twirling charts around instead of studying the sky. The sky never turns backward. This method could just as easily be termed 'perverse directions.'

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posted July 14, 2017 10:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
No, it isn't. It's a waste of time in addition to being confusing.

The entire idea of progressions is that we project transits we've already experienced onto our future months and years by way of the earth-based metaphor of day-for-a-year. Regressing to a time before you were born is just silly. You didn't experience those transits. Therefore they cannot be your progressions. The birth horoscope is marks the imprint upon your life of astrological influences. Searching outside that imprint's natural sequences is a waste of time.

It's another example of astrologers spending too much time twirling charts around instead of studying the sky. The sky never turns backward. This method could just as easily be termed 'perverse directions.'

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posted July 15, 2017 12:44 AM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
So do you only work with the basics like transits and solar returns?

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As far as predictive tools go, I use transits and secondary progressions minus the calculated points, which are a symbolic fiction. Those are termed 'true progressions' or 'quotidian progressions.'

There's no doubt that some hefty names in modern astrology have used converse progressions, but the intelligence capacity to think symbolically does not render all symbolisms true or real.

As to your birth chart and rectification/validation, thank you for your request. I'll read it and get back to you.

posted July 15, 2017 01:46 PM            

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Is the converse progression more accurate or "better" than the forward progression? Seems confusing to me

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I haven't researched it completely but the picture that's emerging suggests converse progressions provides a "hidden background" into the people we meet. In a way it helps us deal with past relationships, karma, and things that haven't been resolved.

The branch of astrology where this is most apparent to me has been pSynastry.

Eg. You meet somebody born November 21 with a progressed chart dated December 13th. You interact with 'em, hang out, party until life take you in different directions.

Years later you're living a different life in a new world when you meet somebody born December 13th. Once you look at their converse progressed chart you realize it has regressed back to November 21st.

posted November 03, 2018 06:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
I haven't researched it completely but the picture that's emerging suggests converse progressions provides a "hidden background" into the people we meet. In a way it helps us deal with past relationships, karma, and things that haven't been resolved.

The branch of astrology where this is most apparent to me has been pSynastry.

Eg. You meet somebody born November 21 with a progressed chart dated December 13th. You interact with 'em, hang out, party until life take you in different directions.

Years later you're living a different life in a new world when you meet somebody born December 13th. Once you look at their converse progressed chart you realize it has regressed back to November 21st.

^^This, in synastry, has been the only real way I've seen converse progressions work. Although I haven't research the subject completely.

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posted November 03, 2018 11:57 AM            

Nature has backward (apparent) motion. It is called Retrograde motion -- when it happens from geocentric perspective.

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