posted August 21, 2018 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by mercuryflow:
I love my cap moon! i can handle the storms. it's a rock in my family. and has been passed down from my grandma (maybe beyond) to my father, brother, my son and me

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Its an awesome moon. I greatly admire them from a distance.

posted August 21, 2018 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by colorful butterfly:
My moon in Libra conjunct pluto in the first house and Cancer sun in the 10th. I'm usually good till I feel like I am about to be screwed over and it always comes out as screw you. I have to really sit down and think about what or where are things really coming from and why I am ****** which is usually because I am flustered at what to do or worse there is nothing I can do about the situation.

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Libra Moon ime doesn't do well with heavy emotions of anger,rage,frustration or any extremes. My experince is my own Mars in Libra. I just want things crdial and nice all the time

posted August 21, 2018 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Lalafortunaea:
I'm a mystery even to myself. I've a pretty afflicted Venus. I've read about it, and sometimes it doesn't make sense, sometimes it does. I think it's sometimes easier for us to accurately judge another person's chart, but not our own.

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Yes. We are essentially blind to our own chart. But may gain insight examining another's chart through ourselves(if that makes any sense)

A lot of times I "recognize" myself or traits I have through another i.e celebrity, friend etc. Then I am able to say "So this is what that aspect is all about".

posted August 24, 2018 04:28 AM            

Yes you are right! Its all about layers, one has to uncover them and its not a linear process! Often one gain new insights and only then they will be able to revaluate or see the new layers one did not see before. We have many blindspots to ourselves.

One learne more about oneself by interacting with other people though. Through relating to others. I have not had many chances to that, because all my friends are living in an other country. We keep in touch, but we have grown apart really. They are with family and kids. I'm single and uni student.

Only this last 1 year I have learned so much about myself, when I made 2 new friends and got a crush on one of them. It has been very intense, being plutonic, it really made me crash and burne. anyways it ade me gain so many new insights about myself and others, and astrology and you guys have been a great great help!

Yes I use the keyword mask about Asc but I too know its not correct at all. The asc sign will "flavour" the whole chart! All the planets and houses will have that asc flavour and energy like a red line. I have only asc in virgo. But when I read about virgo venus, or mars or moon etc, they all feel like me along with their own signs, houses and aspects. They get the virgo flavour bc virgo is the asc.

I did not know Aries was a loner? Since its fire element, but yeah makes sense. Its the "warrior" the leader, its always alone, being a leader...

I loved reading the parts about how you think you relate to people. That really can frustrate your friends I think. How you want company and then wanna be alone.

I can relate to that. I have moon oppo uranus. I often push people away "detach", its because I'm an introvert and wanna charge my batteries by being alone and think/relax. But I will accuse my friend for being aloof and detached, when infact my moon-uranus or whatever pushes them away for ex.

posted August 24, 2018 04:29 AM            

I hope you can find someone with the same moon-mars-asc configurations to talk about your energies! It is really exciting finding someone with same aspects, to compare with. But I have to say, so far those I have met that even is born the same day or days apart from me, well we seem to handle/express and experience the energies differently. That has been a disappointment to me haha!

My crush has moon in 1th house in Aries. He has 3 signs in his 1th house (aqua rising).

His moon in 1th is square to his Mars in 11th. His Mars is capricorn.

I do feel like he comes and goes between having very open sincery childlike genuine expressions, and between being cold and like he wanna protect and not show his feelings. But One can see in his expressions when he holds back, he gets a special vulnerable expression. He can't hide it! Yes he may swich off his aries side, but one can see that is what he is doing.

Even when he is in a detached closed off mood, cold and no warmth, he looks so vulnurable, I just wanna hug him haha! Even though he is so muscular, he is never intimidating.

Poor thing has no strong pluto/scorpio at all, he never can have a b..tch face or "stay away from me or I'll cut you!" face haha, that what I have, a nice and cold b..tch face if you have made me upset or wounded me...

posted August 24, 2018 05:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
I can relate to that. I have moon oppo uranus. I often push people away "detach", its because I'm an introvert and wanna charge my batteries by being alone and think/relax. But I will accuse my friend for being aloof and detached, when infact my moon-uranus or whatever pushes them away for ex.

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Exactly!!

I love love love just sitting alone and asking myself about myself.

The fear I sometimes have is being so used to being alone, that I don't know what its like to be part of a couple.

posted August 24, 2018 05:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Libra Moon ime doesn't do well with heavy emotions of anger,rage,frustration or any extremes. My experince is my own Mars in Libra. I just want things crdial and nice all the time

So Pluto on that Moon I would imagine feels like you are an interior designer living within the grey and rugged area of an army compound. Lol

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Oh my- I so know about the Libra Mars wanting everything to be nice! My good friend is a Leo with a Libra mars and she is like this. Sets aside (most) of her Leo needs to keep peace- for a little while anyway! And I know a Libra Venus that quite happily sacrifices what she wants to please others. The only Libra I have is Pluto, so balance and keeping things nice and tidy is not my thing! Hahaha!

posted August 24, 2018 05:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
The crisis mode handler is typical Scorpio Rising. This is you without trying.

