posted July 26, 2019 03:07 AM            

1) Harmonic aspects.

2) Mid-points.

3) Aspect Patterns formed by three or more planets (and angles, points, asteroids used at the discretion of each individual astrologer/student).

By way of a recap, each of these techniques can be illustrated by the Pluto-Moon-Sun aspect pattern in the chart of Muhammad Ali (shown below)

1) Note that the red line aspects show Pluto to be 172deg29mins from the Sun and 172deg22mins from the Moon. Some astrologers would interpret these as within-an-8degree-orb opposition. However, Harmonic astrologers would interpret them as 48th harmonic aspects - because each is a within-15secs-orb of an exact 23/48ths of the 360degree circle (23 x 7deg30mins = 172deg30mins). [The theory being that a 23/48ths aspect will not manifest in precisely the same way as a 24/48th opposition aspect.]

2. The near mid-point of Sun-Moon is at 4Aqu52, and the far-midpoint of Sun-Moon is conjunct Pluto at 4Leo48. So, these three planets are in a mid-point configuration.

3. The Sun is 15Deg08mins from the Moon, which is within 8-arc-seconds of an exact 24th (or 2/48ths) harmonic aspect. [306/24 = 15 degrees]. ... So, Pluto-Moon-Sun form a 48th harmonic Aspect Pattern.

posted July 26, 2019 10:00 AM            

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Can you use more examples?

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All of us will already have encountered numerous examples of well-known Aspect Patterns formed by 3 or more planets via major aspects ... and used them in our everyday practising of astrology. ... http://goodvibeastrology.com/aspect-patterns/

Vibrational astrology just increases the number of patterns which we can now use. ... By looking at Aspect Patterns formed by 3 or more planets via major AND minor aspects.

So, to understand the theory of vibrational astrology, we need only look at Muhammad Ali's Pluto-Sun-Moon example - because that single configuration actually contains all of the building blocks upon which the technique is based. [Even to the extent of having Sun separating from, and Moon applying to, the conjunction with Pluto - which modifies how their respective 48th harmonic aspects manifest.]

However, understanding the theory is just an essential first step towards using vibrational astrology in practice. ... And, more examples will indeed be required if this thread generates enough member interest to warrant moving it beyond outlining the basic theory/concept of vibrational astrology.

posted July 27, 2019 09:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
If the 15degs base of Ali's Pluto-Moon-Sun triangle was doubled (to 30degs) it would be a 165-30-165 [b]poleaxe figure ... and if doubled again, it would be a 150-60-150 Yod configuration.

Since all three of these are 48th harmonic aspect pattern triangles (23/48-2/48-23/48 : 22/48-4/48-22/48 : 20/48-8/48-20/48), might it be reasonable to hypothesise that Ali's triangle would manifest as a kind of "extremely focused" Yod (or "very focused" poleaxe)?

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So, the following can be gleaned from this Pluto-Sun-Moon figure in Ali's natal chart :-

1.) Pluto is in Leo/12th: Sun is in Capricorn/6th: Moon is in Aquarius/6th. {These are interpreted in the usual way.)

2.) Sun is separating from Pluto, and has completed 23 of the 24 steps required to reach the opposition point of the planetary cycle. (So, this is a Sun that has almost completed the "shaping" lesson being imparted by Pluto.)

3.) Moon is applying to Pluto, and has completed the first of the 24 steps required to reach the conjunction point. (So, this is a Moon that has been "reshaped"/conditioned by the lesson of Pluto - and has now begun to exemplify that teaching to others, by "walking the walk".)

4.) Both Moon and Sun are making a 48th harmonic aspect (48H) to Pluto. (48H = 3H x 16H ... so the meaning is [pleasure] x [persisting with an activity, to the point where doing so creates an obstacle - or and enemy]

5.) Pluto is opposite the Sun-Moon mid-point. [Providing an ability to probe the conscious and subconscious motivators of himself, and others.]

6.) IF the figure is "an extremely focused Yod", the finger of destiny is pointing to a task involving transformation (Pluto), empowerment (Leo) and unseen forces/enemies (12th).

Each astrologer would then interpret and synthesise these astrological indicators in his/her own way. ... But, (for me), vibrational astrology does indeed seem to bring something extra to the current mainstream-astrology-party. ... And (imo) this Sun-Moon-Pluto figure in Ali's chart gave him a (yodlike) destiny which made him an evolutionary influence that extended way beyond being just another World Heavyweight Boxing Champion from the USA.

posted July 28, 2019 12:13 PM            

This Pluto-Moon-Sun configuration is from the natal chart of Winston Churchill, the UK Prime Minister during WWII.

