posted September 26, 2017 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Yes but also, they hate being impolite, harsh and unkind. With sun libras this can feel fake to me. With Venus libras it is more genuine, to me atleast.

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But therein lies the hypocrisy and paradox, something I think is Libra's mission to learn and overcome.

Imagine a man or woman, well dressed, elegant, dressed all in black, at a soiree. They're talking to someone, sipping champagne.

The Libra says: "Oh, what a lovely evening, and I really like your shirt."
Their audience (*cough* victim): "Oh, thank you! You're always so charming. You're such a good friend!"

But the cold truth is, the Libra doesn't give a fck about the other person's shirt. They're actually bored and hate soirees. They can lay on compliments without skipping a heart beat, and not mean them one bit. It's all for the effect the lies have.

Surely the [appearance] of harmony and friendship is the real thing!?!
Nope.

Their victim's gratitude feels good to them, and feels good to the person being used, even though its rooted in insincerity on the Libra's part.

Eventually a Libra's BS compounds - I've seen it happen time and time again, until they develop a typical Libra Jekyll and Hyde complex. Then, they LITERALLY do become two-faced.

People start to realize their behavior is just an air, and things crumble around them, and part of the Libra also feels the weight of their false nature.

posted September 26, 2017 11:52 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Oh god my dad has moon in virgo and he is an angel, truly great husband, accommodating, patient, kind, takes great care of my mom and I have never caught him lying.

In esoteric astrology the moon is exalted in virgo.

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posted September 26, 2017 11:59 AM            

Every sign has liers but perhaps their motives change as to why they lie, isolating lying to a libra thing is insulting. I know many wonderful libras with good hearts who are not liers.

posted September 26, 2017 12:06 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Why does it seem like you are taking this topic way too personally? People are talking about their experiences here. Nobody is saying that your dad is any of these things. You experiences obviously differ, and that's fine, but it doesn't detract from another person's experiences.

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Lol exactly, I am also sharing my experience like everyone else, its good to see others opinions. Please dont take me sharing my experience personally lol.

posted September 26, 2017 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Ok libras is not the sign of friendship, they are the sign of relationships. They tend to be loyal as hell to who they get involve with, some libras are good friends too but whom they are involved with will always be a priority. They often are antisocial bc ironically they feel overwhelmed by socializing bc they feel they have to take care of everyone deep down and dont want that much responsibility bc it makes them feel overwhelmed so they distance themselves from others and choose a select few who to get close to, usually the person they are involved with.

Every sign has liers but perhaps their motives change as to why they lie, isolating lying to a libra thing is insulting. I know many wonderful libras with good hearts who are not liers.

Instead of judging them try to understand why they are the way they are.

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This doesn't necessarily have to be insulting. It's more educational, and people talking about their experiences with Libras. And, well, yes, notoriously Libras do tend to lie a lot more than most signs and for very particular reasons.

Every sign has something unpleasant about them. Aries rushes in without thinking, Taurus can be a glutton, Cancer can be moody AF and snippy, Leo's the narcissist, Virgo is the anal retentive nitpicker, Scorpio can be vindictive AF.... And so on and so on. They're generalizations, sure, and other aspects help change the outcome.

We can talk about and analyze these things, can't we? I mean I don't see anything wrong with people mentioning the less palatable aspects of my own personal signs or aspects, whatever they may be.

posted September 26, 2017 12:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
This doesn't necessarily have to be insulting. It's more educational, and people talking about their experiences with Libras. And, well, yes, notoriously Libras do tend to lie a lot more than most signs and for very particular reasons.

Every sign has something unpleasant about them. Aries rushes in without thinking, Taurus can be a glutton, Cancer can be moody AF and snippy, Leo's the narcissist, Virgo is the anal retentive nitpicker, Scorpio can be vindictive AF.... And so on and so on. They're generalizations, sure, and other aspects help change the outcome.

We can talk about and analyze these things, can't we? I mean I don't see anything wrong with people mentioning the less palatable aspects of my own personal signs or aspects, whatever they may be.

We are trying to find out the various reasons why they are the way they are

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Yes you can talk about it ofcourse which leads to discussions and different opinions and people challenging each other which is very healthy abd helps avoid group think.

I dont agree Libras lie more than other signs, perhaps they lie more about superficial things than other signs so they stick out more when they do lie and so are caught more but I would even challenge this bc we dont have data that actually backs this up just isolated personal observations.

posted September 26, 2017 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Lol exactly, I am also sharing my experience like everyone else, its good to see others opinions. Please dont take me sharing my experience personally lol.

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LOL. When the first couple of words in someone's response is "oh my God" it's pretty obvious that they're getting defensive and taking things personally. But whatever.

posted September 26, 2017 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yes you can talk about it ofcourse which leads to discussions and different opinions and people challenging each other which is very healthy abd helps avoid group think.

