posted August 18, 2018 05:15 PM            

I am erratic and restless, addicted to romantic love and the initial phase of the relationship. Once I am in a committed relationship I will go back and forth and initiate break ups bc I cannot make up my mind about wanting to be in a relationship. Like I will pursue been in a relationship but once in it will question it and become restless and start to self-sabotage it. That has been my negative cycle historically.

With Venus conjunct Mars in Leo in the 8th I am realizing my idea of romantic love is different from others. Like for me romantic love is strongly connected to desire, passion and merging your soul with someone through erotic love (valentine, eros, vertex are all in the 8th as well) but a lot of people like my partner have a different view of romantic love like he doesn't connect it to sex, he thinks I am the love of his life even though our sex life sucks.

DC in Gemini
Mercury Rx in virgo opposite Moon both squaring my Nodes.
Venus conjunct Mars in Leo in the 8th
Chart ruler jupiter conjunct uranus sentagon venus conjunct mars.

posted August 18, 2018 05:16 PM            

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I have venus in Pisces... (mic drop)

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
....and the crowd goes wild!!!!

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posted August 18, 2018 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by mercuryflow:
I think I make a pretty good date. Lotsa fun. It's when it hits relationship phase that I get more difficult.
I have a taurus mercury in the 12th house, I really don't wanna talk about how I feel, especially if it isn't good. I have a cap moon, **** me off and I'll be cold as cold can be, and you'll never know why!

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awwww that shutting down kills me , you have tell me why you are mad or sad.

posted August 18, 2018 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
awwww that shutting down kills me , you have tell me why you are mad or sad.

But I do love moon in cap, I find them so strong, mature and resilient.

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posted August 18, 2018 10:01 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
^Don't forget sun in Leo.

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Oh yeah I got another one for that too!

I will literally bite someone's head if they dare look at another woman while I'm talking to them. That's my ASC-sun combo talking LOL

Your world must revolve around me when we're out together and while I'm talking. Otherwise, bye Felicia 👋😂

And then I also have Cancer moon in the 1st. I always have fantasies in my head of **** shaming a girl in public if someone I was dating cheated on me with them. And also dumping a glass of liquid on both said retards.

posted August 19, 2018 12:53 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

I am erratic and restless, addicted to romantic love and the initial phase of the relationship. Once I am in a committed relationship I will go back and forth and initiate break ups bc I cannot make up my mind about wanting to be in a relationship. Like I will pursue been in a relationship but once in it will question it and become restless and start to self-sabotage it. That has been my negative cycle historically.

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I am glad that you feel better

That Venus/Mars conjunction in Leo packs quite a punch huh? I know that celebrity Tim Tebow also has the conjunction. And he says that he is a virgin who is saving himself for marriage.

Another celeb I know with this combo was a Survivor SA contestant. He also had Moon in Aries and walked around the island with a speedo Fantastic body though

Men/Women with this combo have confidence for days. Even when Virgo/Pisces is the Moon. They dare to do the most showy things.

I also connect Leo with drama and theatre. And I do recall us talking about being addicted to love or the adrenaline that falling in love brings?

Leo/Cancer on the cusp can bring a lot of focus in that area of life. Thus making it an area of great importance and its fulfillment very necessary.

Could the reason why Leo Venus/Mars remain eternal "children" in love be because they often think of whirlwind romances as love?

And the "fixed" nature of Leo suggests that it is hard to change their minds about that.

On some level, I can relate. As I have Leo on the 5th house cusp. My father also has the conjunction of Venus/Mars conjunct Pluto. So he is a serial skirt chaser who has had affairs with married women (Pluto danger) etc.

Well that is until things get too settled. Too "mundane" on the love front. Then he wants out. Otherwise he loves the drama that the initial encounter has.

And with your DC in Gemini(Brad Pitt has DC in Gemini too and regardless of his Cap stellium, has been unable to maintain his marriage) the restlessness within partnerships can increase.

Gemini can go with the flow for a while(Jen status quo). But that's until someone up their alley comes along and shakes things up(Angelina situation).

Then things can get very complex for them. And they can be torn between the loyalty to partnership or loyalty to their own feelings.

posted August 19, 2018 01:07 AM            

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Originally posted by mercuryflow:
I think I make a pretty good date. Lotsa fun. It's when it hits relationship phase that I get more difficult.
I have a taurus mercury in the 12th house, I really don't wanna talk about how I feel, especially if it isn't good. I have a cap moon, **** me off and I'll be cold as cold can be, and you'll never know why!

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I gather the Moon in Cap is either in 8th or 9th? I don't see Cap as friendly in short term love relationships or dating circumstances...period! Lol

I find them friendlier or more cordial in a work environment or formal setting like marriage. Where ironically enough they tend to loosen up over time.