Pluto is 98deg17mins from a separating Moon and 98deg02mins from an applying Sun, with Sun 163deg41mins from an applying Moon (that is conjunct the Pluto-Sun midpoint).

3/11ths of a circle = 98deg11mins, and 5/11ths = 163deg38mins.

David Hamblin stated (in Harmonic Astrology In Practice) that "the person who is strong in elevenness stands defiantly apart from others".

Vibrational astrologers would interpret this Pluto-Sun-Moon as an 11th harmonic aspect pattern (manifesting like a T-square). ... Those who use only major aspects would interpret it as two wide-orbed squares, with Moon at the midpoint of the other two planets.

If (as with the square) astrologers had been gathering empirical evidence about the meaning of the 11th harmonic aspect for some thousands of years, would you interpret this configuration as "two wide-orbed squares, with Moon at the midpoint of the other two planets?

posted August 07, 2019 07:27 AM            

Without software I find that it's quite a struggle though. It can be done, but is very time consuming. I'm getting better at reading harmonic charts, but they are quite frustrating when you want to combine harmonics with midpoints and aspect patters. But yeah... as a hobbyist I'm not about to splurge on software, so I'll just have to do the best I can with what I've got. The table of harmonc aspects form from David Hamblin's site has been of good use to me, and might be to anyone else who is working without software. http://davidhamblin.net/harmonic-astrology-in-practice.html Combining that filled in form with my list of midpoints is the easiest way I've found of accessing this area of astrology.

The greatest mystery to me lies in the interpretation of the various harmonics. Different astrologers have different ideas, and finding these ideas in the first place is quite difficult because not much is online. What books do you recommend as sources for this? And is it possible for you to provide some brief overview of the different harmonics? I understand that 2-4-8-16 and so on are related, as are 3-6-9-12, etc... You mention "striving to achieve harmony" for the 12th harmonic, but how about the others?

posted August 08, 2019 04:01 AM            

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I had meant to dive into this earlier, but alas real life had other ideas... Thank you for writing this introduction to the method! I'm immensly fascinated by all of this because I have an interest in all three parts.

Without software I find that it's quite a struggle though. It can be done, but is very time consuming. I'm getting better at reading harmonic charts, but they are quite frustrating when you want to combine harmonics with midpoints and aspect patters. But yeah... as a hobbyist I'm not about to splurge on software, so I'll just have to do the best I can with what I've got. The table of harmonc aspects form from David Hamblin's site has been of good use to me, and might be to anyone else who is working without software. http://davidhamblin.net/harmonic-astrology-in-practice.html Combining that filled in form with my list of midpoints is the easiest way I've found of accessing this area of astrology.

The greatest mystery to me lies in the interpretation of the various harmonics. Different astrologers have different ideas, and finding these ideas in the first place is quite difficult because not much is online. What books do you recommend as sources for this? And is it possible for you to provide some brief overview of the different harmonics? I understand that 2-4-8-16 and so on are related, as are 3-6-9-12, etc... You mention "striving to achieve harmony" for the 12th harmonic, but how about the others?

Anyway... In my own chart I've found only twp harmonic aspect pattern that also involves a midpoint. Thus far at least. The strongest is Uranus opposite the midpoint of Sun and Mercury, with an orb of only 6 minutes. Sun and Mercury are 1/15 apart and both are 7/15 from Uranus. I suppose the 15th harmonic is mainly related to the 5th harmonic. But also the 3rd harmonic, am I right? So should I be thinking quintile + trine when interpreting the 15th harmonic aspects?

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On the thread at http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum33/HTML/000152-3.html ... I have asked if it ok for me to use your natal chart and harmonic aspect patterns as examples on this thread - as it would be unethical for me to do that without your permission.

Have you read David Cochrane's free e-book on the interpretation of the first 32 harmonic aspects? His working interpretations for those are given on pages 8 to 10 ... http://www.astrosoftware.com/harmonicfirst32.pdf

However, his youtube videos on these aspects are easier to follow (and more up to date) ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD1hDoBiOUE

posted August 08, 2019 04:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

On the thread at http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum33/HTML/000152-3.html ... I have asked if it ok for me to use your natal chart and harmonic aspect patterns as examples on this thread - as it would be unethical for me to do that without your permission.