I dont agree Libras lie more than other signs, perhaps they lie more about superficial things than other signs so they stick out more when they do lie and so are caught more but I would even challenge this bc we dont have data that actually backs this up just isolated personal observations.

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Just like you're using your isolated personal observations to make broad generalizations about the sign? That they don't lie, that they really care, etc. etc.? Those are your experiences but the difference is you're shoving them down the throat of anyone who disagrees with you. I get that you're in a loving relationship with a Libra, but that doesn't make you the end-all be-all expert on Libras or their tendency to lie. There is value and even beauty in other people's experiences and their differences from your own.

posted September 26, 2017 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
LOL. When the first couple of words in someone's response is "oh my God" it's pretty obvious that they're getting defensive and taking things personally. But whatever.

Continue as you wish.

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posted September 26, 2017 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
But therein lies the hypocrisy and paradox, something I think is Libra's mission to learn and overcome.

Imagine a man or woman, well dressed, elegant, dressed all in black, at a soiree. They're talking to someone, sipping champagne.

The Libra says: "Oh, what a lovely evening, and I really like your shirt."
Their audience (*cough* victim): "Oh, thank you! You're always so charming. You're such a good friend!"

But the cold truth is, the Libra doesn't give a fck about the other person's shirt. They're actually bored and hate soirees. They can lay on compliments without skipping a heart beat, and not mean them one bit. It's all for the [b]effect the lies have.

Surely the [appearance] of harmony and friendship is the real thing!?!
Nope.

Their victim's gratitude feels good to them, and feels good to the person being used, even though its rooted in insincerity on the Libra's part.

Eventually a Libra's BS compounds - I've seen it happen time and time again, until they develop a typical Libra Jekyll and Hyde complex. Then, they LITERALLY do become two-faced.

People start to realize their behavior is just an air, and things crumble around them, and part of the Libra also feels the weight of their false nature.

And it is their own perpetual insincerity that does the greatest harm, that is the least polite thing to do, and the very thing they try very hard NOT to do becomes the exact thing that they do, and have been doing all along.[/B]

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Yes I feel you! And this is what I have seen and felt with the air sign gemini too. I have an Aries stellium in 8th house and strong pluto/scorp, I see bs immideately and can't stand it.

Although I believe if the Libra person has strong Capricorn/saturnian energies it will ground them. As with my male friend with Libra Venus. When we make up plans he always sticks to them (mars in Capri).

posted September 26, 2017 02:35 PM            

Libras tend to make people gravitate to them and people want to tell them their problems and they dont get why bc in their head they just want to be left alone and dont understand what they are putting off that makes them so inviting lol...

posted September 26, 2017 03:21 PM            

Hypatia, I have been on the receiving end of what you are talking about. A Libra Sun in a relationship gives their all to the person they are with. To the point that it can be a detriment to friends and family.

Example: the same libra this post originated about..

He had plans to drive back to his hometown to see his family, about a 250 mile trip. He had been asking me all week to come with him and I had been declining. The day of his departure came and he asked me a thousand more times to come with him, and I told him to go without me. He had to leave by a certain time to get there when he had told them he would be. He left. And about 45 minutes later I called him telling him I'd made a mistake and didn't want to spend the weekend wthout him. He turned around at the next turn off point and came back for me. We were almost 2 hours past the time he was supposed to be arriving when we finally got there and it messed up the plans that had been set, but he didn't care as long as I was with him.

posted September 26, 2017 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:
Okay so, I see both sides here..

Hypatia, I have been on the receiving end of what you are talking about. A Libra Sun in a relationship gives their all to the person they are with. To the point that it can be a detriment to friends and family.

Example: the same libra this post originated about..

He had plans to drive back to his hometown to see his family, about a 250 mile trip. He had been asking me all week to come with him and I had been declining. The day of his departure came and he asked me a thousand more times to come with him, and I told him to go without me. He had to leave by a certain time to get there when he had told them he would be. He left. And about 45 minutes later I called him telling him I'd made a mistake and didn't want to spend the weekend wthout him. He turned around at the next turn off point and came back for me. We were almost 2 hours past the time he was supposed to be arriving when we finally got there and it messed up the plans that had been set, but he didn't care as long as I was with him.

But that doesn't make the lies anything different than what they are. Which is lies. And I understand why he is lying. Keep the peace, don't hurt anybody, blah blah blah... I would much prefer the hurt that comes with the truth you don't want to hear rather than being lied to for my feelings to be spared.

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Exactly lol great example.....

posted September 26, 2017 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Exactly lol great example.....

I am like you, I rather know the truth even if it hurts but my libra guy is very honest and I can handle it. I should add he has mercury conjunct eros in scorpio and mars conjunct uranus in scorpio but I could see how a double libra may lie to spare your feelings yes bc double libras have a phobia around hurting others specially if there is pisces in there too lol which is sweet but i feel you, i want the truth period.