Dated a Cap Moon with Sun in Libra...quiet and reserved most times. Could never tell what was going on in his head (add to that Merc in Scorpio).

Merc in Taurus can be similar in being reserved. And this is often a stumbling block for a relationship-as it is really all about communication.

So when in the 12th, Mercury lives in the crevices of the mind and can imagine conversations that never took place. Or fail to say something that the partner can fully understand etc.

I think with both these reserved placements in your chart,so finding someone who is confident in their own communication skills and not needing much input from you, can do.

My thinking is that your hubby probably has a strong Mercury or Merc in Leo/ conjunct the Sun?

posted August 19, 2018 01:16 AM            

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I get annoying when I'm bored or when we don't go out 🤷🏻 I will keep nagging you to do something fun with me. I need constant entertainment more than attention or affection. Also, I talk a lot and I can't stand people who don't appreciate memes.

Gemini ASC, Virgo Mercury conjunct Venus in the 3rd. Mars in Libra in the 5th.

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I realise that I don't talk quite as much or as frequently as I thought. It all depends on my mood(Moon in 3rd)

But I agree with you on memes. I love those and enjoy receiving and communicating with them lol.

What you said on the 2nd part resonated too. I get jealous if my partner shows someone else attention whilst I am there.

I think it courteous to give me that respect. As I would never show my partner that kind of disrespect by drooling on someone else whilst they(partner) are there.

posted August 19, 2018 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I gather the Moon in Cap is either in 8th or 9th? I don't see Cap as friendly in short term love relationships or dating circumstances...period! Lol

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Yep, it's in the 8th house! I have gemini asc, sun and mars, so at first i'm quite outgoing, friendly, adventurous (have a lot of sag influence as well.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Merc in Taurus can be similar in being reserved. And this is often a stumbling block for a relationship-as it is really all about communication.

So when in the 12th, Mercury lives in the crevices of the mind and can imagine conversations that never took place. Or fail to say something that the partner can fully understand etc.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I think with both these reserved placements in your chart,so finding someone who is confident in their own communication skills and not needing much input from you, can do.

My thinking is that your hubby probably has a strong Mercury or Merc in Leo/ conjunct the Sun? Perhaps even mercury on Jupiter? Because these people will often predict or "tell" what you mean by your grunts and ambiguous words without much coaching.

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posted August 20, 2018 12:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I am glad that you feel better

My father also has the conjunction of Venus/Mars conjunct Pluto. So he is a serial skirt chaser who has had affairs with married women (Pluto danger) etc.

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posted August 20, 2018 12:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Well that is until things get too settled. Too "mundane" on the love front. Then he wants out. Otherwise he loves the drama that the initial encounter has.

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posted August 20, 2018 05:24 AM            

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It was scrumptious to read your response. Yes, I believe you and my sister are born days apart I think

The fear I had when young was falling out with people or not being well thought of.

As I get older, I am embracing the Moon-Mars square. As its too much effort to hold the anger in.

I think its honest, uncensored feelings. There is definitely something raw about it. But it can also be childlike-in that there is oversensitivity.

There is a guy who likes me. But I don't really feel much for him. Or at least I have not noticed him.

He is very handsome,attractive blah blah blah. But I find him " conventional " and uninteresting.

He is easily shocked and is very "green" when it comes to life experience (regardless of the fact that he is older than I am)

I notice that its the "rawness" he likes about me. He says I am sexy. I think its the Moon/Mars he sees. Perhaps even the Mars on my Asc? Can't be sure.

But he says, I bring "fire" into interactions. That I could be talking about something simple. But it sounds so exciting...hmmmm

In any case, I think that Mars adds passion that can spill over to aggression. If carried too far.

The Moon square Asc you spoke of is the inability to integrate the inner aspect of who you are(Moon) with your external experience(Asc)

People who have Moon conj Asc or Moon trine/sextile ascendant readily embrace the Moon and see their emotional expression as part of who they are.

They don't look with shame in as far as expressing their more "feminine" nature. Even the males will be emotionally expressive in their relationship. And they will not see this expression as negating their "manhood".

With the Moon-Asc square/opposition. The discomfort of your feelings " getting in the way" of you expressing yourself, can show.

These people can seem to "fly off the handle". And whilst this can also happen with the easier aspects too. The square attaches shame and self criticism to being an emotional " wreck" etc.

Men who have this aspect don't want to cry or recognise their inner femininity. Whilst women with this aspect think the expression of their feminine side too "cliche".

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There is so many aspects and nuances, everytime I'm like "Ok so I really understand how my moon-mars acts and I have now fully graped what this aspect is about, know I can move on to that venus-jupiter aspect of mine" etc and then I will always get back to that mar-moon or whatever aspect it was, that I thought I was graping, but well, I was wrong, I still have soo many things to learn about it.

