posted August 28, 2018 07:07 AM            

{to continue}
I have a Sag Rising, with intercepted 3rd Pisces and 9th Virgo {where my Moon is}. My Sun is Gemini in the 6th House (Taurus cusp) a few degrees below the Gemini Descendant, opposite my Sag Ascendant. I have Aries on the 4th.

For me, my inner-response to a 'shallow' dater is that I find it soooo freakin' boring that I'd try to screen those out BEFORE the attempt. Don't even bother wasting nor spending any time, effort, or money there.

If you 'ain't got no Depths' ~~~ LOL
{expression, colloquialism} then how can you be a part of my Intimate world? ...

If you can't understand and connect with my soul in a 'Renaissance-person' kind of way, with an assortment of interesting layers to you, then that's going to be a hollow cave of disappointment once again, of my time! *crickets* .. even though YOU might go away having enjoyed the attention I just gave you.
.. I feel I could have been utilizing my time better by being at home alone studying, or watching an intensely interesting movie all-by-myself.
.. But then too-- for your sake, I would have just exposed you to some kind of thought, philosophy, or energy you never experienced before. Time with me would have broadened you in some way (hopefully).

No Fluff, Fakes, or the Flaky -- if you're going to pique and hold my deep and personal interests!!!!!!

Sure, I love to discuss paranormal, and metaphysical realms, theories, religion, but in an actual-real way {and 'real' folks will understand what I just said}. Conspiracies?? ~meh--depends!-- as long as it's not flat-earth, and political birther types, and unbelievably dogmatic narrow believers (of any type)??
.. If you're a racist-- grrrrrrrr. Get the hell out of my sight!!

^ I'll politely kindly listen and add to all points of view-- though you'll NOT be on my return-visit list. LOL

You've GOT to have an extraordinary sense of humor, and an ability to appreciate the Art of sardonic wit sometimes.

Someone seasoned in life... and broad and mature in things of Higher Spirituality and Consciousness-- soul in-touch with a Love of God.

Fine senses. Refined character.
Great manners {but not a stickler..}.

Kindness. Warm Lovingkindness. Generous, Magnanimous.

Of Deep Understanding..
for my feral complicated creative, reticent yet stronger-nature.
Someone good at making decisions, yet amenable and flexible.

- http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Renaissance+man

(music) Clair de lune (Gabriel Faure, Paul Verlaine, perf by Régine Crespin, 1966; lyrics) [3:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqEmrptDJtA

posted August 28, 2018 08:21 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
^ Interesting, Aries23Degrees.

{to continue}
I have a Sag Rising, with intercepted 3rd Pisces and 9th Virgo {where my Moon is}. My Sun is Gemini in the 6th House (Taurus cusp) a few degrees below the Gemini Descendant, opposite my Sag Ascendant. I have Aries on the 4th.

For me, my inner-response to a 'shallow' dater is that I find it soooo freakin' boring that I'd try to screen those out BEFORE the attempt. Don't even bother wasting nor spending any time, effort, or money there.

If you 'ain't got no Depths' ~~~ LOL
{expression, colloquialism} then how can you be a part of my Intimate world? ...

If you can't understand and connect with my soul in a 'Renaissance-person' kind of way, with an assortment of interesting layers to you, then that's going to be a hollow cave of disappointment once again, of my time! *crickets* .. even though YOU might go away having enjoyed the attention I just gave you.
.. I feel I could have been utilizing my time better by being at home alone studying, or watching an intensely interesting movie all-by-myself.
.. But then too-- for your sake, I would have just exposed you to some kind of thought, philosophy, or energy you never experienced before. Time with me would have broadened you in some way (hopefully).

No Fluff, Fakes, or the Flaky -- if you're going to pique and hold my deep and personal interests!!!!!!

Sure, I love to discuss paranormal, and metaphysical realms, theories, religion, but in an actual-real way {and 'real' folks will understand what I just said}. Conspiracies?? ~meh--depends!-- as long as it's not flat-earth, and political birther types, and unbelievably dogmatic narrow believers (of any type)??
.. If you're a racist-- grrrrrrrr. Get out of my sight!!