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His Moon is in Pisces, conjunct my Sun. When I say he was all about me, I mean it fully.. Anything he thought would bring a smile to my face happened and there was never a time that I was ever forced to face anything alone. He would drop anything to make sure I was taken care of.

posted September 26, 2017 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Interestingly enough, I grew up with someone who was a Libra Sun, Mercury and Pluto in Scorpio, and she was a very skilled liar. I think the Scorpio energy just added to the depth of her lies - there was a lie to cover a lie, etc. While some of the lies were to spare others feelings, most of them were manipulative in nature.

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I have dealt with one too. I can tell her a skilled liar as I have seen how she strategically plans everything especially in a matter on how/when to sting while still looks like an innocent.

The first thing she did to me was trying to gain my empathy and sympathy, she was very convincing with words. I admit that I fell for her spells at the time (really feeling so stupid for the rest of my life lol). After she sensed I had already feeling sorry for her or trusting her, she started badmouthing the person we talked about in a way, like, VAGUE (this is when I started to feel.. weird, but she was so convincing). Then she strangely making a noise like she cried, asking me to follow what she wanted me to do. As I had already eaten her words as I was so upset with the person she badmouthing (again I said she was very convincing with her words), I agreed to let go.

It turns out everything has already strategically planned by her. She also did convincing story to the person I let go to get a revenge by taking all of his money and then she told everyone I was terrorizing her, calling her everyday which, c'mon, she has those moon/venus/mercury conjunct pluto scorpio (mercury/pluto tight), she was the one who did that to her boyfriend, trying to find out where he was everyday.

Thank God my partner is a Gemini who can't keep other people secrets or stories except his lol (I'm not saying all Geminis but that is the truth of mine ). He also told me everything, so I got two side different stories, one she told me about him and other stories, another one she told him about me and other stories, all were so manipulative, evil, and I must give her an applause as I can not do that to other people but she can to get what she wants. She successfully made everything like a drama and brought major conflict between everyone but insisted being an innocent.

My younger sister is a Libra sun with Virgo mercury. If she has to lie, she will think a perfect lie that you will never find out which one for the rest of your life lol. With Libras, you need to snap them sometimes or even try to call out their fake about being nice all the time or tell them to stop, I did this to her one time, she rudes to me since LOL but we are sisters, so.. we will end up shopping together then

posted September 27, 2017 01:36 AM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:
His Moon is in Pisces, conjunct my Sun. When I say he was all about me, I mean it fully.. Anything he thought would bring a smile to my face happened and there was never a time that I was ever forced to face anything alone. He would drop anything to make sure I was taken care of.

He broke up with me almost 2 months ago because he didn't believe that I love him the way that I do. I want him back so badly. Yes, I am beyond frustrated with the situation right now, but in love, nobody has ever treated me better. The problem I'm having is associating how he is treating me now (half-truths and avoiding) versus how he treated me then. It's two completely different people.

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Huh does he have scorpio somewhere too?

posted September 27, 2017 08:13 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Huh does he have scorpio somewhere too?

I feel your pain, I know what that is like. I hope you get that second chance. Figure out his love language and do something really thoughtful that will convince him you love him, have you shown vulnerability to him? Like talked to him in a way he feels your love? Like moving him with your vulnerability?

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The only Scorpio he has is his IC and his Pluto.

I hope I get another chance, too.

posted September 28, 2017 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Soulsjourney:
I am Libra Sun and Merc, but with Sag Moon. I am actually direct and blunt as F*** LOL

But in situations where I would lie:
1. if my life is in danger
2. if I can't trust the person I am talking to (they may have backstabbed me in the past, or known for gossiping)
3. if I am protecting something or someone else

I am pretty bad at lying, generally people can tell. Maybe the Moon has huge influence on it?

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posted September 29, 2017 01:29 AM            

But there are also those who are really very authentic and will mull over other people's responses/feelings and appropriate ways of conducting themselves in relationships with others. And that is because they care about mantaining peace and harmony. Is that really such a terrible thing?

The only problem i may have with this is when this attempt to mantain the status quo is done in manner that seems to be at all costs i.e being completely false, smiling at the person you don't really care for and even going as far as calling them your "friend".

The lies would factor in to keep the peace or the pleasant atmosphere going. I know of a Virgo/Libra cusp born Sun person with Moon/Mercury/Venus in Libra who lies to his Leo boyfriend in order to prevent arguments.

I think the upset atmosphere that can come as a result of a disagreement, can genuinely make them physically ill. I know that I with Mars in Libra really can't stand an atmosphere that is tense.

There is an ex who decided to abruptly cut me off (Venus-Uranus conjunct) because he was allegedly being harassed by a Taurus ex of mine.

In his head, he chose to put all the tension he felt(together with me) in the bin then risk having to speak up to me about what was going on.