posted August 23, 2019 04:38 PM              

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Originally posted by kani:
I heard Jlo is of Caucasian ancestry actually, her ancestors all being from Spain, Europe.

@hypatia: you look like J.lo in her younger days I think.

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posted August 23, 2019 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
I see what you mean but Caucasian then is quite vague because to us in Europe Caucasian describes white-white people (culturally, like, if JLo robbed a bank she wouldn't be described to the authorities as "Caucasian", but anthropologically speaking you're absolutely right), the slightest nose or hair texture denoting a different type of ancestry (even partially) and you're classified into a sub category, so JLo would fall into Mediterranean, which is also a way to say "of mixed Caucasian and Hispanic ancestries"

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Oh I thought that's an American thing to use subcategories for people's ethnicity whenever someone is not blonde and fair skinned. I'm from Europe as well by the way

posted August 23, 2019 06:11 PM            

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Originally posted by kani:
Oh I thought that's an American thing to use subcategories for people's ethnicity whenever someone is not blonde and fair skinned. I'm from Europe as well by the way

And I always thought Hispanic wasn't a classification of ethnicity but culture. I think the US uses the terms white or none white Hispanic (J.lo would be the white version) when describing people from Puerto Rico or such and their different skin colour. I remember reading that somewhere. But yeah it is a bit confusing because different countries have different definitions don't they.

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the white and non white hispanic thing is about having heritage that traces back to spain mostly rather than native or even being more mixed

which you can tell by skin color typically and features etc

jennifer lopez is about average skin tone wise for a puerto rican and your average puerto rican wouldnt consider her white they'd just call her hispanic and leave it at that

but i suppose other people might see it a little different since puerto ricans can be way darker than that etc

but as far as puerto ricans go ones who look like her have always considered me white and themselves more hispanic

granted im also italian , but still that's generally how it works, ive been told a million times over i dont know what being puerto rican is like by other puerto ricans

there's also the ones who have **** against you if you have conquistador heritage too

edit: btw it's a vague ethnicity term because of how racially mixed those areas are

posted August 23, 2019 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
the white and non white hispanic thing is about having heritage that traces back to spain mostly rather than native or even being more mixed

which you can tell by skin color typically and features etc

jennifer lopez is about average skin tone wise for a puerto rican and your average puerto rican wouldnt consider her white they'd just call her hispanic and leave it at that

but i suppose other people might see it a little different since puerto ricans can be way darker than that etc

but as far as puerto ricans go ones who look like her have always considered me white and themselves more hispanic

granted im also italian , but still that's generally how it works, ive been told a million times over i dont know what being puerto rican is like by other puerto ricans

there's also the ones who have **** against you if you have conquistador heritage too

edit: btw it's a vague ethnicity term because of how racially mixed those areas are

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the US is a special case because of its racial diversity I guess. It's funny though how I heard some Americans with Southern European ancestry (Italy, Greece, Balkans, Spain...) say "I'm not white, I have Italian/Greek/Spanish in me" 😂😂.
I think we talked about that on discord a while ago.

posted August 23, 2019 06:40 PM            

us white tends to mean something very specific, and it also varies depending on where you are

posted August 23, 2019 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonbeth:
I think you look amazing

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posted August 24, 2019 04:10 AM              

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Originally posted by kani:
Oh I thought that's an American thing to use subcategories for people's ethnicity whenever someone is not blonde and fair skinned. I'm from Europe as well by the way

And I always thought Hispanic wasn't a classification of ethnicity but culture. I think the US uses the terms white or none white Hispanic (J.lo would be the white version) when describing people from Puerto Rico or such and their different skin colour. I remember reading that somewhere. But yeah it is a bit confusing because different countries have different definitions don't they.

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posted August 24, 2019 04:15 AM              

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Thank you! Gave me a big smile.

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posted August 24, 2019 03:55 PM            

This would also explain her late marriage, and multiple marriages, because Saturn is in her 7th.

This would also put her 7th ruler, mars, in the 2nd, Sagittarius. Marc Anthony is probably a Scorpio-rising, and he's a singer.

posted August 24, 2019 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
Too easy. She's a late Libra-rising. This would put sun in her 10th house, giving her fame, and the ruler of her MC in cancer, the moon, in the 2nd house. The 2nd house deals with singing, so she's famous(sun in 10th) for her singing(10th ruler in 2nd).

This would also explain her late marriage, and multiple marriages, because Saturn is in her 7th.

This would also put her 7th ruler, mars, in the 2nd, Sagittarius. Marc Anthony is probably a Scorpio-rising, and he's a singer.

