posted September 27, 2018 08:19 PM            

Therefore, wouldn't the Anti-Vertex be more important? While I'm aware interrelations are important to our development, development all starts within us and us alone so would the anti-vertex not be more important? Often, when I see astrologers using it in synastry or transits, they are noting the opposition is present, meaning that the planet in question is actually conjunct the anti-vertex! So what is the point of having the vertex the main used in interpretations? Why not the other.

Astrotheme's interpretation of the Vertex:

"The Vertex, sometimes called counter-Ascendant, is a fictitious point which is at the intersection of two great circles, the Ecliptic and the great vertical circle (Prime Vertical) in the West of the birthplace, linking the East, the Zenith, the West, and the Nadir. It is always located in the West of the chart around the Descendant.

It is the chart's fifth angle, so to speak, less important than the other angles. Its interpretation is controversial, because certain astrologers pay no attention to it.

The Vertex is sometimes considered to be the second Descendant because, like the latter, it is related to communication and exchanges.

It has to do with associations and fated encounters, those that are not chosen, and reveals the type of sensitivity and reactivity we have in our dealings with other people: a refined and tolerant way in Libra, straightforward and spontaneous in Aries, etc."

Cafeastrology:

"The Vertex is a point located in the western hemisphere of a chart (the right-hand side) that represents the intersection of the ecliptic and the prime vertical. In astrology, it is considered an auxiliary Descendant.

The Anti-Vertex is the point that is exactly opposite the Vertex. Some astrologers refer to the Vertex as the “third angle” of a chart."

TheAstroCodex:

"The Vertex is a mathematical point in the chart of the native, always located at the right-hand side of his chart. It is the intersection of the ecliptic and the prime vertical, and astrologers tend to argue whether it is very important or not at all.

The exact opposite point is called anti-vertex, but most astrology researchers tend to not pay attention to it. As an astrological point, it is connected with karma and fate, and it functions when triggered by planet transits.

The transiting aspect that is mostly to be observed is the conjunction, and slow moving planets are the ones that will mainly influence the native’s life. The Vertex is also widely used in synastry charts, as it is responsible for major changes, especially in relationships, births, and deaths of people – while also in important business partnership beginnings or endings.

This can be easily explained by the fact that the Vertex is always located somewhere between the 5th and the 8th house, which are responsible for such kind of issues."

Cafeastrology also says it is our destiny's gate and wish fulfillment point, but I don't see how a gate that depends on interrelations could be where my wishful destiny lies. Would it not be that our answers and paths to our wishful destinies lie within ourselves, or the Anti-Vertex? If that makes sense to anyone lol I hope.

Also, by TheAstroCodex's definition, this would mean the anti-vertex is almost always in between the 11th and 2nd houses, all of those houses which are far more important in our karmic fulfillment and the universe materializing spiritual wishes being fulfilled and given to us through our walks through life.

posted September 28, 2018 03:15 PM            

As if we are rooted in the antivertex to the point where other /life/ fate ask us to experience anti vertex

Something like that

A sort of north and south node but to do with our spiritual development, a vertical development of the self

posted September 28, 2018 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:

As if we are rooted in the antivertex to the point where other /life/ fate ask us to experience anti vertex

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posted September 28, 2018 05:23 PM            

As if we are rooted in the antivertex to the point where other /life/ fate ask us to experience vertex

posted September 28, 2018 07:57 PM            

I have many articles on the vertex and antivertex and also, how they work in synastry, as well as in the natal chart.

Here is a basic one
http://mychristianpsychic.com/journal/the-vertex-anti-vertex-and-fate/
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posted September 29, 2018 09:16 AM            

I " TRY " to understand it (not sure I do) through interaction i have with people I know. So to a certain extent I take into account the view that the vertex has to do with other people you could say.

Vertex mean turning, or has something to do with TURN in latin.

In mythology, vertumnus was a god that personified seasonal change and changed himself to seduce pomona

From personal experience, a man who changed my views on relationship had his juno conjunct my vertex, his impact on my was deeper than change my views on relationship, and I think the reverse was true too. I still try to understand how this conjunction played out...

Another man who plays a great role in my life has his sun conjunct my anti vertex and his moon conjunct my vertex...

My aunt has her south and north node respectively on my antivertex and vertex.

I try to grasp the meaning of the vertex from real life experiences. It may Still be very far from clear explanation, and definitely not something that I can write many article about, like the previous poster.

I wish I was more enlightened like her.

The vertex is really something I want to understand, And so far I tend to think that it has something to do with vertical wisdom, and I have the impression that the antivertex is more of our natural response while the vertex is sort of proposed to us, asked of us. Not that one has to replace the other, just one is more natural / intuitive...

That my contribution so far

posted September 29, 2018 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
I had Jupiter in Scorpio conjunct my Vertex in Scorpio from the 5th house and then the 6th house but nothing noticeable happened related to either houses or the sign. Uranus in Taurus will soon conjunct my anti-vertex though and I get the feeling something life-changing will happen.

