posted August 14, 2017 12:22 AM            

All those who kill many times
were born from mothers
and in skin
bundles of need.
They all came naked
clotheless, defenseless
hopeful souls surely.

Where did it go wrong
and how
and who is at fault?
The stars did not move
the Earth did as usual
and the planets a bit.

The karma wheel turned
caught some in her spokes.
The seethers, abused, abusers
who are better with vows and
doing one good thing a day.
Who, like Brent Brents
could wish to do
one good thing before dying.

posted August 14, 2017 09:18 AM            

Yet I can also see them being ones to "kill" in other senses of the word...mentally, emotionally, spiritually, etc.

If someone were to scorn them (particularly someone they let "in" as in a spouse) and that person were to divorce them let's say, they would use every manipulative tactic in the book to drive that person insane and push them to their breaking point. Death of the soul.

posted August 14, 2017 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by llewsacm:
Mutable sun signs have a more significant role in regards to serial murders. The only Scorpio I know of is Charles Manson, and he was not a serial killer. He got someone else to do his dirty work.

Nice poem kannon

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Can you please share where you read this or got this information that supports serial killers are a mutable sign thing?! I cannot find anything that supports this.

Thanks.

This is some of the data I came across that supports more serial killers are born in November:

"November

Seventeen serial killers were born in November, compared with an average of nine for other months, out of a total of more than 100 in the study.

Those born in November are most likely to believe they get a raw deal. A 2005 study found that they grow up to be the most pessimistic.

posted August 14, 2017 12:34 PM            

Jeffrey Dahmer
Mary Bell
Kenneth Vianchi
Andras Pandy
David Berkowitz
Richard Chase
Arthur Shawcross
Danny Rolling

Virgo:

Richard Beigenwald
Terry Blair
Andrew Cunanan
Ed Gein
Dean Carter
Henry Lee Lucas
Albert DeSalvo
Gerald Stano
Paul Bernardo

Sagittarius:

Ted Bundy
Timothy Wayne Krajcir
George Chapman

Pisces:

John Wayne Gacy
Richard Ramirez
Randy Kraft
Charles Cullen
Leslie Bailey
Aileen Wuornos
Otis Toole

posted August 14, 2017 05:38 PM            

https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/astrology-and-crime/serial-killer-mutables-4620224/

Or we can start bringing in natal charts and maybe compare? Not and FBI list but it can be Lindaland list.

I will try to find the link I was talking about earlier but basically, it said that mutables have harder time than cardinals or fixed folks.

posted August 14, 2017 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by llewsacm:
check out a study that was done by Jan Ruis back in 2006. We're just talking sun signs here, but you can see the whole study with the other luminary and planet data used.

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Now that is what I am talking about! Thanks. http://www.nvwoa.nl/pdfart/ruis/ruisen.pdf

In the research it states:

1. Emphasis on the Mutable signs, especially the Moon sign [1].
2. Emphasis on certain aspects of the Moon, such as Moon-Saturn aspects [2].
3. Emphasis on the sign Pisces, the 12th house or Neptune [3].
4. ‘Stress’ aspects of Mars: Mars-Saturn and especially Mars-Neptune [3].
5. Moon-Chiron and Mars-Chiron aspects [4]

It seems this study is more in depth which is even better because is not focusing on Sun signs ONLY like the data I presented. The two studies were conducted differently in regards to how they gathered data and their focus so the findings of one does not negate the other.

This is great stuff though bc is looking at the chart as a whole which I prefer.

I already suspected that an afflicted moon, an afflicted mars plus an afflicted 12th house ruler would increase chances of deviant behavior (like if all are afflicted).

posted August 15, 2017 06:37 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Mutable signs are known for been adaptive and tend to not hold on to anger and hate, preferring to let things go and go with the flow.

Again that is a list of mutable signs who are serial killers. There is a list for every sign of serial killers like the data I presented suggests. That is just a list, without other data from other signs that means nothing, that is not a statistical analysis. You cannot just give me a list like that and for that to be a valid analysis, there is a process and it involves all the signs and there needs to be a good database like the one the FBI has.

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I'm not exactly FBI. And since llewsacm already suggested Jan Ruis, linking you the same thing would't make much sense. And the point of that linked forum was to prove a part of my point. And okay, mutables don't hold on to anger that much but they are not exactly most solid people on Earth.

And this research confirmed what I was talking all along. So it's not Cancer.

posted August 15, 2017 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Tired of data and analyzing. Speaking in poetry ...

All those who kill many times
were born from mothers
and in skin
bundles of need.
They all came naked
clotheless, defenseless
hopeful souls surely.

Where did it go wrong
and how
and who is at fault?.

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Where indeed? But most of them dont think they are "wrong". Many believe themselves to be "wronged" and "misunderstood" etc.

