posted September 19, 2019 12:44 PM            

http://www.reddit.com/r/astrology/comments/7v3sog/harmonic_charts_an_introduction_and_a_german/

posted September 19, 2019 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Do you mean her natal Venus makes a 7H aspect to your natal Venus, or that Venus in her 7H chart is at the same degree as Venus in your 7H chart?

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I was wrong about the 7-7, there was no such thing.

However I am still interested in if I should try to interpret, and then how

- harmonic to harmonic (such as 5-5, 7-7)
- harmonic to natal

in synastry conjunctions.

posted September 20, 2019 04:47 AM            

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Here is my chart! Hope this helps in some way. ... (Posted by MMarie)

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@ MMarie ... Are you able to remember if the period between your 4th and 6th birthdays was "difficult", MMarie?

@ ULT12 :-

1. MMarie's natal Sun-Venus-Uranus-Neptune are all connected via 56th harmonic aspects. ... What would be your non-harmonic interpretation of how the interaction of these four natal planets might influence the personality/behaviour of MMarie, ULT?

posted September 20, 2019 05:18 AM            

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I am still interested in if I should try to interpret, and then how

- harmonic to harmonic (such as 5-5, 7-7)
- harmonic to natal

in synastry conjunctions. ... (Posted by nomad-monad.)

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In his 1983 book (Harmonic Charts), David Hamblin compared harmonic to harmonic charts for Morecombe and Wise ... a much loved UK comedy duo, now deceased.

In his 2019 book (Harmonic Astrology In Practice), he calculates the harmonic aspects in the synastry between the natal charts of Prince Charles (current heir to the UK throne) and each of his two wives (Diana and Camilla).

Both methods of comparing the synastry between two people appear to be valid ... but I have never attempted to use them myself, so cannot comment from experience.

posted September 20, 2019 08:13 PM            

To entertain people, I'll cite Ketu-1, L12-1 (House Ruler of 12 in 1), L12-Lagnesha (Lord of 12 conjunct ASC Lord), L12-Sun, Venus-Ketu, Ketu-Leo, L5-12. To me, their "Neptune" identification has been adequately spotted without harmonics.

posted September 20, 2019 10:54 PM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
Graham:
I'm unsure why you're asking for interpretations. My position was/is that legitimate 'permanent'(natal) influences* can be seen without the involvement of harmonic charts and/or minor aspects. With regard to MMarie's Neptune identification claim, I see a few pointers - without the use of harmonic charts or minor aspects.

To entertain people, I'll cite Ketu-1, L12-1 (House Ruler of 12 in 1), L12-Lagnesha (Lord of 12 conjunct ASC Lord), L12-Sun, Venus-Ketu, Ketu-Leo, L5-12. To me, their "Neptune" identification has been adequately spotted without harmonics.

*Perhaps "minor aspects" are significant in Transit/etc Astrology, but I was talking in terms of the whole person only (the theory essentially being non-minor aspects will 9/10x 'drown out'/'overpower' the effects of minor, so are 'not significant [in the grand scheme of things]'.) If minor aspects can show the minute timing of events, that's interesting (for example, Pluto takes years to transit through H7, but are you saying some minor aspect can be shown to occur in multiple charts of the month/week/etc of spousal 'deaths'?).

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I'm unsure why you're asking for interpretations. My position was/is that legitimate 'permanent'(natal) influences* can be seen without the involvement of harmonic charts and/or minor aspects. With regard to MMarie's Neptune identification claim, I see a few pointers - without the use of harmonic charts or minor aspects.

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However, I agree 100% that such oversights are unlikely if using Vedic astrology to analyse, interpret and synthesise a chart.

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I'm unsure why you're asking for interpretations.

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posted September 21, 2019 03:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
@ MMarie ... Are you able to remember if the period between your 4th and 6th birthdays was "difficult", MMarie?

@ ULT12 :-

1. MMarie's natal Sun-Venus-Uranus-Neptune are all connected via 56th harmonic aspects. ... What would be your non-harmonic interpretation of how the interaction of these four natal planets might influence the personality/behaviour of MMarie, ULT?