Back when Saturn was in Scorpio, years ago, I also do not recall anything in particular happening when that planet had a conjunct to my Vertex. I just wonder how important this vertex really is. Nothing fated or new happened in my interrelations, from what I remember.

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My Vertex Conjunct Jupiter too.
6 Deg Orb.
Jupiter in Scorpio and Vertex in Libra.
Recently full moon happened in aries but nothing happened. If Anti-Vertex Opposite of Vertex then mine in 25° in Aries 12th House

posted September 30, 2018 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
So, I read that the Vertex is like 2nd the Descendant and the Anti-Vertex is like the 2nd Ascendant. They call the Vertex the "counter ascendant" for this reason and the descriptions for it are often talking about interrelations rather than matters of the self.

Therefore, wouldn't the Anti-Vertex be more important? While I'm aware interrelations are important to our development, development all starts within us and us alone so would the anti-vertex not be more important? Often, when I see astrologers using it in synastry or transits, they are noting the opposition is present, meaning that the planet in question is actually conjunct the anti-vertex! So what is the point of having the vertex the main used in interpretations? Why not the other.

What do you think?

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The best explanation I’ve found to your question likens the vertex axis to the nodes. SN = Antivertex and thus the point we’ve developed, experienced and need to give less attention to in order to develop the Vertex qualities.

Here it is (Donna Henson):

THE VERTEX: WHAT YOU'RE FATED TO DEVELOP

The Vertex works somewhat like the Moon's Nodes since the Vertex and its opposite point, the AntiVertex is also an axis. We say we have already developed the qualities of the South Node and we get out greatest growth from the North Node. Likewise, we have well-developed qualities of the AntiVertex, and we need to bring forth the qualities of the Vertex.

How aspects to the Anti-Vertex work

Conjunctions to the Vertex are oppositions to the Anti-Vertex. This shows the need to balance and use what you already know with what you are developing by using what both signs signify.

Sextiles to the Vertex are Trines to the Anti-Vertex. While you have the opportunity to develop the qualities of the Vertex, it is easier for you to express those of the Anti-Vertex. If you allow this, it could hold back your efforts to express the Vertex sign. Used constructively, it's a highly harmonious aspect.

Squares to the Vertex are also squares to the Anti-Vertex, so you have impediments in developing the things signified by the Vertex sign and from using the innate talents of the Anti-Vertex. This is the most challenging aspect of all.

Trines to the Vertex are the easiest and usually most favorable aspects. They are also sextiles to the Anti-Vertex, so you have both the ease and opportunity to develop what these signs signify.

Oppositions to the Vertex are conjunctions to the Anti-Vertex. Here you have the strong well-developed talents of the Anti-Vertex, which may overshadow your development of the Vertex sign. Neglecting one over the other is not the best use of this. You may meet opposition from someone else when your fated events occur, or you may take the easier path of the Anti-Vertex.

Quincunxes to the Vertex are also semi-sextiles to the Anit-Vertex. While you're fated to develop the sign of the Vertex, help from your Anti-Vertex is just beginning to develop giving you little help from previous development. This results in minor irritations that could eventually develop into big problems such as health or financial concerns. To handle this you have to adjust to the differences of the two signs.

Lynn Koiner somewhat supports this theory

The Vertex is almost always found on the right or occidental side of the horoscope. The exception occurs in extreme northern latitudes. The occidental side of the horoscope is co-dependent and other-directed so that the Vertex represents characteristics, attributes, qualities and skills to be cultivated in this lifetime through the demand and urging of other people. For those interested in esoteric astrology, my theory is that the Vertex indicates the Ray energy to be cultivated in this lifetime – a shift in the personality, astral or mental body.
http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/the-vertex-in-the-natal-chart

Another good explanation is from Alice Portman. She calls it “the electric axis”. She says:

The Vertex axis is the Electrical Axis of the chart. The Ascendant-Descendant is the Magnetic axis. The MC-IC is the gravity axis.

The Vertex axis functions as an angle, just like the Ascendant and the MC

Each Angle axis has a specific purpose.

The Ascendant axis describes the physical body and brain and the environment in which a child is reared. A child does not see herself or himself as an individual, but as a part of a family and the environment.

As this child grows into an adult, s/he develops a sense of self as an individual, and eventually moves into the world to “make a mark”. This process is described by the Midheaven axis, and in our cultures this process is mainly experienced through a career or avocation.

The Vertex axis stimulates Cosmic Awareness, an understanding that an individual is an integral part of the Universe, not just an isolated, separate entity.

posted September 30, 2018 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by capricorncheriscty:
Granted, My Anti-vertex is Taurus and my North Node is in the 2nd house. So maybe that is just me? I don't feel this "cause" vs "consequence" affect, in fact it is the other way around for me. What about you? What is your vertex in and do you feel this "cause" vs. "consequence" thing?

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