Have you read David Cochrane's free e-book on the interpretation of the first 32 harmonic aspects? His working interpretations for those are given on pages 8 to 10 ... http://www.astrosoftware.com/harmonicfirst32.pdf

However, his youtube videos on these aspects are easier to follow (and more up to date) ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD1hDoBiOUE

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Yes, I already answered on that thread and gave my rather enthusiastic permission!

I have had a brief look at that e-book, but not perused it in detail as of yet. I'll do that! Thank you! I prefer to read about these things rather than listen to youtube videos. I just get very impatient when listening, when I can't get the vital info at my own pace. I might have to force myself to have a listen though, I'm sure there is good info there.

posted August 08, 2019 05:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
Yes, I already answered on that thread and gave my rather enthusiastic permission!

I have had a brief look at that e-book, but not perused it in detail as of yet. I'll do that! Thank you! I prefer to read about these things rather than listen to youtube videos. I just get very impatient when listening, when I can't get the vital info at my own pace. I might have to force myself to have a listen though, I'm sure there is good info there.

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Thank you, Nadja.

You asked for the interpretations used by me for the 15th harmonic and the harmonic aspect patterns listed on the other thread require definitions for the 7th, 9th and 16th harmonics. Those used currently by me are :-

1) 7th = sustained attention (David Cochrane definition)

2) 9th = 3rd x 3rd = pleasure in pleasure; joy (David Hamblin definition)

3) 15th = 3rd x 5th = pleasure in creating order out of chaos (David Hamblin definition)

posted August 08, 2019 06:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

Thank you, Nadja.

You asked for the interpretations used by me for the 15th harmonic and the harmonic aspect patterns listed on the other thread require definitions for the 7th, 9th and 16th harmonics. Those used currently by me are :-

1) 7th = sustained attention (David Cochrane definition)

2) 9th = 3rd x 3rd = pleasure in pleasure; joy (David Hamblin definition)

3) 15th = 3rd x 5th = pleasure in creating order out of chaos (David Hamblin definition)

4) 16th = persisting with something, to the point where doing so creates an obstacle or an enemy. (Definition in Harmonics Module of Astrocalc astrology software program.)

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Thank you, that is very helpful! The 7th harmonic remains the biggest mystery... I'll watch Cochrane's video about it and see if I get any wiser.

posted August 08, 2019 09:03 AM            

[Perhaps it is too big. Is there a file size or/and dimensions limit on pictures posted on the forum? Is the png file format allowed?]

posted August 08, 2019 12:02 PM            

Ah, nevermind... I can see the link. When I right click on the no-show image and choose open in new tab I get a '404 Not Found' type error, so either something is wrong with the link, or with the image itself.

I uploaded a random pic to that site myself, a .png one, so let's see if it shows, shall we.

[edited out the image since we don't need it taking up space in this thread]

posted August 09, 2019 04:52 AM            

The above natal chart shows your Sun-Mercury-Uranus 15th harmonic pattern, Nadja.

Let's now assume that the usual analysis, interpretation and synthesis has been completed. ... So, you already know the specific characteristics that each of those three planets represent for you; how they are modified by their signs and where/in which house activities they will be most apparent.

In addition, that analysis has revealed Uranus to be on the far-midpoint of Sun-Mercury ... which David Cochrane considers to be an indicator of the ability to "learn very quickly ... without knowing as many technical details as other people, or without even knowing quite how you got to the correct solution to a problem. ... However, you might jump impatiently from one idea to the next with little consistency."

THEN, (but not before), harmonics brings something extra to the mainline astrology tea-party. ... By telling us that this Sun-Mercury-Uranus quick-learning ability will manifest specifically as a 5th harmonic talent for recognising patterns (and connections between seemingly unrelated things/situations) which others may not see. And that you/the chart owner will enjoy (3H) using this talent ... thus indicating someone who will naturally/instinctively engage in "creating order out of chaos".

Moreover ... we know (from mainstream astrology) that the energy of this Sun-Mercury-Uranus triangle will be focused on achieving the objectives of the apex planet (Uranus) ... which, in Sagittarius/3rd, could indicate a yodlike unfolding of a role in teaching astrology to others. But, it is the 15th harmonic aspects which indicate that such teaching might focus specifically upon "pattern recognition" (i.e.. Vibrational Astrology).