^ I'll politely kindly listen and add to all points of view-- though you'll NOT be on my return-visit list. LOL

You've GOT to have an extraordinary sense of humor, and an ability to appreciate the Art of sardonic wit sometimes.

Someone seasoned in life... and broad and mature in things of Higher Spirituality and Consciousness-- soul in-touch with a Love of God.

Fine senses. Refined character.
Great manners {but not a stickler..}.

Kindness. Warm Lovingkindness. Generous, Magnanimous.

Of Deep Understanding..
for my feral complicated creative, reticent yet stronger-nature.
Someone good at making decisions, yet amenable and flexible.

- http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Renaissance+man

(music) Clair de lune (Gabriel Faure, Paul Verlaine, perf by Régine Crespin, 1966; lyrics) [3:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqEmrptDJtA

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I get this completely! Gemini mercury - you either sextile my Saturn or my own Mercury in Leo. Plus I think your Moon is probably trine my moon and sextile my Sun.

And I am cracking up because your intercepted third house Pisces totally colors how your Gem Mercury comes out! This makes all the sense in the world- you have such a romantic sense of expression to your words. And Gem is usually very talkative but I haven't seen it expressed the way you do before, so the Pisces 3rd house makes complete sense!

Intercepted means you can have a very Aqua feel to it too- so really your expression and communication is Aqua and Gem and Pisces! Love it!

posted August 28, 2018 08:49 AM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
I get this completely! Gemini mercury - you either sextile my Saturn or my own Mercury in Leo. Plus I think your Moon is probably trine my moon and sextile my Sun.

And I am cracking up because your intercepted third house Pisces totally colors how your Gem Mercury comes out! This makes all the sense in the world- you have such a romantic sense of expression to your words. And Gem is usually very talkative but I haven't seen it expressed the way you do before, so the Pisces 3rd house makes complete sense!

Intercepted means you can have a very Aqua feel to it too- so really your expression and communication is Aqua and Gem and Pisces! Love it!

You need an intelligent, quick witted partner who can embrace the femininity you bring to the table. Someone with depth to match your Scorpio traits, but someone who appreciates the fun free spirit in you (Sag rising).

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Wow... *fireworks1*

StoneMoon .. You've just left me undone!
{{Thanks for expressing your understanding.. (Wow).}}

(Thank you.)

posted August 28, 2018 09:42 AM            

Your ability to express yourself eloquently is a rare trait. Such a joy to read your response

The problem with intelligence however is that its much like a pocket knife: very handy and versatile. But intimidating to others because its so sharp and subtle

So naturally you search for someone to "one up" you or atleast catch your drift. Not easy!

The great thing is that as one ages,there is not so much an intense focus on how able the other is in reflecting back your best self. Less focus on the self ego in relationships. As few ever measure up anyways.

I have the same demands as you. But I find it interesting that I attract "air heads" and those who are compatible. Don't really care for me.

My ex flat out told me " I am a ******* baby. Sometimes I really find it hard to follow what you are talking about"

But does he still care for me? Absolutely. Was it enough for me? Sadly no. I wanted more.

I think my next evolving point is to learn to let other people be "other people". And not be so expectant of them to " outdo" me brain-wise.

Its really tough. I don't do dumb(must admit). But I do wish it was enough for someone to say they care for me, demonstrate that etc. Even when they are unable to keep up mentally.

Live and learn I guess. Is it really a tall order though? Sigh....

I feel you though. I really do.

posted August 28, 2018 03:45 PM            

awww, Aries- not too tall an order at all! I love your wit and you definitely need someone who can banter with you. Your mind deserves to be met on the same level. You don't need someone better, smarter, or wittier... you need someone who matches and complements you. Someone who gets your jokes and makes you laugh with his. It'll happen.

And obviously that same someone needs to be independent and confident enough to give you space and take his, but know when it's time to come back and "check on" you. He will happen.