The journey to understand oneself, especially through astrology as a tool, seems like an neverending journey... its frustrating!

I understand exactly what you mena by "raw" and by "childish". I also use the definition "genuine" and "straight forward".
The rawnness that guy sees in you, is your fellings being on display, they are genuine, unconcealed. This is something most people find exciting, especially since there is so many people who are fake, ungenuine, false and just pretends and wears masks.

Sometimes its really called for, when one feels exposed, or its just not the right time to show emotions.

With mars-moon. well the timing is off I think.

I will show what I feel even if its not apropiate time and place for it. Genuine, well yes, but thats why it can come off as childish, because like a child, one does not seem to be capable of holding in ones "reactions".

posted August 20, 2018 05:52 AM            

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The Moon square Asc you spoke of is the inability to integrate the inner aspect of who you are(Moon) with your external experience(Asc)

People who have Moon conj Asc or Moon trine/sextile ascendant readily embrace the Moon and see their emotional expression as part of who they are.

They don't look with shame in as far as expressing their more "feminine" nature. Even the males will be emotionally expressive in their relationship. And they will not see this expression as negating their "manhood".

With the Moon-Asc square/opposition. The discomfort of your feelings " getting in the way" of you expressing yourself, can show.

These people can seem to "fly off the handle". And whilst this can also happen with the easier aspects too. The square attaches shame and self criticism to being an emotional " wreck" etc.

Men who have this aspect don't want to cry or recognise their inner femininity. Whilst women with this aspect think the expression of their feminine side too "cliche".

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This part really got me into thinking about, how one shows emotions, and the fact, that I don't really know how people percieve me.

Then I just now watched a youtube video about moon in MC people, and FINALLY! an astrologer that does not blabbing about "moon people here is very career focused, fame" blabla. I have a hard time finding real information about how moon in Mc/10th "feels" like. This is not how for ex a 8th house moon is treated as a subject btw,.

Anyways, its a great video by Wayman Stewart.

Back to what you are so greatly describing
"With the Moon-Asc square/opposition. The discomfort of your feelings " getting in the way" of you expressing yourself, can show.".

I have always been very ok with being an emotional female. I have not given much thought about this but now you got me thinking.

I have a trine from my Virgo Asc to my sun and Mercury. So My Identity-Sun flows easily through my asc. But my moon for ex squares that same Asc. So this seems like a conflict?

And I guess that makes people see you as a well put together, calm female. But then they get to see that mars-moon, and yes its a mess!

I have never felt "discomfort" about showing my emotions openly. I like being raw, Upfront and real with my fellings and to show them in a forward manner “

but now when you mention it,
The way a Mars-moon puts forward emotions, (and I mean , sadness, anger, frustration and disappointment, negative emotions) is in a very forward masculine energy way.

And I think that really clashes with my Asc-sun trine. People first see a sweet innocent girl, but then she gets frustrated about something, and yeah its not pretty.

Yes that square moon to Asc, does feel like my emotions is being blocked and I have to "release them" with full force! I think its also bc have Saturn opposite to moon-mars, one foot on the break, one on the gas, so yes it creates a lots of momentum and internal struggle!

I do feel discomfort, but not about my emotions, just about the "masculine" energy I use to unleash them openly. Or that internal struggle.

I am very feminine, a tomboy at heart but nothing that can be seen externally, from outside I'm calm and shy/reserved virgo.

I like being raw and genuine! Also I wanna be able to show my emotions in a way thats so soft and feminine, like a wounded bird, but with pride intact.

But my energy seems to be the opposite so people just gets defensive, or well they misunderstand me constantly or think I'm too over the top or childish.

I just wanna be held and told "Its ok, I'm here, I got you"

Anyways I have to ponder some more about this! Thank you Aries23! I really wish we could all meet in real life! <3

posted August 20, 2018 01:05 PM            

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Exactly BUT I don't like drama, I like the passion. I worry moving in kills the passion but with this guy he works so much I would long for him even if we lived together possibly. When someone is at home all the time though it will "get too settled" as you mentioned. What I hate about marriage is this "till death do us part" like talk about pressure and feeling trapped. If I do get married again my vows will say "till either one of us no longer wants to keep trying." I think both people should work in a relationship unless you have kids then is understandable if one stays home.

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Well as a Saturn-Venus in Scorpio. I can certainly understand the need for quality over quantity.

My view of marriage hasn't changed much over the years. Its the same way I feel about friendships: everything in moderation.

I have not been excited with the idea of coupling up for a very long time. This despite Moon in Cancer and Libra Mars both being signs of "coupling".

Jupiter can certainly expand ones world and be inclusive of others. And that is why Jupiter is seen as the " spouse " planet. Because it certainly has one "open up" Tp others more.