Next, we notice that natal Chiron is (exactly) 8 degrees from natal Sun and 15deg30mins from natal Mercury ... the first an exact 45H aspect, and the other just 14 arc minutes away from becoming one. ... So, now we have a developing 15H/45H striving configuration, with Uranus "shining it's light" on Chiron (via an opposition aspect). ... Hence, Chiron provides the 2H motivation/drive/feedback required for this Sun-Mercury-Uranus talent to manifest externally (making apparent to others what is already known by you/the chart owner) - yet mainstream astrology might conclude that natal Chiron in Gemini/9th is holding you back, rather than driving you forward.

Finally, we notice that this 15H/45H Striving figure is actually part of a larger configuration ... formed by Pluto's 5/15ths and 6/15ths aspects to Mercury and Sun - plus a 1/30th aspect from Pluto to Uranus, a 1/30th aspect from Uranus to Neptune and a 13/30ths aspect from Neptune to Sun. ... A six-sided aspect pattern, that (in mainstream astrology) indicates someone who is "seeking/searching for stability". ... And what could achieve that more effectively than a 24-arc-minutes-orb sextile combination of Neptune's intuition (in grounded Capricorn) and Pluto's Scorpio determination to "know thyself"?

posted August 10, 2019 02:55 PM            

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In addition, that analysis has revealed Uranus to be on the far-midpoint of Sun-Mercury ... which David Cochrane considers to be an indicator of the ability to "learn very quickly ... without knowing as many technical details as other people, or without even knowing quite how you got to the correct solution to a problem. ... However, you might jump impatiently from one idea to the next with little consistency."

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Interesting, I've never seen that particular interpretation of the midpoint, but it's all very very true, including the impatience. I tend to get bored long before I master any skills. Very much jack of all trades, master of none! The intuitive leaps can be rather confusing too. I know things and get to the solution of problems without going though any steps... when it works at least. When the intuitive leaps prove correct I feel brilliant, and when they prove to be wrong I feel like a complete idiot. And it's often impossible for me to participate in detailed analytical discussion because my mind seems to take in details and use them to produce bigger pictures, from which the details can never be isolated again. My brain is the place details come to die.

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Originally posted by Graham:THEN, (but not before), harmonics brings something extra to the mainline astrology tea-party. ... By telling us that this Sun-Mercury-Uranus quick-learning ability will manifest specifically as a 5th harmonic talent for recognising patterns (and connections between seemingly unrelated things/situations) which others may not see. And that you/the chart owner will enjoy (3H) using this talent ... thus indicating someone who will naturally/instinctively engage in "creating order out of chaos".

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As I said earlier, this 'creating order out of chaos' business resonates with me a whole lot! Feels to me like pattern recognition is related to rhythm, and more distantly also to spatial awareness. I do have a very keen sense for all three. I'm not at all a neat sort of person, but I find fulfillment in odd things like putting library books in order, filling the dishwasher, making thematic lists of all sorts, and of course astrology. I think my penchant for creating very stable routines might also be an effect of this... I find a pattern that works and then I repeat.

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Originally posted by Graham:
Moreover ... we know (from mainstream astrology) that the energy of this Sun-Mercury-Uranus triangle will be focused on achieving the objectives of the apex planet (Uranus) ... which, in Sagittarius/3rd, could indicate a yodlike unfolding of a role in teaching astrology to others. But, it is the 15th harmonic aspects which indicate that such teaching might focus specifically upon "pattern recognition" (i.e.. Vibrational Astrology).

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I guess my interest in Vibrational Astrology is very fitting indeed! But astrology is only a hobby for me, that I'm into mostly because of how stimulating I find it, and also because it's such a good too for introspection. It's a personal thing, not something I'm likely to share. And I also feel I'm more of a communicator than a teacher. I like to think that I see the patterns of the world (both historically and in our current reality) very clearly and I do feel a need to communicate this knowledge. I guess that's teaching in a way, but I'd rather not have it be perceived as teaching... because teaching is a bit too close to preaching for my peace of mind. I prefer more subtle influence. I'm too much of a Libra to be a confrontational person, so I am a peaceful advocate against the negative patterns I see, and for more positive patterns of thought. Catching more bees with honey, and all that jazz...

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Next, we notice that natal Chiron is (exactly) 8 degrees from natal Sun and 15deg30mins from natal Mercury ... the first an exact 45H aspect, and the other just 14 arc minutes away from becoming one. ... So, now we have a developing 15H/45H striving configuration, with Uranus "shining it's light" on Chiron (via an opposition aspect). ... Hence, Chiron provides the 2H motivation/drive/feedback required for this Sun-Mercury-Uranus talent to manifest externally (making apparent to others what is already known by you/the chart owner) - yet mainstream astrology might conclude that natal Chiron in Gemini/9th is holding you back, rather than driving you forward.