Actually, Jlo has the 10th ruler in the 2nd, and Marc Anthony has his 2nd ruler in the 10th. This means that Jlo became a singer BECAUSE she was famous(for playing a singer, Selena), while Anthony became famous BECAUSE he was such a good singer.

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Jennifer Lopez is born July 24th 1969, at 5:49am in Bronx, New York; thus making her a 1st Decan Leo Rising!
She even has an aquiline "Lion-like" signature-nose, like other Leo Ascendants I know, as well as the following celebs: Beyonce, Chris Brown, Drake, Nick Jonas, etc.
Aquiline meaning the nose is the most "prominent" part of the facial features, even if it's not huge per-se.

posted August 24, 2019 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
What do you think her rising/ascendant sign is???

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Jennifer Lopez is born July 24th 1969, at 5:49am in Bronx, New York; thus making her a 1st Decan Leo Rising!
She even has an aquiline "Lion-like" signature-nose, like other Leo Ascendants I know, as well as the following celebs: Beyonce, Chris Brown, Drake, Nick Jonas, etc.
Aquiline meaning the nose is the most "prominent" part of the facial features, even if it's not huge per-se.

posted August 24, 2019 05:50 PM              

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
Jennifer Lopez is born July 24th 1969, at 5:49am in Bronx, New York; thus making her a 1st Decan Leo Rising!
She even has an aquiline "Lion-like" signature-nose, like other Leo Ascendants I know, as well as the following celebs: Beyonce, Chris Brown, Drake, Nick Jonas, etc.
Aquiline meaning the nose is the most "prominent" part of the facial features, even if it's not huge per-se.

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This is what astro data bank reads about JLo's tob: "Online websites give her birth time occasionally as 5:49 am, or as 13:00 (1:00 pm). Both appear as purely speculative times, as 5:49 am corresponds exactly to a sunrise chart, while 13:00 corresponds exactly to a Sun at MC chart."
Which I believe is why people are discussing her rising in the first place

An aquiline nose is a nose with a prominent bridge, like bent, such as an eagle's beak, where the name comes from, it is not what JLo or Beyonce have... Barbra Streisand has one. Although regarding JLo, plastic surgery rumours have been going on for a while, you never know with celebrity noses ^^

I happen to have a prominent nose and I am a Leo rising (thanks for the info, never associated those two before, my nose is slightly different from the rest of my family ), but my nose isn't aquiline either.

posted August 24, 2019 06:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98:
Jennifer Lopez is born July 24th 1969, at 5:49am in Bronx, New York; thus making her a 1st Decan Leo Rising!
She even has an aquiline "Lion-like" signature-nose, like other Leo Ascendants I know, as well as the following celebs: Beyonce, Chris Brown, Drake, Nick Jonas, etc.
Aquiline meaning the nose is the most "prominent" part of the facial features, even if it's not huge per-se.

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How do you know her time of birth? Leo doesn't make much sense to me. It would put Saturn in the 10th house, which would not lead to fame.

It would also make Saturn the ruler of her 6th house, in the 10th. Don't see how that would fit into her life.

posted August 24, 2019 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
Too easy. She's a late Libra-rising. This would put sun in her 10th house, giving her fame, and the ruler of her MC in cancer, the moon, in the 2nd house. The 2nd house deals with singing, so she's famous(sun in 10th) for her singing(10th ruler in 2nd).

This would also explain her late marriage, and multiple marriages, because Saturn is in her 7th.

This would also put her 7th ruler, mars, in the 2nd, Sagittarius. Marc Anthony is probably a Scorpio-rising, and he's a singer.

Actually, Jlo has the 10th ruler in the 2nd, and Marc Anthony has his 2nd ruler in the 10th. This means that Jlo became a singer BECAUSE she was famous(for playing a singer, Selena), while Anthony became famous BECAUSE he was such a good singer.

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posted August 24, 2019 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You must find me so unattractive btw lol! Sun in Virgo with Venus conjunct Mars in Leo in the 8th trine AC in Sagittarius with Sun opposite Moon in pisces forming a Tsquare with Neptune in Sag in the 1H at the Galactic Center near AC plus Southnode in Sag conjunct AC

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They would find me unattractive too with my signs being similar lol

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posted August 25, 2019 01:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't think she is pretty in a Libra way which is the classic girl next door. I think she is more exotic which would be another ASC.

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Lots of things factor into appearance. In order to rectify a chart, people's entire lives need to be taken into account. Extreme fame can usually be seen by looking at the 10th house. The Sun is strongest there.