I honestly think trying to adapt ourselves to "accept" someone else is the wrong way to go about it. We are ALL perfectly good, and if someone doesn't agree then they're not for us. We need to look for the complement. We don't wedge almost fitting puzzle pieces together to complete the picture, we keep searching for the exact piece. Isn't that dating too? HA!

posted August 29, 2018 01:34 AM            

Of course this ruins everything in the initial stages of the relationship.

posted August 29, 2018 08:08 AM            

Scorpio wants control because of distrust. Sag wants freedom from any type of "restrictions" (even those that put them in the driver seat)

Now your Moon in Sag looks at things from an overall perspective. This point of view can make them dispassionate about personal things. But passionate about philosophy,religion & value systems.

Scorpio energy (I assume your Sun), is naturally suspicious and distrustful. It wants intense involvement in all things involving the self(Sun). Not one to be caught off-guard.

How does one balance intense involvement with everything (Scorpio) with dispassionate thinking in all things(Sag)?

If you can find a way. Tell me.

I have Scorpio Venus with Sag Sun. I am often tempted to research thoroughly those I am intimately involved with so as to anticipate their actions(Venus)

But there is also the optimistic more trusting side of myself that wants to let things unfold naturally(Sun)

I really however see Scorpio Venus conjunct Saturn dominate with sex. As this part of the relationship deals with intimacy.I simply cannot be blaze` about whom I sleep with

posted August 29, 2018 10:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@Mirage29

Your ability to express yourself eloquently is a rare trait. Such a joy to read your response *thumbsup*

The problem with intelligence however is that it's much like a pocket knife: very handy and versatile. But intimidating to others because its so sharp and subtle

So naturally you search for someone to "one up" you or atleast catch your drift. Not easy!

The great thing is that as one ages,there is not so much an intense focus on how able the other is in reflecting back your best self. Less focus on the self ego in relationships. As few ever measure up anyways.

I have the same demands as you. But I find it interesting that I attract "air heads" *joker* and those who are compatible. Don't really care for me.

My ex flat out told me " I am a ******* baby. Sometimes I really find it hard to follow what you are talking about"

But does he still care for me? Absolutely. Was it enough for me? Sadly no. I wanted more.

I think my next evolving point is to learn to let other people be "other people". And not be so expectant of them to " outdo" me brain-wise.

Its really tough. I don't do dumb (must admit). But I do wish it was enough for someone to say they care for me, demonstrate that etc. Even when they are unable to keep up mentally.

Live and learn I guess. Is it really a tall order though? Sigh....

I feel you though. I really do.

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^ I am WITH StoneMoon and his response to you, Aries23. You DESERVE someone who can 'show' you affection AND be your intelligent-equal.

You are ripe and rife with such understanding. You deserve to meet and fall in-love with someone who can Give to you, even-more than you give to them-- With an added wish for you that you'll never be bored?! … LOL

{Aha... Maybe that's the prayer and wish for more than several of us here??}

Air-heads?!!! hahaha.. really??? LOL.
Just maybe "enjoy" that experience for the time-being?! Look at it as the Universe providing you with a restful 'contrast'? …

Actually? these energies flank your Ascendant with a sextile!

Air element signs, relative to your chart, (broadly), would appear in your 11th {friends, wishes} and possibly your 3rd {to feel as though they are 'kin'/cousins}; OR, they'd be in your 6th and 7th {part of your day-to-day; the relationships that are face-to-face and personal-to-personal?}.

Universe is looking for you to have a Good Time! LOL

{j/k, -- and!!! I want to express SUPER appreciation for EVERYTHING you ADD here to LL. You start informative, friendly, interesting, inclusive and welcoming threads!! Thank you so much.}

StoneMoon! You too-- you have some wicked {slang meaning- very smart and keen} insight into relationships and an understanding of astrology houses. Thank you very much for your quality contributions! *thumbsup*

I have a progressed Capricorn Moon now.

