posted June 26, 2018 01:44 PM            

An evolved scorpio would never hold a grudge.

They would use the anger and recentment as a fuel for a period of a time, short or long. Then they would stop feeling anything about it as they walk away and they would forgive.
Scorpio does not hold on to negative feelings and people, because its like poison and scorpio is all about eliminating toxins and healing.

posted June 26, 2018 02:15 PM            

Honestly, i think everyone has the potential to hold a grudge and no one on this planet is 100% above grudges, which means all astrology charts have the potential to manifest as a grudge toward someone in some way.

Out of all the fixed signs, Scorpio is probably most likely to have forgiveness issues with Aquarius being less likely to have forgiveness issues. With Scorpio's reputation for extremes, this reflects as an extreme tendency for grudges when they are wronged or just feel like they were wronged. Sometimes, for Scorpios, their forgiveness issues can push them to seek revenge. Aquarius can still hold a grudge if their independence or freedom is actively being threatened.

Outside of the fixed signs, I think Cancer and Pisces are the next signs that could potentially hold a grudge, mainly from the water element assigned to these signs. Water signs are deeply connected to their emotions and this means they feel very deeply and with greater strength than people whose charts are lacking in the presence of water signs. If they get hurt, their reaction will be felt much more intensely and this can result in grudges.

I think different signs vary when it comes to what makes them hold a grudge.

In my case, while I tend to forgive people easily, there is one person I have not forgiven, my brother. I have no idea what caused the grudge in the first place so this is making it hard to address it and get over whatever it was that triggered it. Over time, I became mature enough to not be controlled by my grudge and now I'm able to interact with him reasonably well. The only problem is I have dealt with everything that I thought could be causing the grudge and it's still there for some reason. Maybe Saturn in 3rd house is the reason for the delay and I'll overcome my grudge during my Saturn Return. Well, actually, I'd rather be over it now. I just can't be rid of my grudge if I haven't processed what caused it to begin with.

My chart has a strong emphasis on fixed signs, mainly Taurus and Scorpio.

posted June 26, 2018 05:04 PM            

It can be moon in cancer, southnode in cancer, not just sun in cancer, ohhh MARS in CANCER!

posted June 26, 2018 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Capricorn.

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Can you elaborate on this one?

posted June 26, 2018 06:27 PM            

Maybe I am an unevolved Scorpio as they say.

I havent seen or spoken to my mother in 20 years. She abused my physically/emotional
/psychologically and sexually in my childhood. Also Moon in my 12H. I think I would physically harm her if I did.

I plan on wanting revenge on things that happen but thats just short term then I just get over it and move on.

Except that time when my heart was shattered into a million pieces. Then I just destroyed lives in the processes. Mainly because they thought they could get away with threatening, intimidating and bullying me, so had to set them straight.

I'm the Queen f u c k i n g B itch.

Some people just need to learn that the hard way.

So maybe a bit of grudge holding on there

posted June 26, 2018 06:30 PM            

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
I have a Scorpio Moon/Asc/Uranus. 2 planets in my 8H and 3 in 12H.

Maybe I am an unevolved Scorpio as they say.

I havent seen or spoken to my mother in 20 years. She abused my physically/emotional
/psychologically and sexually in my childhood. Also Moon in my 12H. I think I would physically harm her if I did.

I plan on wanting revenge on things that happen but thats just short term then I just get over it and move on.

Except that time when my heart was shattered into a million pieces. Then I just destroyed lives in the processes. Mainly because they thought they could get away with threatening, intimidating and bullying me, so had to set them straight.

I'm the Queen f u c k i n g B itch.

Some people just need to learn that the hard way.

So maybe a bit of grudge holding on there

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posted June 26, 2018 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturus90:
Magnanimity (8992) and Clementina (252) are two asteroids of forgiveness. But I noticed that I'm having difficulties forgiving people who have planets on my Magnanimity. Maybe because it's retrograde. Or because I don't have good aspects with this asteroid, just one negative aspect.

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posted June 26, 2018 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
I have a Scorpio Moon/Asc/Uranus. 2 planets in my 8H and 3 in 12H.

Maybe I am an unevolved Scorpio as they say.

I havent seen or spoken to my mother in 20 years. She abused my physically/emotional
/psychologically and sexually in my childhood. Also Moon in my 12H. I think I would physically harm her if I did.

I plan on wanting revenge on things that happen but thats just short term then I just get over it and move on.

Except that time when my heart was shattered into a million pieces. Then I just destroyed lives in the processes. Mainly because they thought they could get away with threatening, intimidating and bullying me, so had to set them straight.

I'm the Queen f u c k i n g B itch.

Some people just need to learn that the hard way.

So maybe a bit of grudge holding on there

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posted June 26, 2018 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
I'm sure they meant unevolved as in for petty things. But even an evolved Scorpio knows when one should pay (death and taxes and all ;D)

Some people just need to be set on fire, I guess!