2. Using an orb of 4 degrees, the [b]strenth of the trines in MMarie's Mercury-Mars-Saturn Grand Trine are 0% (Mars-Saturn), 31% (Mercury-Saturn) and 56% (Mercury-Mars). What would be your non-harmonic interpretation of how the interaction of those three planets might influence MMarie's personality/behaviour? And, would your interpretation change if using a wider orb of (say) 6 degrees - which gives respective strengths of 24% (Mars-Saturn), 54% (Mercury-Saturn) and 70% (Mercury-Mars)? [/B]

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Thank you graham for all of this analysis...it is very interesting!

posted September 21, 2019 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
Graham:
I'm unsure why you're asking for interpretations. My position was/is that legitimate 'permanent'(natal) influences* can be seen without the involvement of harmonic charts and/or minor aspects. With regard to MMarie's Neptune identification claim, I see a few pointers - without the use of harmonic charts or minor aspects.

To entertain people, I'll cite Ketu-1, L12-1 (House Ruler of 12 in 1), L12-Lagnesha (Lord of 12 conjunct ASC Lord), L12-Sun, Venus-Ketu, Ketu-Leo, L5-12. To me, their "Neptune" identification has been adequately spotted without harmonics.

*Perhaps "minor aspects" are significant in Transit/etc Astrology, but I was talking in terms of the whole person only (the theory essentially being non-minor aspects will 9/10x 'drown out'/'overpower' the effects of minor, so are 'not significant [in the grand scheme of things]'.) If minor aspects can show the minute timing of events, that's interesting (for example, Pluto takes years to transit through H7, but are you saying some minor aspect can be shown to occur in multiple charts of the month/week/etc of spousal 'deaths'?).

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Hi ULT12! Thanks for your replies and input!

posted September 21, 2019 10:36 AM            

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I am not sure how you guessed that about age 4-6. My father moved away from me during that time. He came back, but was out of my state for those years. How did you guess that?

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There is a Thor's Hammer configuration in your natal chart, consisting of Sun-Neptune-Vesta/Mars. ... I do not use asteroids, but Mars is just 28minutes of arc short of making the required sesquiquadrate with Neptune (without the Vesta bridge). ... So, given that your knowledge of astrology indicates an above average sensitivity to planetary influences, my guess is that you will feel/experience the effects of this configuration.

Your progressed Mars was at 26Taurus18 to 27Taurus22 from your 4th to 6th birthdays, and was aspected by transits of Pluto and Uranus during that period. ... So, I guessed that something would have happened then - as the natal Thor's Hammer was being activated by both progression and transit.

posted September 21, 2019 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

There is a Thor's Hammer configuration in your natal chart, consisting of Sun-Neptune-Vesta/Mars. ... I do not use asteroids, but Mars is just 28minutes of arc short of making the required sesquiquadrate with Neptune (without the Vesta bridge). ... So, given that your knowledge of astrology indicates an above average sensitivity to planetary influences, my guess is that you will feel/experience the effects of this configuration.

Your progressed Mars was at 26Taurus18 to 27Taurus22 from your 4th to 6th birthdays, and was aspected by transits of Pluto and Uranus during that period. ... So, I guessed that something would have happened then - as the natal Thor's Hammer was being activated by both progression and transit.

http://www.starzology.com/thors-hammer-major-aspect-pattern/
http://eldermountaindreaming.com/2019/08/25/41396/

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Amazing! Really...

I knew I had a Thor’s hammer in my chart but wasn’t sure exactly what that meant. Thank you for all of this information!

posted September 22, 2019 12:48 AM            

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I wonder what else you can see in my chart

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You are already well aware of the following, which is indicated/"promised" by the interceptions and duplications in your natal chart :-

until resolved, a (Sun-Moon?) problem/issue in your 1st and 7th houses will adversely affect your 2nd and 8th house in a way that prevents you from making the best/most effective use of the qualities of your Taurus, Mars, Scorpio and Pluto.

posted September 23, 2019 09:43 AM            

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I wonder what else you can see in my chart.

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I have pointed out earlier in the thread that - using harmonic aspects - your Grand Trine contains no strong trines. Instead, as shown in the image above, Mercury makes a 261H to Saturn (99% strength); Mars makes a 338H to Mercury (94% strength) and Saturn makes a 26H to Mars (82% strength).

And those aspects indicate that this natal "Grand Trine" produces an internal pride in your uniqueness (Mercury-Saturn), which Mars externalises by interacting with 10th house others - to obtain feedback about how this "unique you" can fit into society/the outside world.