I love it when the Moon Progresses and changes. It means that I get an opportunity for a while to 'experience' that energy. 'Walk in your moccasins on terra-earth'!
{Not always a picnic!! but it increases my understanding, on an energy-imprint level.}

I also {do a volunteer job and} work with someone who is a super-stellium Gemini/
with Gem Asc, and a Capricorn Moon.
.. She is self-deprecating, intensely patient, and her extremely subtle expressed-humor and dry-wit is NOT wasted with me!

I 'feel' her Capricorn.. She admits to the quality of being a 'fixer'-- and a go-to for devastating insights into human personalities. She calls herself a "jaded-optimist" when it comes to people!!! LOL
.. She herself has had several married-relationships {sag desc} where you'd question in yourself for her, (in the style of 'Dr Phil'), What?!! were you thinking????!!!.

But that's the whole point... as 'genius' intellectually as she is, she wasn't 'thinking' straight at that time. She felt herself in a feeling-state of being all alone in life. She wanted another human, who said they cared for her, to lie down beside her at the end of the day!
.. Now?? She IS alone. She hadn't met her true mate, and instead buries herself in work. For a decade he has refused to give her the divorce and release from relationship she requests.. (Motive? he will be able to get her money/pension, and other perks as long as they are still together on paper ~~~ I don't know?, and I don't press her for information).
She has H7 Moon Cap, Sag Desc

So!
My Moon Virgo is 24.56 H(9)leo, and trines Ceres Capricorn rx at 25.02 H2

Mercury Gem is 27.54, conjunct my SouthNodes.
sextile Pluto Leo 24.25 H(8)canc. {I was born a week before an eclipse, then a few weeks later, a very powerful eclipse to Mercury.}

I have a Ptolemiacally unaspected Sun.

Both MercuryGem and MarsCancer H7gem
trine Neptune-rx Libra 25.50 H10
{conjunct Urania Libra 23.45}
trine 3rd House Cusp Aquarius 25.56
{conjunct 1282 Utopia Aquarius 25.59!!}

My romantic poetic 80 Sappho Pisces is 7+ H(3)aquarius, trine 390 Alma Scorpio rx 6+ {soul!}, trine 3361 Orpheus Cancer 5+!

I could go asteroid-crazy here...

My chart and life-experiences prove them.
Too many to tell, but ~freaky!!! LOL
MANY music, poetry, and significant other-arts asteroids.

During the time that tNeptune entered my 3rd House aquarius, then at 7+ Pisces, squared my Sun Gem for the LONGEST LONGEST time, (for me) it had the effect of blunting my usual intellectually very-sharp mind. I went off-line into a 'fog'. I rejoiced when tNeptune finally got enough distance from my Sun. It is at a very wide square now, almost 'off' influence.

What-effect tNeptune Pisces {now 15+rx} has had is to reinforce the more feeling and poetic part of my nature {water, and earth}.

tJupiter Scorpio is in H11 then to H12scorpio22.38!!! tNeptune Pisces staying in trine to it-- then long-term trine my 8thHouse Cancer placements.

tJupiter through my H12 Scorpio {rulerPisces} should bring out a VERY interesting energy, mystical AND poetic???, should my environment allow it. LOL.

tUranus Taurus had entered my House of Romance 5th House 0.42 Taurus.

tNeptune has been sextile my Venus Taurus 12+, trine Saturn-rx Scorpio 16+, and sextile my 2nd House Capricon Cusp 15.48 placidus}.

.. I have asteroids Manwe and Chariklo {aka, Mrs. Chiron!}, with 3762 Amaravella-rx Capricorn 15.33 {e.o. H1} in that degree-- Amaravella, {meaning, visions of a wider existence; a 'brave new world', a Vision of One!}.
.. My Chiron is rx Aqua 5+ H2cap {trines my Sun Gem, trines my Hygeia and MC Libra}

This world can be sooo ****** up!
I so dislike seeing people in pain.

My God!!… To Make A Difference in other's lives-- and help 'make it better' for some---..... ?

My idealistic Neptune-rx Libra 25+ H10-Libra2.30 ...

