posted November 30, 2017 09:43 PM            

Hmm some little observations that may have to do with this.
I don’t look or seem like an Aries to people at first.

9th house higher education, college never appealed to me, but I learned I must do it.

posted November 30, 2017 10:30 PM            

This aspect can be identified with ambition, but struggles over time to meet with success. It can also be identified in many people as an apparent struggle from early in life to meet with approval from parent/father/teachers. However, that is karmic setup, not purpose. The trick is to not get caught up in the game of trying to validate yourself by proving your worth to those doubters or obstructing people, but to see it purely as developing the strength and follow-through to see constructive purposes through to a tangible finish.

posted November 30, 2017 11:49 PM            

So for instance someone could use an incorrect title to address you.And you correct them. Or you are clumped into a group that you feel is "beneath" you and feel the restrictions agitative to you.

Saturn tends to steel us.So this transit may make us come across less sympathetic to others or unable to merge with their point of view(unllike Neptune).We tend towards pragmatism more now.

In our pursuit to realize where we end and begin or what we are capable of, we may become single-minded in our quest and become prickly with those who don't share our committed approach.

Some get additional qualifications (Sat) or increase the competencies/skills relative to the field they are in(Sat). Others may become parents, buy a home or enter into long term agreements I.e. marriage, business partnerships etc.

posted December 01, 2017 11:36 AM            

Sun square Saturn anticipate the worst outcome and people seeing the worst of them. So yes, rarely do they feel they are "good enough".

The individual could be beautifully/handsome. But will have a hard time appreciating that fully. Self deprecating, self ridicule through either sarcastic humor or being hard on themselves can happen.

Unfortunately it doesn't make them a joy to be aroubd either for others as they may quickly project this criticism on others-especially in relatiobships. Making them people that are so damne hard to please.

@Melanin

The best way to assure a Saturn-Sun square individual, is to not compliment them in a BIG way. They may think it disingenuous. So you have to be subtle and do it in a manner that is not exaggerated. That usually hits the mark.

My ex has Sun in Libra conjunct Saturn in Libra. Saturn square Moon. And I have Venus conj Saturn so Saturn works in ways i have come to understand.

Its not that these guys are "humble" per se. Many are aware of their capabilities as Saturn is about the specifics. So they know.

The issue here is not wanting to make an error/ mistake. To be totally competent and unquestionable. They set the bar for themselves pretty high.

If Neptune-Sun dreams of perfection or exhibiting perfection. Sun-Saturn knows what it takes and is always acutely aware of how far/close they are from it. They are always harder on themselves than ithers would ever be and find it difficult to cut themselves some slack.

posted December 01, 2017 02:43 PM            

Many people notice that I'm hard on myself. The expectations I have of myself are high, because I know that I can achieve a lot if I keep working on developing the skills I have. By no means do I think that the goals I have are easy ones. My goals require a lot of time, effort, and hard work, so yes, I can come off as incredibly serious.

posted December 01, 2017 05:34 PM            

I basically disliked school since 1st grade. So I guess I’ve never been a big fan of conforming, but I eventually do...cause...I pretty much have to. Lol
I never really liked the idea of having to be somewhere all day all the time.
And so much yes about working hard, but at the end of the day it needs to be for me!

Ugh yes, I really feel like validation from others is a part of life whether we like it or not! I mean that’s probably part of why I am not a total school person.

When I was working while finishing school, I would express “when can I finally do something that doesn’t involve people validating my self worth?!”

For my sanity and happiness, I am aware that I do need to do things just for me! AKA ME TIME. Running, bath, being lazy. Etc.
Though it feels good to be recognized positively. Relying on others approval over my own won’t make me happy.

Having bad criticism can be a downer. Especially people and places it has to matter like a supervisor. Sometimes criticism is constructive. But when failure is expressed...I need to be alone and sulk.

And then sometimes I just find people’s criticism down right annoying and rude and I just want them to eff off. Especially when it’s over something stupid, like what I’m wearing is a big deal and they think I owe them an explanation for it.
Basically sometimes people’s judgement can boil my blood.
Including my boyfriend only noticing when I’m lazy and eat junk food...but not himself. Don’t worry I call him out and bring it to his attention. But I hold my toungue for other people I’m not so close to, and keep my sarcastic remarks to myself.

I’ll end with this confession I don’t over idealize career anymore. I discovered I like being a home and going out when I want. Basically doing whatever I damn please.

posted December 01, 2017 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:
I have Sun square Saturn natally.
Aries Sun 11 house square Saturn Capricorn 9th house.

Hmm some little observations that may have to do with this.
I don’t look or seem like an Aries to people at first.

9th house higher education, college never appealed to me, but I learned I must do it.

I’ll answer any questions you have.

