posted September 09, 2018 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
Aww one more Venus-Jupiter person who loves giving affection and gifts! <3

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posted September 09, 2018 02:59 PM            

Yes oh my that saturn-moon sure makes me "feel sorry" for myself when I'm on low mood. Being fearful and sad about anything will trigger enormous sadness, anxiety attacks and cry attack. I will feel so so sorry for myself and be in deep grief about a personal matter that really hurts me. Anyways, thankfully, I can when I have gotten it out of my system stand up, also "rationalize" my feelings and thoughts and move on (until next attack). But Melancholia will always accompany me.

posted September 09, 2018 03:00 PM            

Transit Venus was On my Natal venus. Transit Jupiter was Opposite both.

And in my crushes chart, Transit Jupiter was on his Natal Venus. And transit Venus Opposite both, like a sandwich of venus-jupiter-venus. And the relationship was such a Libra-Aries energy.

It was just his Libra venus and Leo sun that charmed me. He was so warm and polite and real libra gentleman. And I was at my bes aries venus charmer mood! Fearless, huntress, forward and so warm.

Now, I can't even recognize him. All his leo warmth are gone, his Libra venus is gone aswell. Now he is just a cold saturn person. Elusive and cold... Saturn is square his sun. trine his moon. Mars is in Capricorn.

Ant transit saturn is square his Aries moon.

He really is not the person I fell for and thought he was!

So those aries-libra energies, did not last in this relationship so to speak...

posted September 09, 2018 03:48 PM            

I had a painful situation with a Sun in Libra conjunct Saturn in Libra. Moon square Saturn in Libra.

He suddenly and abruptly unilaterally ended our relationship by disappearing and switching off his phone.

I was heartbroken. But then again in retrospect, there were signs with Saturn sitting on his Moon I thought he the "strong,silent" type.

In reality , he was not strong. Just silent. So silent that I could never tell what was going on deep inside him. It drove my Moon in communicative and expressive 3rd house crazy.

It took me 2 years to recover from that. I really don't like Saturn on Moon as some chart holders don't know how to use that energy positively.

I have the trine aspect of Moon to Saturn and I always used to tell my ex partner before him (Taurus) when I am feeling my Saturn walls coming up that I feel scared that I am blocking him off. And that he should be patient and kind with me.

He didn't understand and thought me weird. Lol. But I do recall that he would ask me "how do you feel?" .And the feelings of closing love out or warmth off would dissipate each time he did.

Its like Saturn can't stand openness and the expression of vulnerability. It wants you to "suffer" alone. Very weird.

But out of these spells would come clarity and more love to give him. Because I felt understood. I felt LOVED.(he had Moon in Pisces)

Unfortunately with that ex, he moved away and our relationship became impossible practically. So we let each other go.

I thought the Libra was mature and ready. Not so. I saw him last week and took a good look at him and realized that the pain he caused me is nowhere near the pain he feels for himself.

You don't hurt someone that is trying to love you. Unless you are deeply wounded yourself to a point where you don't know what "Love" is.

I fear he is suicidal. But there is nothing I can do to help him. Its not my work. I can only love. And my next awesome amazing partner will be on the receiving end of that.

posted September 09, 2018 07:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

You don't hurt someone that is trying to love you. Unless you are deeply wounded yourself to a point where you don't know what "Love" is.

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posted September 09, 2018 08:36 PM            

Aries23Degrees.. The thoughts you wrote are very beautifully and sensitively written.

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Tomorrow, September 10th
World Suicide Prevention Day
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Suicide_Prevention_Day
*~

My dad used to sing this song to me (as a child) whenever he knew he had upset me, and wanted to make it right!

(music) You Always Hurt The One You Love {The one you shouldn't hurt at all} (Al Martino, 1963) [2:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrJ5T2e8Vqk

posted September 10, 2018 11:51 AM            

Your father must have been an emotionally expressive man. And that ime is not celebrated enough in this "macho man " world.

posted September 10, 2018 12:04 PM            

"Samantha: The heart is not like a box that gets filled up; it expands in size the more you love. I'm different from you. This doesn't make me love you any less. It actually makes me love you more."