As for appearance, moon nakshatras are extremely important. JLo's moon nakshatra falls in Anuradha nakshatra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYv5H2A1Dzk&list=PLMkuwr0afTPh2mBkllXNJQr2h5IZBJr-Q&i ndex=7

posted August 25, 2019 06:51 AM            

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Originally posted by FireVirgo:
They would find me unattractive too with my signs being similar lol

But Hypatia, you are very pretty! You actually look SO much like my friend who has the same exact birthday as me...but she is Pisces moon (Virgo Sun, Leo Venus) like you. She is Spanish and has the same hair, same eyes, same eyebrow shape, and smiles exactly like you too! Uncanny!

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Get out! That is crazy haha
My grandparents from my father's side are from Spain (Asturias & Valencia). I look like my dad and his side of the family.

posted August 25, 2019 11:17 AM            

Now all my partners have 3rd house stuff going on but zero gemini. My husband has nothing in gemini or the 3rd house though but his 3rd house ruler is the moon and sextiles my Juno. His 3H ruler the Moon squares his sun and trines his mercury conjunct Eros in the 6th. That is another thing he has nothing in Gemini but has Mercury conjunct Eros and lots of 6H action.

posted August 25, 2019 11:31 AM            

His ex was a scorpio, she wanted to marry him but he did not want to marry her. I am the first person he ever wanted to marry.

posted August 25, 2019 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I have DC in Gemini and none of my partners have been Gemini or had Gemini placements. They all have Scorpio placements always which matches my Venus conjunct Mars in the 8th, squares my venus conjunct Mars in Leo and falls in my 11th house.

Now all my partners have 3rd house stuff going on but zero gemini. My husband has nothing in gemini or the 3rd house though but his 3rd house ruler is the moon and sextiles my Juno. His 3H ruler the Moon squares his sun and trines his mercury conjunct Eros in the 6th. That is another thing he has nothing in Gemini but has Mercury conjunct Eros and lots of 6H action.

The DC is not the sign you end getting involved with. It describes qualities of the person you end up getting married to, how you are in relationships and your needs in relationships. For example, I have mercury ruling my DC in the 9H. I need a marriage partner who is adventures and will expand my mind and world experiences. When I think of my marriage I always say something like "the crazy adventures of Brandon and Amelia." That is my DC ruler in the 9H in action. Even though our marriage is not perfect it falls completely in line with DC in Gemini and Mercury in the 9H, he is super chatty, loves talking and has expanded my world and mind, we have definitely had crazy adventures and interesting life experiences together.

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posted September 24, 2020 01:03 PM            

Planets that increase attractive indications for females are Venus, Neptune (subtly--more bedroom eyes, magnetism, etc), and Jupiter to some extent. Sometimes Moon if well placed and if there is also some Venus going on at the same time, and the Moon is not too strong.

Oddly, I've seen Sun go both ways. An ex who had Aries Sun conjunct her Aries Asc. was not physically attractive--was pretty masculine looking. But someone I am extremely attracted to physically (and otherwise), has Virgo Rising with her chart ruler in Taurus and conjunct late Aries Sun cusping Taurus--and she is very attractive by most peoples standards.

The least attractive Signs for females in an archetypal sense are Aries and Gemini. The strong masculine/Yang energy of same, often indicates a more plain Jane kind of look. The other Signs not mentioned in either category tend to be more in the average range.

Planet wise, Mars is the Planet when strong in connection with a females Asc, tends to indicate less attractiveness than average--especially so if the Rising is also a more Yang polarized Sign (i.e. the most, in order, being Aries, Gemini, Leo, and to a lesser extent Sagittarius [Sag is definitely more balanced and integrated between the inner Yang and Yin than the former mentioned Signs, but still definitely polarized to the Yang]).

These are not value judgements. I don't think looks matter much beyond body reactions. I'd rather be with a more average or even less attractive person with a really good heart, deep mind, and/or spiritually attuned than the prettiest and most attractive woman who is also narcissistic, petty, mean, or generally slow vibratory. I'm very Aquarius Venus/Descendant in that sense (this not to say that I don't appreciate beautiful bodies, because my body very much does).

But I've been doing this astro thing for a long time and have noticed definite patterns in relation to Rising Signs. However, as mentioned, it's very rare for people to have relatively pure Rising Signs--a majority of the time, there are strong aspects to the Asc from Planets, or strong aspects to the chart ruler, and cusping between Signs, are all quite common and strongly modify the archetypal expressions of the Signs.