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Lalafortunaea
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posted October 14, 2017 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lalafortunaea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you think could make someone a powerful speaker - someone who can easily command a room with their voice and tone?


Likewise, what could make you sound docile, calm, soft spoken?

What could make someone sound or speak seductively?

What could make someone easy to ignore when they speak?

What do you have, and how do you speak and how do you sound?


As for me, and I don't know if it's this placement I have, or even if it's common? But I have Gemini in the second house. I started speaking when barely a year old, and spoke in near-full sentences. I've been told by many-a-man (some women too) that my voice is sexy, seductive, turns them on. A male friend even told me I should be a call-girl. I'm not bragging - and it is up for debate, whether or not my voice is sexy lol I don't know if that's gem in the second house though.

I've been told before that when speaking, I hypnotize people. I wonder what could cause that?

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posted October 14, 2017 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TheMusician00     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, like all things in astrology, you have to look at a variety of placements.

I'd first look at Mercury and ascendant. Then, I'd look at their rulers and how well aspected they are. Then, I'd look at the 1st and 3rd house and their rulers.


If your voice is seductive and sexy, I'd imagine you have a strong Scorpio/8th house influence in your Mercury, 1st, or 3rd house. Mars in these houses or aspecting Mercury could do the trick as well.

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posted October 14, 2017 05:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SleepyDiary     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
fire influenced mercuries can have a powerful voice.
Easily ignored- moon-mercury,mercury-neptune and venus-mercury or having the signs they rule in mercury ime. They are just really good listeners at times that it is easy to take away the "mic" from them and completely dominate the conversation.
Seductive- venus-merc merc-pluto, merc-neptune, pluto, venus or neptune in the 3rd.

I feel the tone of my voice is all over the place because my mercury is influenced by a lot of different planets. When i speak i can put people on the defensive and make them feel like they need to "prove" something to me. Even when i am all soft and lighthearted about it i still for some reason make people feel on edge. I think my voice can come off provoking and intense no matter how i communicate. I have also heard i have a nice voice. My voice can also be intimidating and powerful when i am angry. But it is also a softness in the way i communicate that can make someone feel safe letting out their feelings to me. Also, i can either be the one easily ignored or be the one that can command the room. It really depends on my mood.

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posted October 14, 2017 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 14, 2017 05:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SleepyDiary     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Melinn:

As you can see, Pluto is a bit forceful. Sometimes even repulsive! One has to find a way to speak more softly and not to push when she/he hits resistance! Which happens if the other person has a fixed Mercury, a strong Pluto etc.

Do i have a fixed mercury if my mercury is receiving two major aspects from two fixed planets and also having pluto in the 3rd?

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posted October 14, 2017 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
Do i have a fixed mercury if my mercury is receiving two major aspects from two fixed planets and also having pluto in the 3rd?

Which planets and which signs are they in?
Having Pluto in 3rd house is more then enough to give you a powerful speach ability. But it's a constant work, to learn how to see your flaws in your communication skills, and learn how to transform your abilities to something better.

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posted October 14, 2017 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tone of voice .... so many shades of meaning

In this lifetime, even evident in grade school, I'd had the ability to command a stage, to fill it with presence. And I have a kind of authority because of speaking 'the truth' ... Truth is VERY powerful. I've been told that there's a clear-ring of Truth in and to my voice.

Feedback has been that I am Kind, and have passion and Compassion. I can also be subtle with my humor.. okay, ~dry. or ~wry. or something close to that.

I remember confronting my Libra grandmother about a repetitive issue with her and the rest of my family. I asked her with directness, logic, kindness, and letting her know she was secure and okay with me.... What I said to her had a curative effect for all. She looked at me and said (without negativity, a compliment) that I 'sounded like a preacher'... She accepted what I had to say.

I've gotten into small ~public-like conversations at the back of the bus, on longer bus rides. Had people tell me I 'sound' like a motivational speaker.

When I was in middle school... my voice (in command-mode) could compel attention and I broke up fights in the lunchrooms, and the ones that broke out in the hallways between classes.

I was chosen for parts in community theatre.. even won a few side awards.

I was on evangelism teams with my church in the early 1990s. .... I DEEPLY DEEPLY Care about people.... and they 'feel' that with me, and they feel 'safe' with me.
.. So anyways... There was one time where a 'hood fight was breaking out in a bad part of town that we were in. I had NO idea that these people where using baseball bats to go attack others. .... I had spoken and prayed with a few people, who turned into being members of the same family, who were involved in the 'hood activities...
In the mean time, the school bus that gave us all a ride, kept circling the block, waiting and waiting, and watching what was going on....
.. I was kind of oblivious to the mobs. I only saw 'souls'...
.. At this one HUGE peak... I was standing in a crossroad intersection. All these people had STOPPED fighting. They stood in front of me... like ... they were WAITING for me to say something (to give a speech)....
.. And in that moment, I 'remembered' a teacher once saying to 'always' have something prepared to SAY when (on index card, an outline), you've commanded the attention... and they are there to HEAR what you have to say....