From movie "Her."

I feel Venus aspect Jupiter understands that you can love multiple people at the same time, each in a unique way, maybe that is my Venus sentagon Jupiter conjunct Uranus talking with DC in Gemini and persona DC in Aquarius

posted September 10, 2018 01:23 PM            

I think my reservation with the "loving more than one person" is maybe because I think of people as more than 2 dimensional. Really quite complex.

So I think even when loving one person, one is loving "multiple people". Because one person is a myriad of identities and personalities.

Would it be fair to say that whilst Ve-Ju love is horizontal expression. Ve-Pl love is lateral?

In that the former is breadth. Whilst the latter is depth?

I like focusing deeply on one person. Too many people involved. Concentration is lost.

posted September 10, 2018 01:30 PM            

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Good point. I like that quote too.

I think my reservation with the "loving more than one person" is maybe because I think of people as more than 2 dimensional. Really quite complex.

So I think even when loving one person, one is loving "multiple people". Because one person is a myriad of identities and personalities.

Would it be fair to say that whilst Ve-Ju love is horizontal expression. Ve-Pl love is lateral?

In that the former is breadth. Whilst the latter is depth?

I like focusing deeply on one person. Too many people involved. Concentration is lost.

The aspect is now separating from natal Venus by transit.

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"So I think even when loving one person, one is loving "multiple people". Because one person is a myriad of identities and personalities."
^^OMG I LOVE IT! hahaha

"Would it be fair to say that whilst Ve-Ju love is horizontal expression. Ve-Pl love is lateral?

In that the former is breadth. Whilst the latter is depth?

I like focusing deeply on one person. Too many people involved. Concentration is lost."

posted September 10, 2018 09:07 PM            

Venus-Jupiter has a lot of love, sure. But whether it's concentrated on one person or 'scattered about' depends on the rest of the natal.

Mine is in Scorp and widely conj Pluto - can't even entertain the thought of another person.

Although, I wanna add that Venus-Jupiter, even without Saturn/Pluto, won't necessarily lose out on depth even if they do have more than one partner.. Kinda depends on the Venus sign, but that sounds like more of a 5th house thing.. Every encounter being 'casual'/'just-for-fun'..

Venus-Jupiter is a 'lot', but casual or not, multiple or not - 5th/7th houses and the other aspects to that Venus.

Venus-Jupiter, they simply have a lot of love to give. And it makes them unhappy if, for some reason, their affections don't have an outlet.

It's kinda like that puppy that's always so glad to see you when you get home. They can't wait to jump on you and lick you all over, barking excitedly.

:ETA: not that it's wrong to have more than one partner. To each his own. Just that, that's not really "because" of the Venus-Jupiter.

posted September 10, 2018 10:27 PM            

Also sometimes loving multiple people is not about "entertaining loving other people" as you put it, I gave myself completely to my ex and I broke up with him 15 years ago and I will always love him, period. Then 4 years later after the break up I met my partner whom I also love very much in a different way, I don't feel in love with him but none the less care for him a lot and if him and I separate I will miss him and will always also love him. Once I love someone I always will love them, that is how I am even if I fall with someone else or develop strong feelings for someone else, perhaps is that venus in the 8th centile to jupiter in the 12th or my moon in pisces ruling the 8th squaring my nodes, or my persona moon in cancer. Or it could be that Mars rules my IC and conjuncts my venus ruler of my 5th in the 8th.

I very much need to express my love..

posted September 11, 2018 05:49 AM            

Can I just interject and say that it could also be that Asc/DSC and Moon are in mutable signs?

Brad Pitt has DSC in Gemini and I read in a local article detailing the divorce between he and Angie ,that they were "open" with each other about his bisexual "inclinations"(oh gosh! Avoiding the elephant in room lol)

I think your Jupiter ruled Asc and Moon could be more "expansive" and find it difficult to be restrictive of how many people to "dedicate" one's love to.