(music) If I Could (Barbra Streisand) [4:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QFyKnMIa_4

(music) What's It All About, Alfie? (Whitney Houston, lyrics) [3:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KCHgjMJs18

EDIT-- I truly appreciate your analogy about the 'sharp' knife, Aries23. Takes skill and practice to use it in a wise way... *bheart*.

posted August 29, 2018 10:56 AM            

{May your Heart stay 'Protected', while your mind be engaged to make Wise choices for yourselves. May you NOT be deceived. May you pay attention to ALL *red flags* and act accordingly. May you draw to yourself someone honest, genuine, sincere and True in their soul. May you be hilariously FULL-filled, and able to "grow" Together in a state of happiness.}

..

posted August 29, 2018 12:10 PM            

That was a compliment and then some... Thank you

Oh and I love that song by India Arie.

"....I am ready."

But at times I feel like Bette Midler's "The Rose"

"When the night has been too lonely.
And the road being too long.
And you think that love is only
For the lucky. And the strong!"

posted August 29, 2018 01:31 PM            

I have heard some say that when our expectations are "too high" then we need to "lower" our bars..?

If that's true? Logically??
Use your Sagittarius and say, Hallelujah!! --- coz THAT means that there ARE Super High Quality "somebodies" out there, dropping the bar of *their* expectations, who might find that they will eventually not be disappointed?!! *grin*

posted August 30, 2018 12:09 AM            

also.
I would create a mew lindaland account because of my belief system switch, but it specifically says in the rules not to.
so thats what you get. 2 faced liar. yup thats me.

posted August 30, 2018 06:46 AM            

mirage29 and aries- about lowering expectations... I don't agree. When we are talking about inner qualities of a person, we should not lower what we expect. The way I see it, and maybe this is my Virgo heavy self speaking here, I don't want to be the partner that my other half lowered their expectations for. I want to be the partner they waited for, and found it was worth the wait! (Ha! This must be my Neptune squaring my Ve/Ma midpoint!) So I expect my partner to be my equal. He will hold himself to his own set of high standards just as I hold myself to my own moral code. And if he could ride in on a horse and in shining armor, that would be great!

posted August 30, 2018 10:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
Im also undateable because im a perfectionist.
sun.mer.ven. virgo

also.
I would create a mew lindaland account because of my belief system switch, but it specifically says in the rules not to.
so thats what you get. 2 faced liar. yup thats me.

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I wouldn't say its 'changing ones mind' per se. But seeing the bigger picture each time and then even bigger after that.

I think in death this is what happens. And perhaps also in life-when one asks to receive the true wisdom of how things unfold etc.

Because essentially all of us are seeing from our own vantage point i.e an aggressive hand reaches inside a babies stroller whilst the Mom is looking away and one yells "somebody wants to do harm to the baby.Look out!"

But if we were to observe longer, we would learn that the aggressive hand is reaching for a snake inside the pram that is nestling itself next to the baby. And wants to quietly remove the snake without alarming the child.

Were we wrong in our first vantage point? No. Perhaps premature yes. But not "wrong". And I think that that is what Mercury(your ruler) can often do.

So its not that you change your mind. But each time you get a another piece of the puzzle. And the picture changes entirely.

So perhaps you saw things from the A point. But now you see from B point. So still identifying with A is silly.

I see Mercury/Neptune types as always the ones who wish they could split into 3 or more people. Because they often feel the vantage point of 3 or more perspectives on every issue

posted August 30, 2018 10:52 AM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
The way I see it, and maybe this is my Virgo heavy self speaking here, I don't want to be the partner that my other half lowered their expectations for!

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Yassss gal!!!! Yasss!

Love convos with Virgos. Always so ehm....productive

I don't want to be that either. But I think what I was reaching for was that I don't want to confuse the illusions of "many birds in the forest, so I can let the one I have in hand free" mentality etc.

Sometimes we can get so excited about the "idea" of someone that we miss the flesh and bone of what is around us.