.... and omg..... I felt in a state of suspended-animations..... They were there.... in front of me..... WHAT was I going to Say? ..........
(They had stopped their fights. I had prayed with many of them...)

That's when I heard the horn blow on the school bus. The leader of the church's evangelism team was at the wheel... urging me to get on the bus.....

In one moment--- I was both relieved that I was being 'rescued' away from that situation. AND, I feel that I FAILED myself. That I was A COWARD... "BECAUSE" I couldn't connect-in with WHAT to SAY to all these who looked up to me.... Who NEEDED/wanted to HEAR 'A Good Word' ..... They were there! Assembled! .... and I still kick myself to this day for that.... {{awww. Self-hug}}

So. That was both thrilling to SUDDENLY realize I didn't just have a group of individuals in front of me--- but I had my first REAL 'audience' .... WHAT was I going to SAY? ....

I am always MUCH MUCH more comfortable with a script. Give me a script, a format of some kind ... and I can usually pull it off.

I need to feel an emotional-connection as well as being in an Intellectual-clear flow....


~Anyways.... Inside my Heart, out silently in public, others have NO IDEA how much I just Love them, (even though I don't know them at all). And with each and every person, I help them feel like someone is interested in what they are saying .... Laughing here too??? because I know that when I get into a passionate INSPIRATIONAL mode that I commandeer that conversation... until I suddenly realize that I was on-stage, with SOOOOO MUCH Caring....

Sometimes when I speak to one single person, it's as though the Universe ALSO has an Ear.... I can Hear the Resonance of Truth... Not just in what I have to say, but in WHAT I am saying.

And it's almost like God... telling me that AS I speak, HE speaks.... .... And it's my fervent deepest want that as I Hear the Voice of Truth, that I would ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS find the Courage to open my Mouth and Speak it.

So. On one hand, I have been full of crippling self-doubt in my life. I stumble awkwardly on my words, even screw up grammar very very often...

But over and over again.... When I can 'forget' my own self, and Allow Flow, .... I am INCREDIBLY Blessed with Right Words, for the Right person(people), at the Right Time....

And I am SOOO humbled.... when I stand in front of someone, and I have the OPPORTUNITY to speak into their Life. Because AS I speak simple words to them, ... I also Resonate the 'spirit' of those words OUT into the Collective Spirit... and IN God's Ear, and To God's Heart.


NEPTUNE Libra 25.50 rx in 10th House Libra.

trine SN-Mercury-POLARIS 27 Gemini
trine 3rd House Cusp 25.56 Aquarius.

Neptune trine Mars Cancer 2+
Mercury cnj Mars (out of sign)

Neptune 25+ Libra H10
Moon 24.56 Virgo H(9) (cnj 12238 Actor) near MC 2+ Libra
Pluto 24.25 Leo H8canc (Pluto-P.of.Fort-DonQuixote)
Jupiter 27.23 Cancer
Uranus 25.01 Cancer cnj PROCYON 25.10.
Vertex 24.53 Cancer (conj 11911 Angel)
Mercury 27.54 Gemini H7 (cnj POLARIS, Betelgeuse)

{{tempted very much to go into significant asteroids, but will resist}}

6th House Cusp 22.38 Taurus (Sun Gem, unaspected)
259 Aletheia 22.32 Taurus (Truth) H5

There are MORE things in my chart I would delineate...
in DEPTH... TOO MUCH Depth!!
In a SAGGI Ascendant WAY, Kind of TOO MUCH Depth

All I can say right now.......
Is just, Thank you. Thank God, Thank the Universe,
And ESPECIALLY , Thank each one of you for having read this (if you did LOL).

My Merc Gem ... always appreciates her Audience! *hug*

(music) Love Song (Elton John) [3:40] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ri96HlRCKI

*not proofread*
*Please, no whole quote*

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posted October 14, 2017 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

North Node Sag, on the Galactic Center, H1
Ascendant Sag, conjunct Great Attractor couple of orbs
MC Libra 2.30 on SuperGalacticCenter ...

h40 Cupido 0.00'01" Libra
Virgo Cluster (SGC) 0.18'56" Libra

Asteroid Urania {muse of astrology} Libra on SPICA cnj Neptune H10 ...