Another person I know is indifferent to the gender of the person. He just falls in love with them if they have the qualities that he likes. And he has Moon/Mars in Gemini in the 8th house. Scorpio is rising.

There is something about mutable signs that make them open ended when it comes to love or sex I think (could be wrong).

This is not to say that they cannot be trusted or are cheats etc. But I think they tend to be more open to falling for multiple people at once as they are not that stuck with internal restrictions that cardinal/fixed type people have?

So the internal battle is not staying "faithful". But staying true to oneself. Because the former means staying faithful to the partner and not necessarily true to oneself. Whilst the latter is staying true to oneself but " cheating " on the partner.Sigh.

Decisions. Decisions. Whats a mutable girl/guy to do really?

I myself have a predominance of mutable fire energy in the chart. So I could be shooting myself in the foot by saying this.

But even with that being said. I am not that 'open' to multiple people. Just the way I am at the moment. I guess it could be my Ven-Sat in Scorpio fixed.

posted September 11, 2018 05:50 AM            

So perhaps I will be more open to "swinging"?

All in all, Jupiter in Scorpio on Venus has not had a profound effect on my love life. I think even Jupiter in Libra had more action.

posted September 11, 2018 07:52 AM            

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Also sometimes loving multiple people is not about "entertaining loving other people" as you put it, I gave myself completely to my ex

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Umm, that's not what it means.. Entertaining the thought means, being able to have the thought. Being able to consider it without dismissing it outright. At least that's how I used the word.

I understand it can be completely possible for some people.. No offense intended.

posted September 11, 2018 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@hypatia.

This is not to say that they cannot be trusted or are cheats etc. But I think they tend to be more open to falling for multiple people at once as they are not that stuck with internal restrictions that cardinal/fixed type people have?

So the internal battle is not staying "faithful". But staying true to oneself. Because the former means staying faithful to the partner and not necessarily true to oneself. Whilst the latter is staying true to oneself but " cheating " on the partner.Sigh.

Decisions. Decisions. Whats a mutable girl/guy to do really?

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hahahaha you made my day, you got to the core of it there, you will be a great therapist .

posted September 11, 2018 11:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Morrigan:
^Lol. Why limit yourself? Coz YOLO.

Umm, that's not what it means.. Entertaining the thought means, being able to have the thought. Being able to consider it without dismissing it outright. At least that's how I used the word.

I understand it can be completely possible for some people.. No offense intended.

You do you, lady.

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posted September 11, 2018 01:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Morrigan:
Hehe! High-five, Melinn.

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posted September 11, 2018 01:59 PM            

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I think that the crush could not keep up with the momentum that the positive transits started.

I had a painful situation with a Sun in Libra conjunct Saturn in Libra. Moon square Saturn in Libra.

He suddenly and abruptly unilaterally ended our relationship by disappearing and switching off his phone.

I was heartbroken. But then again in retrospect, there were signs with Saturn sitting on his Moon I thought he the "strong,silent" type.

In reality , he was not strong. Just silent. So silent that I could never tell what was going on deep inside him. It drove my Moon in communicative and expressive 3rd house crazy.

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Oh no I hope he will be ok?! Saturn-moon is so so harsh to have! I'm so sorry he left you in pain for so long Its not easy to process and let go, when you have invested so much emotions and time.

And I have realized, for me atleast, I put up a wall, but its not that sturdy, and I just want you to tear it down and just hug me and tell me its gonna be ok, I'm always here for you. Thats it. Thats all I wan't when my saturn defenses are up.

But what happens when 2 persons have the same defense mechanisms? Nothing productive I tell you.

Yes what we had was just a "flirtationship". i don't think we "vibrated" vulnurability as you put it, but more like, I wanted male affection and attention, and he was so into my forward energy and also wanted attention and the dopamin kicks. I really thought he would always be that way towards me!

I was so mesmerized by his super high and positive energy! He was magical! We both seemed to be on a high cloud haha.