So we get caught up in how love is supposed to feel or whom our "type" should look like. That we overlook the ones that flock into our lives with all the qualities we deserve and then some.

I am just saying that one should be careful and aware when illusions (what we see externally) seem to overpower what is good for us (what is inside a person).

My friend asked me the other day if I would ever date from another race. And I winced and said "I don't know".

The real answer was " I fear I do not know that side of life. And that the momentum there will overpower me".

So he asked "Would you give it your all if the person ticked most of your boxes(80%)?" And I said "Perhaps".

After that conversation, I realised that I am deeply prejudiced and perhaps biased towards other races. Up to a point where I imagine my Mr Right as black.

But what if what is awaiting for me is outside that narrow view?Coz I have been strongly physically drawn to all sorts. But have just been intimidated by the idea of leaving my comfort zone.

The universe after all does not vibrate according to what you say but how you feel. So as much as I am saying " I want love" .What I am really saying is that "I want love to come in this package..."

So maybe the universe has a "Bigger" picture of love. Grander. Wider and a lot more involved. Because I have set the tone of my asking it forth.

But currently I am vibrating at such a "safe" space in my comfort zone that it will not be realized. It will not disappear of course(it never does but waits for alignment). But I have to feel ready.

I match easily with so-called "foreigners". And much of my interest is within foreign cultures and ways of life etc.

posted August 30, 2018 09:45 PM            

I would date someone from another race, but the thought of integrating families (so the step beyond dating) scares the crap out of me! For me, it's saying the wrong thing, or knowing how to act, or just making sure what I did or said wasn't offensive out of ignorance. It's not a fear of "them", it's a fear of "me".

But you're right, we can get caught up in the world of letting the one in the hand go because there are so many others out there. I come from the other side, not seeing the others out there because of the one in the hand. And I spent too many years trying to make that relationship right, when it could never have been right to begin with.

posted August 30, 2018 10:28 PM            

I suspect that the love would be very involving. The type I can't back away from if its started etc.

To me its like being openly gay and effeminate. In that in the latter one cannot "hide" oneself and likewise,in an interracial coupling one cannot"hide" the partner because you two are sticking out like sore thumbs wherever you go.

So this could have one be confronted by all sorts of reactions from others I.e family, their family, society,their friends, your friends, strangers etc. And many of those people mentioned mau not be positive.

I hear many oppositions to interracial coupling asserting that one should not "invite" controversy. Life is complex enough as is and "just stick to your lane" etc.

But is it really me who is inviting "complexity" by being with someone I like? Or rather the stark confrontation of long and deep seated prejudicial preferences that most people have, that I am surfacing?

It is no more purposeful for a gay guy to make others "uncomfortable". As it is for me to get involved with someone " across the line".

And I think alignment doesn't play by societal rules (which are narrow and confining). You ask a question and the answer is expansion on all levels.

Now the real issue is one being up to speed with it i.e am I ready to claim the love I am asking for and deserve (regardless of societal dogma)? Or do I believe I should play safe because I am not made of strong stuff?

posted August 31, 2018 09:36 AM            

Aries23 and StoneMoon .. Fantastic discussion!

Involving races and blendings .. In my early life, I had been pursued by someone not of my caucasian heritage. The amount of verbal abuse I got from his people was breathtaking, unreal, and cruel. I dropped the relationship afterwards.. I did not want to be the focus of negative energies.

I'd loved the Pentecostal churches-- and there is hidden hatred of caucasians there too, among some of them. I would 'remain' in those churches, realizing that part of the reason I was there was to make those aware of whatever it is inside them that would cause them 'pain'? It's NOT 'the person', but some kind of 'wound' that occurred separate from person-to-person....

(music) You've Got To Be Carefully Taught - South Pacific (1958) [0:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAZ8yOFFbAc

I really and truly do not notice 'color'. To me, it's like a hairdo. Pigment. I remember getting 'shocked' when I went to the ladies' room and saw my skin with the other ladies who were there-- haha, I looked pale-sick??? LOL {{nah... must have been a past life I had??? *sad*}}

People of all races and colors are sooo Beautiful. Like a rainbow... *bheart* Maybe that's part of my Utopian Vision?