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Could you explain the 45th harmonic a little? Why would the addition of 45H (3x15) aspects to the 15H ones make it a 'striving' configuration? As I understand it you mean striving as in making great effort to achieve something. That makes sense to me what with the addition of an opposition, but you make it sound like the 45H has to do with drive/motivation. Is it because it's essentially 8x45, which connects it to the 8th harmonic?

Anyway... Yes, I've never felt held back by my Chiron. But I've never felt held back by any part of my chart to be honest. I may be a ridiculous panglossian optimist, but mainly I see gifts and opportunities when I look at my chart.

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Finally, we notice that this 15H/45H Striving figure is actually part of a larger configuration ... formed by Pluto's 5/15ths and 6/15ths aspects to Mercury and Sun - plus a 1/30th aspect from Pluto to Uranus, a 1/30th aspect from Uranus to Neptune and a 13/30ths aspect from Neptune to Sun. ... A six-sided aspect pattern, that (in mainstream astrology) indicates someone who is "seeking/searching for stability". ... And what could achieve that more effectively than a 24-arc-minutes-orb sextile combination of Neptune's intuition (in grounded Capricorn) and Pluto's Scorpio determination to "know thyself"?

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It is interesting how harmonics provide links between planetary forces that I've always felt were connected but there was no visible connection. And shines the spotlight on a planet that I've always identified with but that on surface looks rather weak in my chart. Uranus. Neptune, Pluto and Mercury and their interactions are big parts of who I am as a person, and that's also very visible in my natal chart. That triangle formation between the three of them has some of the closest aspects in my chart. The alignment of Sun and Uranus with this configuration makes a whole lot of sense, even disregarding the specific harmonics involved. As for Chiron... Well, In a way I don't think my Chiron is in its proper context without the almost exact sextile to Jupiter, and with Venus on the midpoint between them. Whenever I consider Chiron, Venus and Jupiter are also along for the ride... It might be adding some driving force to this 15th harmonic pattern, but the way it mainly acts in my chart seems to be in connection with venus and Jupiter.

posted August 11, 2019 02:11 AM            

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So, to digest I felt I needed a full visual... and lacking any fancy software I went back to basics.

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[*Or onto a digital copy, by using a graphics program.]

posted August 11, 2019 03:21 AM            

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Could you explain the 45th harmonic a little? Why would the addition of 45H (3x15) aspects to the 15H ones make it a 'striving' configuration? As I understand it you mean striving as in making great effort to achieve something. That makes sense to me what with the addition of an opposition, but you make it sound like the 45H has to do with drive/motivation. Is it because it's essentially 8x45, which connects it to the 8th harmonic?

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[*Think of the odd-numbered series of harmonic aspects as being processes which take place internally - and the 2-series of harmonic aspects as externalising that internal processing, so that one can obtain feedback from others (upon what would otherwise be a thought/feeling/belief/idea/viewpoint which is never tested/validated in the outside world). ... So, the interpretation for the 2H aspect (or opposition) = striving (to obtain feedback from others on something). ... Hence, without that Chiron striving/opposition, your Sun-Mercury-Uranus would be just an internal process - giving you considerable pleasure, but having no impact upon others/the outside world.

posted August 11, 2019 11:10 AM            

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I guess my interest in Vibrational Astrology is very fitting indeed! But astrology is only a hobby for me, that I'm into mostly because of how stimulating I find it, and also because it's such a good too for introspection. It's a personal thing, not something I'm likely to share. And I also feel I'm more of a communicator than a teacher. I like to think that I see the patterns of the world (both historically and in our current reality) very clearly and I do feel a need to communicate this knowledge. I guess that's teaching in a way, but I'd rather not have it be perceived as teaching... because teaching is a bit too close to preaching for my peace of mind. I prefer more subtle influence. I'm too much of a Libra to be a confrontational person, so I am a peaceful advocate against the negative patterns I see, and for more positive patterns of thought. Catching more bees with honey, and all that jazz...

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posted August 12, 2019 11:59 AM            

The above graphic is of the 2H, 4H, 8H, 16H August+September 2019 transits to your natal Sun-Mercury-Uranus-Chiron-Neptune-Pluto configuration.

Transit Saturn 7/16ths natal Chiron starts on 14th August, and may be an interesting one for you to monitor.