I find it interesting that most are not mean/killers to everyone i e they themselves do have people they love or care about. So the emotions are not completely turned off. And thats what makes it all so shocking to those around them when they are eventually caught.

posted August 15, 2017 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by 9thScorpio:
I'm not exactly FBI. And since llewsacm already suggested Jan Ruis, linking you the same thing would't make much sense. And the point of that linked forum was to prove a part of my point. And okay, mutables don't hold on to anger that much but they are not exactly most solid people on Earth.

And this research confirmed what I was talking all along. So it's not Cancer.

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I am noticing you don't understand me well or don't listen to me well in general.

I said Cancers are known for crimes of passion and that is true and the data from the FBI supports this.

People born in November has more serial killers, this could include Sagittarius too like I mentioned earlier on this thread (this is a different study from the FBI one).

posted August 15, 2017 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by llewsacm:
http://www.snopes.com/fbi-revealed-the-most-dangerous-zodiac-signs/

The FBI study does not exist.

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You know it did feel very stereotypical that information and I wondered about its validity like part of me felt it was fishy so thanks for confirming is fake.

So the cancer thing in connection to crimes of passion is not backed up by real data then if the FBI thing is fake...

The data about November and Serial killers is separate and not connected to the FBI article but also wondered about the validity of that data and how it was gathered. This is were I found it:
http://uber-facts.com/2012/12/11/the-month-your-born-in-affects-your-life-experience/]http://uber-facts.com/2012/12/11/the-month-your-born-in-affects-your-life-experience/

posted August 15, 2017 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You know it did feel very stereotypical that information and I wondered about its validity like part of me felt it was fishy so thanks for confirming is fake.

So the cancer thing in connection to crimes of passion is not backed up by real data then if the FBI thing is fake...

The data about November and Serial killers is separate and not connected to the FBI article but also wondered about the validity of that data and how it was gathered. This is were I found it:
http://uber-facts.com/2012/12/11/the-month-your-born-in-affects-your-life-experience/]htt p://uber-facts.com/2012/12/11/the-month-your-born-in-affects-your-life-experience/]http://uber-facts.com/2012/12/11/the-month-your-born-in-affects-your-life-experience/

Let me know if you find out anything about that being fake...

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posted August 15, 2017 11:17 PM            

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Originally posted by llewsacm:
I think it would be up to the poster to validate data before putting it up. The same information "FBI study" is plastered all over the internet and on different boards where people respond with shock saying they knew their ex was an evil cancer...lol. it's so ridiculous how easily people believe everything that's out there. Just saying, if we want this forum to allow for intelligent data exchange, we should be checking sources, and even then leave it open for debate.

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I think people should always question any post and do their own research, double check sources etc. That is a super important skill to have in this world and it empowers the individual instead of fostering dependence on authority that people learn to follow blindly and not question.

Also any member can point out if data is corrupt at any moment like you did and that is one of the strengths of this platform.

posted August 15, 2017 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by 9thScorpio:

I searched for Jenna Sloan and I've gotten like 50 different social media sites and a singer but i did not get this study. Also, Tumblr had a lot of your birth month reveals this or that posts so maybe we should all take it with a grain of salt until we dig a little deeper? Also, if I came out too strong or offended you in any way, I apologize, it was not my intention but I was searching about this topic minus the FBI facts so I got riled up. I have a let's call it passion for criminal astrology.

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posted August 15, 2017 11:54 PM            

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Originally posted by 9thScorpio:
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Also, and I'm not saying Geminis are superior in intelligence department to any other sign, but they can be sneaky smart and they can avoid law just like that. Now, they can be hit or miss because I also know a Gemini who is extremely violent and is psychopath.

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I use to get speeding tickets on a continues basis by the same police officer.

Every time I would end up talking to the prosecutor months before the trial and get off easy every time.

The cop was always left frustrated...

Geminis are good at it because they can tell what people want/need, how they will react and sometimes how to convince them.

When I say convince, a Gemini could purposely leave for work everyday for the next 20yrs at 6:30am then suddenly break routine with someone still believing that they left at 6:30am that day.

posted August 16, 2017 12:14 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I use to get speeding tickets on a continues basis by the same police officer.

Every time I would end up talking to the prosecutor months before the trial and get off easy every time.

The cop was always left frustrated...

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posted August 16, 2017 06:23 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I respect that and thanks for your participation and input. I love criminology too lol .

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If I'm not mistaken, you are a Virgo too so we live for data and analysis. But hey, now I know who will I tag in a post if I find something interesting about criminology. Did you see research about Pallas?

posted August 16, 2017 06:26 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I use to get speeding tickets on a continues basis by the same police officer.

Every time I would end up talking to the prosecutor months before the trial and get off easy every time.

The cop was always left frustrated...

Geminis are good at it because they can tell what people want/need, how they will react and sometimes how to convince them.

When I say convince, a Gemini could purposely leave for work everyday for the next 20yrs at 6:30am then suddenly break routine with someone still believing that they left at 6:30am that day.

My Planets
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☉ ♊, ☽ ♈, ASC ♑, ☿ ♊, △ ♉, ■ ♋ , ♃ ♒, ♄ ♏, ♅ ♐, ♆ ♑

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