I think the sticking point in mixed-couples come when the couple has spent MUCH time together to the point where the way you were raised culture-wise begins to unconsciously rise. If I could speak broadly, in some cultures, women are powerful, effective and highly-prized, and in others they are 2nd class citizens, and even, lower in value than the dogs that live in the house.

Your feedbacks have been very valuable to me..
I grew up in a household where I was rejected for being a female. Females had VERY low status-ability in the very very narrow-minded household/backwards-culture I grew up in. A male could do a less-than mediocre job and get paid and praised for it. I did excellent work, and even was required to do MORE than expected-- and was not rewarded by pay, praise, or privileges.
.. When I was working in the early to mid 1970s, a man who was hired was worth DOUBLE wages compared to what they gave me. Discrimination was not illegal against a woman. PLUS, I was required to do the managerial work AND another position at the same time... when the man had a female covering that spot for him. So that lessened the amount I received personally, to even LESS than half-wage? .. At least my resume could claim that I had done that kind of work-responsibility-- but there was no money to back that.

Like I had said before (somewhere! LOL), I got all the responsibility, with no authority nor wages to commensurate.

I really really do not mind helping people. I never think of 'the money'. I am sooo glad to bring some people Knowledge that others demand pay for. Knowledge, can give people Keys, and unveil he unscrupulous.

So in one sense... I have solid self-esteem as far as knowing what I know, and that I am a good-person who would go out of their way for someone else who had 'something missing' that I could provide for them.. to ease their life, or to Empower. I guess 'that' is MY reward. I couldn't do it 'for myself', but dang it, I'll help someone ELSE 'get what THEY need!!!!!' And be proud of them.

When I talked about 'lowering the bar'?
I was partially being funny? .. Flipping the situation around-- ?

Nahhhhh. Like you two Powerful Souls...
I should NEVER have to expect 'lower'...

Like the little elephant in circus training... They get a bracelet placed on their ankle and are kinesthetically trained into subjection-- to not-be-free. Maybe after 63 years of life, I got to a point of having overcome many obstacles (for self love), but I still encounter new situations that reveal that I have not totally shaken-off the chains?

Then again, … How can someone Validate *their own self* when you haven't had that poured into you to 'seed' that inner Garden, except for what you take-in on TV????? ohhhh goshhhh. LOL. People need REAL mentors who are willing to teach, help-brace, identify strengths== and make-strong or be a cover for a while in the weak spots.

I do feel incredibly big inside me.
And, I've been 'feral' as I described several posts above.
As a woman, I deserve MORE than just R-E-S-P-E-C-T. .. I deserve 'cover' for the softer parts of me, and team-protection against those who would take-away what I earned and deserve with Compound-Interest-added.

My natal chart shows a person who is 'designed' for Partnership-- and, there are impediments in the chart that show I choose egomaniac narcissistic ******** who wind-up ripping me off!!!

Nah... My God!! To be economically sufficient.. and meet the Love of your Life, that will Care and NOT do Harm???, but Raise you UP? .. And for the couple, the partners, to keep strengthening and raising the Other? .. Does such a thing exist, other than in one's Dreams?

haha.. The Truly-Secure Knight, in Shining Armor?.. So FULL of Integrity, Capability, and Honor-- not-afraid to think that he would be anything less, by Giving to An Other? Giving himself...

I like the notion of the "3rd" in a relationship. Each individual is responsible and accountable to The Divine, to GOD, for their deep inner-growing. Then, they turn towards Each Other. When scrapes happen, and the couple needs to resolve-- and when it's not happening at the flesh(small ego) level, then EACH goes within, to renew their Best Self, IN God; later in time and energy, they can come back to their fleshly earth-relationship to work 'that' piece out.
Patience, Loving-Kindness, Steadfastness.

'iron sharpens iron' ..
and Depths calling unto The Deep.