Are the Sun/Moon in opposition natally? Because the aspect would suggest the soft heart protected by the rigid outer exterior characteristic of this aspect.

But yes,Cap Moon does tend to relax in more protected setting like a secure marriage. I get that.

I myself find that I am more fun and gracious when in a steady or relaxed environment that is secure. Especially over time.

The serious tone of Cap can put people off however. Making it seem that you are humorless.

Add to that Scorpio Asc and the intensity of the initial personality can be intimidating and can make other people not aware that there is a soft side.

Aishraya Rai has Scorpio Sun/Cap Moon. And even though she is hailed as one of the most beautiful women in existence. She doesn't come across warm or inviting to me And that's the Cap Moon I think...

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Yes, natal opposition of Sun and Moon. But I also have Jupiter on my Sun so I am a lot warmer than I could be!

Yeah, I don't know that Cap heavy people are all that intended for flings and light and breezy relationships. Though neither are water heavy people!

posted August 25, 2018 05:27 PM            

Only some have nerves to do that. (and I've never been with them)

posted August 26, 2018 12:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Somna7H:
I'm easily available but no one want take me. 0_0

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Ehm..maybe that is how you "think" you appear to others. But it could be far from true-atleast in how others see you.

Sometimes we have a blind spot to how we are received (unless Jupiter/Moon or Venus is on the angles) , we tend to leave people with not so great impressions.

posted August 26, 2018 12:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Claudine:
You just can't date me and be calm and happy.
Another day - another problem and drama or mood
Moon (conj Pluto) in Scorpio opposite Venus, Sun in Cancer etc.
plus, Mars in Virgo opposite Saturn.

Only some have nerves to do that. (and I've never been with them)

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Are you atleast aware of what brings the mood shift?

I can relate somewhat. Any challenges to the moon may alter everyday expression (esp Pluto/Mars,Uranus and Saturn)

posted August 26, 2018 04:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Claudine:
You just can't date me and be calm and happy.
Another day - another problem and drama or mood
Moon (conj Pluto) in Scorpio opposite Venus, Sun in Cancer etc.
plus, Mars in Virgo opposite Saturn.

Only some have nerves to do that. (and I've never been with them)

Wow! This would be a tough one for sure!

Moody, paranoid, super intense, perfectionist, overly cautious nature, slow to come around in love as it is....

BUT! As you get older, with the evolution you will go through, you are one hell of a deep soul! Learn how to harness that intensity and depth and no one can hold you back. And the person you do end up with will be a lucky one. Life will get better with age for you most definitely. Thats always true for Saturn people.

Do these aspects interact with each other?

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posted August 26, 2018 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Are you atleast aware of what brings the mood shift?

I can relate somewhat. Any challenges to the moon may alter everyday expression (esp Pluto/Mars,Uranus and Saturn)

I know that for instance Moon-Venus opposite wants to see only the good. When there is something they do not like, the mood changes.

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posted August 26, 2018 03:25 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Claudine:
[b]You just can't date me and be calm and happy.
Another day - another problem and drama or mood
Moon (conj Pluto) in Scorpio opposite Venus, Sun in Cancer etc.
plus, Mars in Virgo opposite Saturn.

Only some have nerves to do that. (and I've never been with them)

Wow! This would be a tough one for sure!

Moody, paranoid, super intense, perfectionist, overly cautious nature, slow to come around in love as it is....

BUT! As you get older, with the evolution you will go through, you are one hell of a deep soul! Learn how to harness that intensity and depth and no one can hold you back. And the person you do end up with will be a lucky one. Life will get better with age for you most definitely. Thats always true for Saturn people.

Do these aspects interact with each other?

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You know, no one wants to get older to being able meet someone I guess.

But you're right of course, experience plays its role.

Haha, you've described me so well! *laughs*

No, these are all separate aspects. I have more of them of course, but these bring troubles in close relationship imo.

Should I add that Sun is in 12th House as well as my Mercury? xD
But I think there is no big troubles with my 12th house. It feels okay.

But I think it's best seen from the side, one can't see themselves clearly

posted August 26, 2018 03:39 PM            

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Well as a Saturn-Venus in Scorpio. I can certainly understand the need for quality over quantity.

My view of marriage hasn't changed much over the years. Its the same way I feel about friendships: everything in moderation.

I have not been excited with the idea of coupling up for a very long time. This despite Moon in Cancer and Libra Mars both being signs of "coupling".