To me, that is all in the conceptual sense of friendship, career and mental affinity (Merc-Jup parallel). But its not in love relationships.

I " imagine" I am expanding mentally. But it seems my love life stays unchanged and unmoved(Saturn on Venus and Mars on the 7th)

But don't imagine Leo being the same. I would think the Leo energy would have one drink life wine with the glass spilling over lol.

But we also spoke of your Venus in 8th. So perhaps that is where the "toning down" is at. As Venus in 8th house like Scorpio Venus or Pluto/Venus,takes love very seriously.

posted August 20, 2018 02:42 PM            

Wouldn't that he awesome? To meet? Lol

There are so many sides to this. But it warrants revisiting each time because another layer can be revealed that was once overlooked.

I look at the Asc as ones "default" mode. Its who we are when we are not "aware".

I have never looked at it as a 'mask'. But rather the new,spontaneous unfolding of the self(1st). Especially when no planets are there to filter its expression.

Asc in Aries is the loner ime. And this is me in default mode.

The square of Moon in Cancer to the Asc sort of " forces " the Asc to form a sense of community with the external world and not be so "I came here alone. I will die alone" about life.

So when I spoke of being "uncomfortable" expressing feelings. I meant to say being uncomfortable or resistant to express that I "need" others or want them as a part of my world.

For someone who has the Asc in Cancer and squaring Moon in Aries, they could have it in reverse.

The Moon in their case would be pushing them to express a more self-driven and "solo" flying inner nature.

So their feelings(wanting freedom from obligatory ties-Aries) gets in the way of their default mode(Cancer Asc).

Maybe they often feel like their inner feelings hurt those close to them. But there is frustration if the inner needs are not adhered to.

There is the feeling of being torn between not wanting to have people crowd them(Moon in Aries). But also wanting to be surrounded by warmth and protection from the get go(Asc in Cancer).

I am torn between wanting warmth and protection(Moon in Cancer). But also feeling that this need will wear my self expression and freedom down(Asc in Aries).

Either way one puts its, the square of Moon to Asc may suggest problems in relationships i.e a come hither/go away duality that ebbs and flows.

I for instance have Mars opp to Asc. So that means that I tend to swing back/forth between my default mode(Aries-not wanting company) and my relating mode(Libra-being with company).

But as my Leo mate once noted, the latter(Libra mode) does not last. As he once said " you get tired of people and soon want your own company I think. So you withdraw from them even longer. Which makes your friendships with them temporary really."

I think this could very well be what I do from the Mars in 7th opp Asc perspective. As I am seldom aware of my default mode and so to have it brought up to my attention like that, does help in understanding myself better.

posted August 20, 2018 07:52 PM            

I can come off as cold, but trust me, I am not at all. If a situation is elevated as crisis or danger mode, I shut off emotion. It's not gone, it's internal. But when I feel safe, it comes pouring out.

I am scorpio rising, and with cancer sun, I spend a lot of time and energy surveying the situation and testing for safety.

Interesting too bcs Moon Mars aspects are being discussed. My cap moon trines my Virgo Mars. I think this softens me a little. I am not as rigid as I could be. And I can be a little more impulsive than a typical Cap. But really all of my personal planets are aspecting each other. So none of my planets are isolated enough to be singled out.

posted August 21, 2018 01:19 PM            

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Cap moon is really taking the heat here!

I can come off as cold, but trust me, I am not at all. If a situation is elevated as crisis or danger mode, I shut off emotion. It's not gone, it's internal. But when I feel safe, it comes pouring out.

I am scorpio rising, and with cancer sun, I spend a lot of time and energy surveying the situation and testing for safety.

Interesting too bcs Moon Mars aspects are being discussed. My cap moon trines my Virgo Mars. I think this softens me a little. I am not as rigid as I could be. And I can be a little more impulsive than a typical Cap. But really all of my personal planets are aspecting each other. So none of my planets are isolated enough to be singled out.

I had to think about the Cap moon not being able to lighten up until in marriage. I think that can be somewhat true for sure. It's about safety and security. So marriage could just mean committed relationship, but once you know you are safe, you can be more free.

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The crisis mode handler is typical Scorpio Rising. This is you without trying.

Are the Sun/Moon in opposition natally? Because the aspect would suggest the soft heart protected by the rigid outer exterior characteristic of this aspect.

But yes,Cap Moon does tend to relax in more protected setting like a secure marriage. I get that.

I myself find that I am more fun and gracious when in a steady or relaxed environment that is secure. Especially over time.

The serious tone of Cap can put people off however. Making it seem that you are humorless.

Add to that Scorpio Asc and the intensity of the initial personality can be intimidating and can make other people not aware that there is a soft side.