(song) *Take the Shackles Off My Feet So I Can Dance* {ROFL!!} (Mary Mary)

Thank you for this Opportunity to be able to express myself so openly. I have treasured the feedback. Learning a lot. I 'wasn't' so in-touch with 'where' it is I still needed to learn/have self-confidence... It's good to identify it. For this, I am grateful.

I Love my Powerful EQUAL-Women here!!!

posted August 31, 2018 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
^^^^yes. Exactly that.

I suspect that the love would be very involving. The type I can't back away from if its started etc.

To me its like being openly gay and effeminate. In that in the latter one cannot "hide" oneself and likewise,in an interracial coupling one cannot"hide" the partner because you two are sticking out like sore thumbs wherever you go.

So this could have one be confronted by all sorts of reactions from others I.e family, their family, society,their friends, your friends, strangers etc. And many of those people mentioned mau not be positive.

I hear many oppositions to interracial coupling asserting that one should not "invite" controversy. Life is complex enough as is and "just stick to your lane" etc.

But is it really me who is inviting "complexity" by being with someone I like? Or rather the stark confrontation of long and deep seated prejudicial preferences that most people have, that I am surfacing?

It is no more purposeful for a gay guy to make others "uncomfortable". As it is for me to get involved with someone " across the line".

And I think alignment doesn't play by societal rules (which are narrow and confining). You ask a question and the answer is expansion on all levels.

Now the real issue is one being up to speed with it i.e am I ready to claim the love I am asking for and deserve (regardless of societal dogma)? Or do I believe I should play safe because I am not made of strong stuff?

I think consciousness calls us into our greater self's all the time and has us "rise" to our internal strength. But it is usually our own sense of fragility that keeps us "average" and fearful.

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oh wow, reading the expression of your words, of being encouraged to not date interracially to avoid inciting controversy just sparked a huge nerve in me! That is definitely NOT you inviting or inciting controversy. To love another person regardless of who they are is the most beautiful thing a person could do. That rhetoric is the hatred and bigotry and ignorance of low minded idiots who use fear and shame and bullying to manipulate others.

My daughter is bisexual. But she is very young and very few people know this. I choose not to broadcast it, mostly because it is not mine to broadcast. But I realized I chose not to tell other family members because the purpose of doing so would be to "cushion" the information to them. And I realized it made me very angry that I would need to "protect" and "soften" the perceived blow her sexuality would be to them and their egos and their outdated, unevolved perspectives. I think she is beautiful in her ability to love and find attractive both sexes. I admire her for the way she thinks and perceives life.

sorry for the soapbox tirade there. I will try to keep to the subject.

I guess in a way we are all called upon to find the strength to handle whatever challenges are in our life path. And I totally agree with you- I know my personal struggle and now at 40 have realized why I choose the relationships I do, and it is most definitely out of a sense of fear and fragility of my own self worth.

posted August 31, 2018 10:44 AM            

I think you have planted your own seeds of self worth and grown them beautifully in your life. And because of your unfortunate experiences in your life, you can see others the way you want to be seen, and so you sow the same seeds in their lives.

posted August 31, 2018 12:00 PM            

I couldn't help to read and then get outraged on your behalf. Wow!!!

The fact that you still maintain a positive outlook is awesome.

I agree with Abraham Hicks in that there is always two sides to an issue: an awareness of the issue and then the absence of the awareness of an issue.

For you to be conscious of your own esteem suggests that there is awareness. Even if right now it is the awareness of "absence" of self esteem

So now the next puzzle would be; what would it take for you yo reach an awareness of the presence of self esteem? Would it be when you start making the decisions that reflect the best of you?

Because from where I am standing, you are reflecting the best of you on here and encouraging others. And that speaks not of someone who thinks " low" of themselves. As that person would be spilling negativity all over the place.

Of course you know yourself best. But I always think that part of self evaluation should be done according to how we treat others. Not to say we should "enslave" ourselves to them etc. But to treat them with dignity and respect.