Jupiter can certainly expand ones world and be inclusive of others. And that is why Jupiter is seen as the " spouse " planet. Because it certainly has one "open up" Tp others more.

To me, that is all in the conceptual sense of friendship, career and mental affinity (Merc-Jup parallel). But its not in love relationships.

I " imagine" I am expanding mentally. But it seems my love life stays unchanged and unmoved(Saturn on Venus and Mars on the 7th)

But don't imagine Leo being the same. I would think the Leo energy would have one drink life wine with the glass spilling over lol.

But we also spoke of your Venus in 8th. So perhaps that is where the "toning down" is at. As Venus in 8th house like Scorpio Venus or Pluto/Venus,takes love very seriously.

I don't think my father understands love though (Cap Moon). Oh but he does "get" sex

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Man between DC in gemini and mercury rx ruling my DC opposing my MOON! and Jupiter conjunct Uranus ruling my chart (uranus rules my 3rd), I feel I am a bit all over the place (my mind), restless and erratic when it comes to love BUT with moon ruling my 8th and venus and mars in leo in the 8th I do looove deeply and passionately when I fall in love and is authentic but I am a bit of a mess. Its an odd combination of energies for sure that kind of contradict themselves. Uranian guys seem to be equipped to be patient with me apparently.

I am one confusing Sweet B*tch who is a sucker (moon in pisces).

posted August 26, 2018 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Claudine:
You know, no one wants to get older to being able meet someone I guess.

But you're right of course, experience plays its role.

Haha, you've described me so well! *laughs*

No, these are all separate aspects. I have more of them of course, but these bring troubles in close relationship imo.

Should I add that Sun is in 12th House as well as my Mercury? xD
But I think there is no big troubles with my 12th house. It feels okay.

But I think it's best seen from the side, one can't see themselves clearly

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I'm a Cap Moon and a full 10th house, so I feel your pain! Also water and earth with lots of Virgo. I'm still waiting.

posted August 26, 2018 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
I'm a Cap Moon and a full 10th house, so I feel your pain! Also water and earth with lots of Virgo. I'm still waiting.

I think I'm perfectly dateable- it's everyone else out there who isn't! LOL!

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posted August 27, 2018 08:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

I look at the Asc as ones "default" mode. Its who we are when we are not "aware".

I have never looked at it as a 'mask'. But rather the new,spontaneous unfolding of the self(1st). Especially when no planets are there to filter its expression.

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Hm, I used to look at ASC as a mask, especially when other chart placements don't support ASC sign.
Could you please elaborate more on ASC?
I thought it is something that we show to the world as kinda our image or costume
It is what you see when you don't know a person very well.
But! at the same time, you can't say that a person doesn't have their asc traits at all.
so it's kinda confusing.

ps sorry for offtopic

posted August 27, 2018 09:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Claudine:

Hello
Thank you for the interesting thread. It is fun to read and share.

Hm, I used to look at ASC as a mask, especially when other chart placements don't support ASC sign.
Could you please elaborate more on ASC?
I thought it is something that we show to the world as kinda our image or costume
It is what you see when you don't know a person very well.
But! at the same time, you can't say that a person doesn't have their asc traits at all.
so it's kinda confusing.

ps sorry for offtopic

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Hey there.

I disagree with the sentiment that the Asc is a mask. As a "mask" suggests conscious awareness. Awareness that means one can take the mask "off" at any time.

Why do some people make the worst 1st impressions? Surely if the Asc is the doorstep upon which one interacts with the world. And the doorstep(Asc) is a "mask", that means that those who make the worst 1st impression can take that mask "off" i.e people can "help" the impression they make on others. Which is not true.

But if the 1st house is default mode or who we are without being edited or "trying". It starts to fit the "keep it real" persona that is Mars(1st house ruler)

The other incorrect assumption I think is that one should "feel" the Asc. So unless the Moon/Mars or Sun is on the Asc, I don't see how that can be logical.

If Aries is the Sun sign, one strongly identifies with being upfront/in your face and "cards on table" type of person.

But the world experiences them through the Asc. So if the Asc is Libra, many do not see this more assertive, upfront and straightforward person that the above person believes they are projecting

If there is a close opposition aspect between the Sun and the Asc, the individual may feel that life is far more complicated than the Aries straightforward nature of the Sun might suggest.

For instance with Lib Asc, the default mode is to greet others with a smile, get along and establish ties. So the individual attracts people who like their palatable and agreeable Asc position.

In these relationships however, there is frustration for the person as their direct Aries Sun nature-which they strongly identify with-finds unstable expression.

An example of this playing out is with a colleague (Aries Sun). He is a talkative chap and cordial. Quite good looking and attractive to many people.

I guessed Venus rising there and wasn't surprised to learn he is Libra Asc.