Imagine my disappointment when it all fizzled down and I saw that, he had no energy left!
It was like, he was a magical bubble that bursted :/

And a normal aries woud walk away, but instead I created power games and drama, out of frustation etc, (you know all that plutonic s...t) and to hold him close some more.

Now he has nothing to give anymore, and he is not a magical unicorn, he is a bland and boring person.

He can never ever live up to the person he was in the beginning. Its impossible, and I can never be satisfyed when I just think about how it was and how I want that version of him back.

posted September 11, 2018 03:19 PM            

I hope u get clarity. Mine came after a long while of dealing with the hurt.

I think I let a tear fall when his friend (who was long interested in me) told him that he was going to ask me out.

And his response to that was: "Go ahead. You can have that."

I felt my heart drop "you can have that"??? Really??? Like I was some piece of meat to be thrown around.

Sometimes one can get their worth easily confused with a bad situation.

A woman accidentally drops her beautiful bracelet in a pile of garbage.

And for a while she frantically searches for the bracelet and gets all the dirt and smells on her hands.

Finally she realizes that her beauty is adornment enough without the bracelet, washes her hands clean and carries on.

Like the woman, I accidentally lost my own sense of worth during that time.

And as I struggled to look for answers on what I did wrong or what I could have done to prevent the situation etc. my whole outlook on relationships was "dirtied" by that experience.

At some point I found myself accepting the situation and my self worth returned. In truth, it was never "affected".

It was just all an illusion. And life carried on as I dusted myself off from that experience and moved forward.

posted September 18, 2018 11:05 AM            

I had been best-friends with a girl all summer long.
A bully stepped up and said, 'So-so is MY friend!! stay away from her'
In my mind, I said, 'Let her have her'...
IF so-so wants to stay friends, then she will still talk to me.
She didn't.
The bully had swallowed her whole, turned her against me, and won.

I've never forgotten that.
IF I am Valued as a friend, then there should be nothing that 'an enemy' can do to dissuade or block so-so person from still including me, as Valuable, in and to their life.

So interesting to see the dynamics that worked out in our thoughts to a similar situation.

That episode left me with a friend-hole in my heart.
I'd had an abusive mother who used to tell girls that called for me, that I 'didn't deserve friends' then she'd hang on them.

Instead of those girls having compassion and surrounding me in a protective way, they made fun of me at school (for having 'that kind' of a mother). My mother, the bully, won.

It cast a caul of grief over my life and experiences.

Friends, and friend-experiences, can make or break a human's soul.

(music) Friends (Bette Midler, 1991) [3:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jhnyiagnQE

posted September 18, 2018 12:09 PM            

A saying as old as time ;"Hurt people hurt people ".

Of late I have been having various mood swings that my dog notices and becomes more affectionate. I like that.

Thoughts that are unexpressed, thoughts not filled with the positive vibrations of love,can be poison.

My Dad (Cancer)used to be super weird with my Sister(Taurus). And always try to break her confidence.

My Dad has Pluto parallel Sun and Saturn/Moon conjunct. His Mars conjunct Pluto in Leo.

So he would try and control my sister and say " you will end up pregnant" or "you are a **** " etc. His Merv/Uranus were conjunct and so he wasn't particularly particular with his choice of words.

I think that those words were more of a representation of whom he was than what he was saying what my sister is.

Negative energy is so potent if one has not resources to counter them. And this is often the case when we are children. So parents(unevolved ones) tend to imprint their own brand of hurt on us.

But you know that the more you hurt, the more you ask for relief. And those who are not wise to know that their actually asking for relief by hurting others, don't know how to self heal.

So its up to people like you to channel the hurt energy into live and be the "bigger woman" so to speak. Because you do not want another to experience the hurt that you felt.

Do you have Pluto on the Ic or Moon?

My sister has Pluto in 4th. Extreme feelings with regards to how she was brought up are definitely there.

I have Moon conjunct Ic and Mars square to the Ic. I am always seeking freedom from.my early childhood. Looking to write an ending that I want.