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posted June 26, 2018 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I feel is a cancer thing. Cancer can be overly sensitive and they have extremely good emotional memory and they hold on to the past so if you hurt them they have a good memory for that and is hard for cancers to forget bc they have such good emotional memory so they hold a grudge.

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It can be moon in cancer, southnode in cancer, not just sun in cancer, ohhh MARS in CANCER!

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I feel grudges have to do with emotions hence I bet on cancer placements and certain moon aspects/placements since moon rules cancer or people with planets on their IC or 4th house. With all these there is tendency to hold on to the past including past hurts.

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posted June 26, 2018 08:13 PM              

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
Can you elaborate on this one?

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I once saw an astrology meme that was about the zodiac signs and forgiveness, and making up for past wrongs.

posted June 27, 2018 02:07 AM            

I can be quite unforgiving, despite having Moon in the 1st. I remember painful memories very deeply, even vividly (Moon sextile Mercury in Virgo), that certain details of a memory will amplify the deep hurt that I've felt at a certain period of time.

I feel that having both my Mercury and Venus in Virgo also influences this since Virgo has a tendency for perfectionism. You do me wrong once, it sticks in my head for good, and I usually subconsciously refer to that memory in future arguments. It's like I nitpick you in the present for what you have done in the past. I've been trying to overcome this and I have been making progress. Virgo placements alone, I don't think will make someone hold a grudge. But if you mix this with either Cancer or Scorpio placements or aspects to Pluto, you'll have the perfect formula for a vengeful person.

Also, I have Mars in Libra, and every time someone wrongs me, I feel like they should pay somehow. The balance needs to be restored. I strongly believe in the golden rule and karma. However, my impatience can sometimes lead me to say "scr*w karma" and take the necessary steps to exact revenge anyway. I end up doing more damage than I originally intended to when I do this. Again, this has been quite a challenging tendency for me and I have been trying to overcome it.

I think being in a relationship has been helping out a lot. It was easier for me to judge people and say what I would have done in a situation before when I was single. Now that I'm in a relationship which requires a lot of effort and compromise, I realize it's not always so black and white.

Oh, and I also have Mercury and Venus square Pluto.

I definitely agree that any sign can have the capacity to be unforgiving, but some have more tendencies to be so. Selfless signs like Aquarius or Pisces may find it easier than others to forgive. But if you add an aspect to Pluto or the Moon, that really changes everything. Even Aries or Gemini will be modified if the rest of the chart says so.

The other prominent one that I've noticed in others are Scorpio moons. I think they have more of a tendency for being unforgiving than those who have Scorpio somewhere else. I think this is because such people feel so strongly about things that they will not let you back in to their lives if you have proven to be unworthy in the past. My brother is a great example of this. But again, that alone is not sufficient enough. I know a girl who has Scorpio moon square neptune in Aqua who is more forgiving than any other Scorpio moon I have ever met. Even though she feels the pain very deeply, she knows it is best for her and everybody else (utilitarian Neptune in Aquarius) that she forgive and move on. She also has a couple Pisces placements.

posted June 27, 2018 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
Definitely agree with Cancer, especially Moon in Cancer.

I can be quite unforgiving, despite having Moon in the 1st. I remember painful memories very deeply, even vividly (Moon sextile Mercury in Virgo), that certain details of a memory will amplify the deep hurt that I've felt at a certain period.

Also, I have Mars in Libra, and every time someone wrongs me, I feel like they should pay somehow. The balance needs to be restored. I strongly believe in the golden rule and karma. However, my impatience can sometimes lead me to say "scr*w karma" and take the necessary steps to exact revenge anyway. I end up doing more damage than I originally intended to when I do this. Again, this has been quite a challenging tendency for me and I have been trying to overcome it.

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You echoed my thoughts.

I think Fire/Water strong people tend to internalize hurt a lot.And that may be because both fire and water signs are all heart but in differing ways.

Moon in Cancer has a strong sense of community and believe that people should be empathetic with each other or atleast be able to be cordial to each other.

This need they share with Libra; whom believes that societal rules and etiquette should be followed.But unlike Cancer, Libra is a lot more impersonal and does not involve feelings in the equation.

I bore a grudge against my Dad. I didn't get why we couldnt bond and took it very personally(Cancer Moon)

My Dad was also very formal Sat-Moon conj and had a very sharp tongue Ur-Merc conj. So I was a bundle of nerves around him. And still am.

So I find it hard to forgive impersonal, callous and uncouth people. I can forgive strangers, but I dont want someone who is unresponsive emotionally.

It took me a while to forgive my father. But that was also because I moved away from home. And that gave me an objective perspective which I am grateful for.

With Mars in Libra, I dont approve of rule breakers when it comes to social conducts in the public at large.