Now the Sun came through when I learned that he likes to brag about how assertive he is and how he doesn't take cr***. I immediately thought Aries Sun because the Sun is what we are proud to show off.

The Moon I found to be in Pisces. Again no surprise there because he paints artwork and talks passionately about his creations. But he doesn't let it be known that he is into art(macho Aries Sun clash).

Today another colleague asked to sit with him. But we(myself and other colleagues) made an agreement to discuss our farewell at break.

I suggested to him that he needs to tell the other colleague that he has made other commitments. That he will see them (colleague) on Tuesday. And he swore he would.

After waiting for him for an hour to return from informing the other colleague, we decided to go ahead without him.

The bell rang and the colleague who'd asked him to sit with him walked past us and we asked him where our friend was. To which he responded that he'd assumed that he'd spent break with us.

I found him later in the staff room eating alone i.e his real desire was for solitude (Aries) .But he didn't want to let people down (Asc Lib) by letting them know it. He explained to me that he didn't want the awkwardness (Pisces Moon).

I laughed at the whole situation as it occurred to me that the Sun (Aries) is what he wanted to be. But his default mode(Lib Asc) didn't give him much motivation. And so he went with the safest feeling option (Moon) of avoidance (Pisces)

posted August 27, 2018 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
I'm a Cap Moon and a full 10th house, so I feel your pain! Also water and earth with lots of Virgo. I'm still waiting. *grin*

I think I'm perfectly dateable- it's everyone else out there who isn't! LOL!

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I like that!!!!

Taurus Venus H5 opp Saturn Scorpio-rx H11
Later degree Virgo Moon!
Stellium 8th House Cancer..
MarsCancer-MercuryGemini o.o.s. conjunction H7 square my information & details Moon in philosopher's house H(9)leo.
..Jupiter chart ruler in Cancer H8, sextile moon
Jupiter-Uranus Cancer conjunction

Saturn H11 trine Vesta Cancer and The 8th House cusp
Mars Cancer H7gem trine Juno-rx Scorpio H11
.. (song) Hopelessly Devoted? to you/family/tribe/group/project! LOL

Can falsely appear (to some) as though I have a cold hard-edged exterior.. that's just because I'm sooo incredibly deep, and I have a shyness that people can miss. Maybe it's my subconscious putting up walls of protection too?, because thing is, I have a very sensitive compassionate observing, melty innercore.

I love to talk a LOT (at times), or else, do the opposite and be so silent. I relish intellectual conversations and wouldn't hesitate to 'debate'-someone on certain issues? LOL

But I'm completely-totally huggy, kind, humorous, and Loveable!!!

posted August 28, 2018 12:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Claudine:
Aries23Degrees,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and knowledge.
I think I get it now, so ASC is like one of the sides of one's nature.
The example with your colleague perfectly demonstrates how it works.

My concerns were based on the thing, that sometimes people judge me by my ASC as I think and then later they realize that I am kinda not a person that they thought I would be. Or it's just all their projections. Idk.
Maybe, a lot of people face that problem?

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Yes. The 1st house cusp rules 1st impressions. And the planets there modify it.

A Venus conjunct the Asc for instance(even when martial Aries rising) gets away with a lot more assertion than would otherwise be the case if Mars was conjunct the Asc.

So people experience how attractive the individual is from the get go(default)

You ever met someone who seemed so "rough and tumble" (say Scorpio rising)but oh so attractive and magnetic?

Even as you are drawn to their more butch appearance, you can't help but feel affection for them?

That individual could have Moon/Venus or Jupiter in aspect to the Asc. The Asc is modified by planets in aspect to it.

But it need not be a disadvantage I tell ya. As much as we can't help the Asc, we can let people know with a comical "Look, usually I don't make the great first impression" when on a date. And get them to relax into us more

Especially when we seem to get feedback from people that is consistent i.e that we seem threatening, antagonistic or brusque even if we are not meaning to be (Sun)

But the magical part of the Asc is because it is such a "doorway" to our instinctive, unfiltered expression, in synastry it is MAGIC.

The Moon Virgo/ Venus in Virgo or Mars in Virgo person will be drawn to you if you have say Virgo Asc. As they will see your "real" expression of yourself as refreshing and honest(especially the Moon person)

With Venus/Mars, the attraction could be more physical. With the Venus individual being the one to project all sorts of fantasies about you that they interact with as they interact with you.

The Asc is unapologetic and wants total acceptance from the individual. Because unlike the Sun, it is not based in what we are trying to be from an ego level(Sun).

Nor is it like the Moon which serves to defend its subjective experiences and navigate from an internal compass through life through societal conditioning.

The Asc is this moment NOW. It asks not for one to be "prepared"/or dwell in imaginings of the ego(Sun) nor what was(Moon). It calls for the new moment now, now,now.