24626 Astrowizard-rx 6.44 Libra
cj 40 Harmonia 7.55 Libra H10
84 Klio 10.18 {muse of history} conjunct 59800 Astropis-rx 10.31 Libra {astrology or astronomy} H10
quintiles to VX-Uranus Cancer H8
quintiles to Pallas 21+ Sag H1

(music) Cells, Planets (Erika Lloyd, Avante) [6:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQMOH4C7CAc

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posted October 15, 2017 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello TheMusician00! Welcome to LL

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posted October 15, 2017 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used to speak often at the Unitarian Fellowship I attended.

My natal has Mercury parallel Mars, plus Mercury & Venus trine Pluto.

By contrast, a friend there who is an Aries was always soft spoken and was so quiet at the podium he was hard to hear. His rising sign is Virgo like mine, and his chart has Mars parallel MC like mine, but the main difference I can see is he has Mercury contra-parallel Saturn (also Moon in Gemini parallel Pluto).

Generally fire signs and fiery planet aspects help with volume and passion. Moon/Venus/Neptune and earth/water tend to calm things down.

If I'm tired my voice gets very flat and soft, even monotone. Same if I've been too inactive for too long, just letting my energy drop.

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posted October 16, 2017 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon, can you explain this "paralell" planet thing? I have not seen info about this aspect before, is it something new?

Yes I think fire and also Pluto and water makes a good speaker!

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posted October 16, 2017 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The parallel is an aspect of declination, as is a contra-parallel. Parallels can be interpreted as conjunction, contra-parallels as oppositions.

You can read more about declinations here:
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/Declinations/

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posted October 17, 2017 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think one has to be extroverted as well. This can make a huge difference. Those who are comfortable in a crowd, tend to be more commanding speakers because they are not afraid of their voice being heard.

A man I know, huge extrovert, terrific salesman, can definitely command a room when he wants to. He is not afraid of public speaking either. He has a very forceful presence and his tone of voice can express this even more.

He has an Aries ASC, Cancer Mercury in the 4th house square Saturn and square Mars.

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posted October 17, 2017 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melinn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by margym0o:
I think one has to be extroverted as well. This can make a huge difference. Those who are comfortable in a crowd, tend to be more commanding speakers because they are not afraid of their voice being heard.

A man I know, huge extrovert, terrific salesman, can definitely command a room when he wants to. He is not afraid of public speaking either. He has a very forceful presence and his tone of voice can express this even more.

He has an Aries ASC, Cancer Mercury in the 4th house square Saturn and square Mars.



I have to disagree. Extroverts are not the only good ones at commanding a room and not being afraid of letting their voices being heard . Sure introverts does not wanna be in spotlight alll the time, but they are actually much better at feeling a room, observing their public beforehand and if they wanna the gonna take charge of that room as well and good as an extrovert. It's a myth, that introverts does not like being seen or heard^^.

I have lots of introvert friends who is amazing at presentations and speakings. Although, an introvert may absolutely need more training in thise stuff, and more training in letting their "fire" glow through.

I'm not an extrovert, but not a complete introvert either. I was around 23-25 years old when I started to feel comfy speaking for bigger publics. And now I'm completely ok with it and also I'm good at it. I really like being the main focus and people listening to me. To command their attention. But I'm not good at for ex improvising,yet.

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posted October 18, 2017 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been told to speak up when in groups.
I am less audible when I feel shy.
I think Mars might give greater force
in the power of the voice or even
Jupiter.
Been told my voice is sensual, friends
used to have me record their outgoing VM
message becauseof how I sound.
I've been ignored during 1:1 talking.
As well I'm told my tone is nice
in speech and song. I believe in my case
it might be the 'others' individuals
who are listening, in
question more than my actual voice.
How my voice is "perceived", heard.

I have Venus, Moon, Sun in her natural H2 (throat rules this house)
and Neptune in H12.

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posted October 18, 2017 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting, MoonMystic

So...
if we're talking about the physical larynx and voice box sounds?

My voice is in the lower-range for stereotype female pitches. I have thicker vocal cords. I had an extra-wide singing range.

My speaking voice is warmer and more-mellow, a melodious kind of sound.

When I'm very nervous (or scared), I've noticed the pitch of my resonous voice can stay a bit higher than usual. (Was surprised to notice that last year, in an interview situation.)

Singing, I had/have a natural mezzo-soprano's range and color, but always preferred singing with the lower-range voices in choirs because I relished and lived-for singing harmony. I can darken my voice to sound alto.
(When I have a cold, I can sing Baritone, down to C below middle-C!!! ..)

Up until I went to college, I had a choppier and more-guttural speaking voice in public with my friends, etc. When I got some singing lessons in college, my speaking voice became more fluent, and remained that way.

I bet I could probably sound sultry if I were naughty and gave that an intimate-try.

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