posted July 07, 2017 02:45 PM            

I've been reading about these 2 aspects but most of the things are about manipulative mother and hard childhood! IMO Scorpio can't be always that bad! Aren't there Scorpionic moms that can be fierce and protective but not manipulative or controlling??

My own chart do have some Scorpionic stuffs like a stellium in the 8th house but I've always imagined myself as a supportive mom.

posted July 07, 2017 04:45 PM            

A lot of the time these lunar matters don't get activated until puberty and it may be totally out of your hands at that point. Consider that he may have his own issues (previous to incarnating) and your love and acceptance of him includes those things even if you don't know what they are.

Besides, most Asc (and cusp) figures are not that accurate. I know plenty of people with Moon in Scorpio, my sister for example who has Moon also parallel Jupiter. Look for the good. Worrying about his placements only increases the chances of you injecting that as fretful or controlling dynamics with him.

posted July 07, 2017 06:59 PM            

Personally my mom wasn't exactly Scorpionic but definitely protective. To the point of paranoia (but that could be her 12th House placements).

My childhood wasn't easy but it wasn't bad either. I wasn't abused. It was for the most part stable. I would say beware of putting your child in situations that aren't healthy

Scorpionic/Plutonian energy internalizes a lot of such, including f'ed up habits and mentalities that is hard to get rid of/rise above from.

I am not a parent but here is some advice from my own experiences as a child.

Be honest and open.
Definitely be protective but also trusting
Do not try to shame your child

Mostly importantly work on yourself. IF you have fears, hang-ups, ignorance, and hate/angry/sadness address them, pay attention. Children are perceptive and pick up on the BS.

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posted July 13, 2017 10:44 AM            

Both speak of early home life experience from a subjective point of view.

In water signs, the childhood experience is the most subjective and instinctively recalled.

Water moons-no matter how "ideal" the childhood. Will come out with scars. It is what it is.

If however the Asc is in Air/Earth, there is more detachment to it and moving upwards and onwards from it.

When the Asc is in fire/water,the experiences remain fresh in memory.

Water Asc internalizes and doesn't forget. Fire signs use it to create an ideal but they also don't forget as the revert back to it as a basis of "i never want to ever experience that again".

Now things get even deeper and etched in the subconscious when Pluto/Mars aspects the moon.

The memories are ones of anger/outrage. Feeling victimized or angry at those who were supposed to love/protect and didn't

Pluto on the Ic speaks of the nature of the father and also of the possible changes in the early home life or atmosphere they grew up under.

My sister has Pluto on the Ic and her childhood experiences are things she regurgitates often. She talks of outrage and victimization by both parents often.

The father however is the one whom is especially disliked. Her Asc is in Cancer (water) and Moon conjunct. She doesn't forget and remembers everything.

Pluto on the Ic speaks of tension, hostility,death ,secrets,massive upheavals/changes in the homelife etc. Its a definite before/after effect that has an effect on the native like a change of residences or even schooling.

The solar arc progressions of Pluto/Angle points will tell you the year where the before/after may occur(if the birth data is accurate)

In my case, Pluto is in the 7th house. The solar arc progression of the Ic/Mc axis arced to conjunct natal Pluto at the age of 9.

My country is infamous for its apartheid legacy. What made that event significant was that it was the first time i came into full contact with white people,shared a classroom with them, taught by white teachers. It was indeed a substantial change to what i was used to.

Solar Arc Ac/Dsc arced to oppose/conjunct natal Pluto at age 11. That is the year i had my car accident and my youngest sister was born.

It was significant because add to my sister being born later that year, i was in hospital for a long while and had to undergo physiotherapy and learn to use my left hand again.

Solar Arc Moon arced to square natal Pluto at age 13. We moved to a new neighbourhood that forced me to leave all my childhood attachments behind. It was quite an adjustment(Moon is also the ruler of the Ic)

posted July 19, 2017 12:35 AM            

Forgot to mention but I spent most of my life with a long term Pluto transiting my 4th house. So technically my home-life/background was Plutonic.

As mentioned before my childhood wasn't easy but it wasn't bad either. I wasn't abused. It was for the most part stable. Both parents were protective and for the most part I felt safe. I love and admire both parents.

I was put in situations that aren't/weren't healthy but I won't put most of the blame on my parents but my environment/extended family.

I didn't experience a lot of death or moved around a lot. I would say that there was power struggles, tension and possibly secrets but I chalk that up to my parents being protective.

I don't have a water ascendant, my ascendant is in fire.

Overall I honestly think it depends on the individual, country and age.

I past through a period of my life where I used to be angry/resentful with my parents/upbringing and victimized myself. I'm mostly past it but I got a Scorpio moon/Sun in the 8th/Pisces Venus, so technically I don't think I will ever be past it.

posted July 20, 2017 02:09 AM            

What degree is the Ic and Pluto? This is not my theory btw,Noel Tyl spoke of Solar Arc progressions to angles as significant.

One degree equals one year of life. So if the Ic is in 0 Deg Scorpio and Pluto at 4 Degrees of Scorpio, solar arc Ic would progress to conjunct Pluto at age 4.

posted July 20, 2017 08:15 AM            

Saturn also squares my IC.

My father is very controlling, manipulative, and condescending. He doesn't really respect anyone.

As far as my childhood, ehhh.

What can I say?

It was a mixed bag at best. 50/50 in terms of hardship/ happiness.

I moved around a lot and suffered from very low self-esteem but after about 6th grade, things changed dramatically for the better. My teenage years were pretty cool although there were some rough areas there too but nothing out of the norm. Just heartbreaks and body image issues (normal for any teen).

Now that I'm reaching mid 20s.. I'm living in hell again because I'm living with my father again (long story).

Point is, my father isn't a very honorable or righteous man although he's the main one preaching about these things. A hypocrite at best.

Scorpio on the IC is very intense, transformative, and dark. You cannot escape the darkness. It will come at some point. I experienced my darkest moments in elementary school only because I was still a newborn in terms of my spiritual and emotional growth but as I got older, I started recognizing and becoming familiar with the darkness whenever it came. Although it hurt like crap, I still went through it with an open mind an heart.

**One thing I learned growing up is no matter how good of a parent you THINK you are, you can't control how your children view you.**

This is why siblings who grow up in the same household will give you different versions of how their relationship with their parents went. Perception is everything.

posted July 21, 2017 07:39 AM            

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posted July 21, 2017 07:54 AM            

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**One thing I learned growing up is no matter how good of a parent you THINK you are, you can't control how your children view you.**

This is why siblings who grow up in the same household will give you different versions of how their relationship with their parents went. Perception is everything.

& this is not say you aren't going to be the best mom you can be but you have to remember even your children have a love language. Yours just might not fit despite you being his mother. Don't fret too much about it. With a moon like that, there will be a deep love for you regardless. Your child just might not always agree wit how you do things and that's okay.

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This is so true. Thank you for the encouragement.

posted July 25, 2017 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:

**One thing I learned growing up is no matter how good of a parent you THINK you are, you can't control how your children view you.**

This is why siblings who grow up in the same household will give you different versions of how their relationship with their parents went. Perception is everything.

& this is not say you aren't going to be the best mom you can be but you have to remember even your children have a love language. Yours just might not fit despite you being his mother. Don't fret too much about it. With a moon like that, there will be a deep love for you regardless. Your child just might not always agree wit how you do things and that's okay.

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Not just perception, but also time. Time is everything. Siblings who grow up in the same household will give you different versions of how their relationship with their parents went also based on time too.

If you're the oldest and have younger siblings then you see your parent (s) in a younger version of themselves. Not always but with age comes wisdom (or stubborness).