I watch murder series and stories of people vitimized to understand the "why?". I want rhyme and reason to all the atrocities I see and when I perceive clear and unambiguous unfairness, I get really worked up.

So I bear grudges against those who dont care for social orders and have a selfish disdain for the rights of others. I believe there is power "with" and not "over" others.

Mars in Libra squares my Moon in Cancer. I am both angered by social injustice(Libra Mars) as well as apathy(Moon in Cancer)

posted June 27, 2018 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I have Clementina conjunct SUN and my MC, I am forgiving, add all that squares my Neptune.

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posted June 27, 2018 09:31 PM            

Sometimes I have a list of people in my head that might or have given me problems.

Ironically I met a Scorpio sun with Mars Cancer square Aries moon and the level of hatred is extreme between both of us.

But I'm a Gemini male so I can outwit her, she's a Scorpio sun female so all she can do is try to be a nuisance. I wouldn't be saying the same if I was dealing with a Scorpio male.

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posted June 27, 2018 10:24 PM            

I consider myself very forgiving and I don’t hold grudges. If someone ****** me off enough time, sure I can won’t like them. And maybe I’ll even be disrespectful towards them until they go away. But for the most part I am friendly.
The only time I’ve ever considered holding a grudge which wouldn’t be a grudge really it would just be to protect my heart from ****** people is when my sister who is a careless whatever sign I won’t say because I don’t want things to get heated . She’s a libra moon Vedic and a cancer sun tropical. My Sagittarius stallion tropical ex or Scorpio stellkjm vedic ex which perfectly matched my descendent who was the perfect dude for me I’ve ever met In my entire life...
I just remember thinking if they got together, it would hurt me so badly that I would never speak to my sister again. It would take years to even consider talking to her again or even thinking about her in a positive way. You just don’t do that to family. You should never do that to anyone ever really. Especially me. I’m a good person... lol </3

But another time I considered holding a grudge was from friends who ghosted on me. These are people who are supposed to be my life long friends. And they put no effort into the relationship ever. I understand we have different lives and live in different parts of the state. Having our own jobs and duties to attend to.. but they literally put no effort. Not even a single text after months. If I don’t reach out to them they’d never talk to me. I’m not the type of person who is going to wait a millennia until you want something from me so you can come use me for your selfish needs. Say it’s a hang out session when really mahbe you needed something.
Well duck that. I’m not about that. For a long time I’ve lived in the past and even in a sense this is still n the past but it still affects me in a way. I still love and care for them. But I’m not going to be put on the back burner for when you feel like being a decent person....
Also btw it’s not a grudge it’s just a necessary ending. I’m so good at endings now. The best part of getting older.

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Tropical Sun Libra/Moon Sagittarius/Ascendant Gemini

posted June 27, 2018 10:58 PM              

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
First off I’ll answer your question, because my actions are giving me away. LOL
ID SAY any fixed signs. Well anyone wronged enough with a sense of dignity and self respect will hold themselves to a point where they say ENOUGH IS EBOUGH.. I am no longer going to let you treat me like that. And maybe they’ll go as far as holding a grudge but maybe they can do the former and not consider it a grudge. Because grudges aren’t healthy. You need to forgive and move on from situations..

I consider myself very forgiving and I don’t hold grudges. If someone ****** me off enough time, sure I can won’t like them. And maybe I’ll even be disrespectful towards them until they go away. But for the most part I am friendly.
The only time I’ve ever considered holding a grudge which wouldn’t be a grudge really it would just be to protect my heart from ****** people is when my sister who is a careless whatever sign I won’t say because I don’t want things to get heated . She’s a libra moon Vedic and a cancer sun tropical. My Sagittarius stallion tropical ex or Scorpio stellkjm vedic ex which perfectly matched my descendent who was the perfect dude for me I’ve ever met In my entire life...
I just remember thinking if they got together, it would hurt me so badly that I would never speak to my sister again. It would take years to even consider talking to her again or even thinking about her in a positive way. You just don’t do that to family. You should never do that to anyone ever really. Especially me. I’m a good person... lol </3

But another time I considered holding a grudge was from friends who ghosted on me. These are people who are supposed to be my life long friends. And they put no effort into the relationship ever. I understand we have different lives and live in different parts of the state. Having our own jobs and duties to attend to.. but they literally put no effort. Not even a single text after months. If I don’t reach out to them they’d never talk to me. I’m not the type of person who is going to wait a millennia until you want something from me so you can come use me for your selfish needs. Say it’s a hang out session when really mahbe you needed something.
Well duck that. I’m not about that. For a long time I’ve lived in the past and even in a sense this is still n the past but it still affects me in a way. I still love and care for them. But I’m not going to be put on the back burner for when you feel like being a decent person....
Also btw it’s not a grudge it’s just a necessary ending. I’m so good at endings now. The best part of getting older.

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I would send a text to those 'friends' to meet up, hide behind a bush to watch for them, then stand them up, then ghost them.