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My Libra Sun in 1st house squares my Cancer Saturn in 9th house. Cool we have the same placement.

I'm not sure about college yet, but I just want to be able to make a career.

posted December 01, 2017 11:21 PM            

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Originally posted by abisert:
My Libra Sun in 1st house squares my Cancer Saturn in 9th house. Cool we have the same placement.

I'm not sure about college yet, but I just want to be able to make a career.

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posted December 01, 2017 11:35 PM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Can anyone tell me what Sun and/or Moon square Saturn is like?

How is it different from Sun/Moon conjunct Saturn, or trine saturn, or even a Capricorn Sun/Moon, or Sun/Moon in 10th house?

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sun square saturn
overall a rather gloomy aspect (unless also jupiter aspects the sun to cheer it up),
the person always feels like they need to do more to prove their self worth,
thus they go out of their comfort zone a lot to try and achieve something,
and once they achieve something, they still don't feel like they're enough, and need to accomplish something else, this may never stop,
chronic procrastination and lack of consistency may be witnessed in the person, as it's hard to choose sometimes whether to focus their activities on their sun (and the house it is in) or their saturn (and its house)

moon square saturn
a criticizing mother who perhaps wasn't in touch with her feminine side
perhaps also malnutrition during early life
the person struggles with getting in touch with their deeper emotions and accepting their feminine side
they do it eventually though, because that's the lesson saturn is trying to teach

with the sun opposite saturn, the situations are rather different,
hardships have been cast on the person's life by external factors (such as not having a supportive parent or enough money for education, etc)
chronic tiredness and a general lack of energy or the "life force" can be seen, but there can also be times when the person feels super energetic and feels like they can achieve anything, these people are late bloomers..if others get married or run their own business by 30, these people may achieve success in late 30s

moon opposite saturn
you were forced to suppress your emotions because of situations
at times the person find themselves wanting to shout out their emotions to the whole world, so this person may choose artistic and self-expressive jobs

sun conjunct saturn
the father was strict and determined to make a name and position for himself
he expected the same from you, and thus you find yourself in situations that force you to go his way, perhaps continue the family business, or whatever other activity is related to the house the sun is in in your chart,
there can be a strictness and seriousness to the character, determined to achieve no matter what

moon conjunct saturn
you find your mother a very strict person, perhaps also critize her for her coldness and lack of ability to show motherly emotions
the person is thirsty for motherly love though, and tries to buy the affection of often authority like females by working for them,
they may also have chronic depression

sun trine saturn
again rather gloomy,
saturn trines still make you feel the pressure and strictness of saturn, thus self-sabotaging and being hard on oneself, but they're less irritating than the squares

capricorn sun or moon
your father or mother were serious and hard working people

sun in the 10th
your father was famous or had an important public job
you were in the public light since childhood and thus always feel like everybody is up in your business
father may push you toward following his footsteps and regardless of whether you choose to do the same thing as him or not, you have access to the connections he has everwhere

the person may be super humble or under-dress in the public to dim the light in an attempt to gain a bit of privacy and to receive less attention

the person is determined to succeed anyway, and whatever the sun sign is, the person wants to bring out the qualities of that sign into the public use, and leave behind a lecagy

moon in the 10th
the person's emotions find out a way to get into the public eye, perhaps through art or poetry or a job related to women
and the mother might have been famous or important in the public
if the person is male, he may be super popular with women, but it also depends on the moon degree as well as its aspects with other planets

posted December 02, 2017 08:20 AM            

I think my Leo rising balances me out so that I'm not super serious. I am very goal oriented and when I set my mind on something I just go and do it, although maybe that is the Aries Mars.

posted December 02, 2017 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@Melinn

You are doing fine Doing little things for him helps a lot. Its really what they notice.

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posted December 06, 2017 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:

I basically disliked school since 1st grade. So I guess I’ve never been a big fan of conforming, but I eventually do...cause...I pretty much have to. Lol
I never really liked the idea of having to be somewhere all day all the time.
And so much yes about working hard, but at the end of the day it needs to be for me!

...
When I was working while finishing school, I would express “when can I finally do something that doesn’t involve people validating my self worth?!”

For my sanity and happiness, I am aware that I do need to do things just for me! AKA ME TIME. Running, bath, being lazy. Etc.
Though it feels good to be recognized positively. Relying on others approval over my own won’t make me happy.

I’ll end with this confession I don’t over idealize career anymore. I discovered I like being a home and going out when I want. Basically doing whatever I damn please.

If I didn’t have to work, I would not. Though I am greatful for some of my experiences with work school and people I’ve met on the way.

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lol I have saturn square my MC (6 degrees rather wide but still) and I resonated a lot with what you said!

posted December 09, 2017 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:

lol I have saturn square my MC (6 degrees rather wide but still) and I resonated a lot with what you said!

fist bump

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