posted September 15, 2019 10:37 PM            

example reading from a report I had --
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241137-2.html

Graham
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241116.html

other links Page 2
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241116-2.html

posted September 16, 2019 12:40 AM            

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Are some more important than others?

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Does your Sun have an exact 135/sesquiquadrate aspect to Neptune, MMarie? ... If so*, that exactmess would make the related Sun-Neptune behavioural traits a very significant influence in your life. ... And (almost certainly) those traits would be deeply embedded in your subconscious mind - making the related (instinctive, or/and habitual) behaviour difficult for you to see in yourself.

The extent of this difficulty (in becoming conscious of the related instinctive or/and habitual behaviour) is what makes some aspects more important than others.

[*In your 48th Harmonic Chart, are Sun-Saturn-Neptune in a very tight conjunction? ... And, is the conjunction squaring the Moon in that 48H chart? ... If so, this 48H planetary pattern will also significantly influence your life/personality/behaviour.]

posted September 17, 2019 03:20 AM            

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@graham yes my sun is exact sesquiquadrate Neptune almost to the minute. Is this why I have always felt Neptune-like and couldn’t figure out why?

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Hard to see how the Sun could resist this persistent/unrelenting pressure from Neptune in Capricorn/6th to "no longer see herself as she was at the start of the current incarnation'.

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Would this show in a particular numbered harmonic chart?

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Also yes you are correct my sun/Saturn/Neptune is conjunct in the 48th chart. What does this all mean? Haha would I feel the influences of Neptune and Saturn?

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posted September 17, 2019 10:49 AM            

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The exactness of this sesquiquadrate aspect means that it is an influence in every harmonic chart from H1 to H60 - and, therefore, an influence in every personality/behavioural trait that each of those charts relate to.

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For example, the H60 chart = great planning ability. But, your 60th harmonic chart has Sun opposing Neptune ... with Sun conjunct Pluto; Neptune conjunct Mars and a Saturn-Chiron opposition that forms a Grand Trine with the Sun-Neptune opposition.

posted September 17, 2019 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by nomad-monad:
Graham, do you have any recommended advanced reading for learning about H? It is super interesting.

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posted September 17, 2019 04:54 PM            

I don't use them, don't need them. They are not necessary to understanding your personal astrology or anyone else's.

I think many astrologers have shown something like an obsession with or addiction to charts, especially charts that don't represent the heavens as they actually move(d). This creates a situation in which, like with consumerism, it seems more and more charts are needed for what is not seen and understood from the one chart that matters most, the birth chart, and the implied subsequent (4D) movement unfolding from it. More is not necessarily better and just because a chart can be made with some fancy mathematics doesn't make it worth the time.

It gets into the area I refer to as symbolic fiction. Everything we need to know astrologically is in the full 4D picture of the movement of the heavens in the precisely exact horoscope of our birth. Separate charts that depict something other than the actual movement of the planets and in mundi rotation are fictitious. I know some people get bored looking at the same birth chart over and over and want to look at something different, but that's the nature of distraction and the impulse that blocks depth of understanding of the birth chart as-is in reality. If you're interested in more, transcend the flat-Earth/sky nature of the flat wheel chart and look deeper into the 4D nature by studying declinations.

Harmonics are useful as a foundation for understanding aspect dynamics from 1-12. After that it's an exercise in being ridiculous for the sake of numbers and perpetual mathematics since astrology is base-12 system just like the universe is.

1 (0°) = conjunction
2 (180°) = opposition
3 (120°) = trine
4 (90°) = square
5 (72°) = quintile
6 (60°) = sextile
7 (51°26') = septile
8 (45°) = semi-square (octile)
9 (40°) = novile
10 (36°) = decile
11 (32°44') = the so-called "undecile"
12 (30°) = semis-sextile

Notice that once you get to the 12th you've reached the semi-arc that is the natural subdivision of the zodiac into signs, leaving only the quincunx (150°) as the standout, being 30° x 5 (or 360° divided by two and three-fifths).

As you can see the orbs of influence are squeezed into a tight corner by the time you reach the difference between 30 & 32.7° (if both have an orb around 1°, then semi-sextile = 29-31°, undecile = 30.7-32.7°, leaving little rest between them). So the 12th is pretty much the end of the practical use of harmonics. Of course, you can always go math freak into the impractical use of harmonics if you so choose. It is only multiples of these smaller aspects (72° x 2 = 144°; 40° x 2 = 80°) or their halves and their multiples (45° / 2 = 22.5° or 30° / 2 = 15°) that show validity past this base harmonics list of 12. All 15° aspects are valid, which means it includes 15, 75, 105, 165°. These show up more often than you'd ever think culminated in progressions dated for major life events.

It's amazing what you can miss right in the birth chart when your eyes are directed elsewhere.

Separate charts of any kind distract from the meaty interior of the real body of the birth chart. My rectification practice has proven this to me as declination arcs are valid along this same line: 15, 22.5, 30, and 45-degree aspects have shown up over and over in culminated progressions in declination using tightly timed birth charts. It has been indispensable to my rectification practice. It is a much better use of mathematics directed to the birth chart itself.

I have applied an odd, but highly pointed question towards astrological theories and tools: can it help me rectify a birth chart that lacks precise timing and overall accuracy? If not, it isn't useful because there is little or no evidence it actually springs from the full 4D birth chart itself.

posted September 17, 2019 05:31 PM            

Hence, harmonics differs from mainline astrology only because more aspects (and tighter orbs) are used - in the belief that this will produce a more accurate interpretation of the chart.

posted September 18, 2019 02:24 AM            

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As you can see the orbs of influence are squeezed into a tight corner by the time you reach the difference between 30 & 32.7° (if both have an orb around 1°, then semi-sextile = 29-31°, undecile = 30.7-32.7°, leaving little rest between them). So the 12th is pretty much the end of the practical use of harmonics.

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The 180H = 2degs0mins0secs of arc. ... The 179H = 2degs0mins40secs of arc.

To prevent overlapping, an orb of 20 secs of arc is required. So, since harmonics is seeking to eliminate orbs (and thus hit the gold inner ring of the target) all that prevents astrologers from using the first 180 harmonic aspects is "we do not yet know how to interpret any of the prime number aspects above 31".

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Harmonics are useful as a foundation for understanding aspect dynamics from 1-12. After that it's an exercise in being ridiculous for the sake of numbers and perpetual mathematics since astrology is base-12 system just like the universe is.

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These fundamental concepts, he thought, were at their simplest the qualities of number manifesting in time. The search for some way of understanding these lead to the formulation of his theory of harmonics. His harmonic techniques presented a far more subtle and refined way of studying the complex pattern of the numerous cycles that make up the world in which we live. It broke out of the limitations of the twelvefold system of astrology.

posted September 18, 2019 05:05 PM            

I'm skeptical of harmonics, so I would like to see if I can spot anything besides the sesquiqdrate explaining why you feel an identification with Neptune.

posted September 18, 2019 09:59 PM            

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It gets into the area I refer to as symbolic fiction.

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posted September 19, 2019 02:54 AM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
MMarie: Please post your chart.

I'm skeptical of harmonics, so I would like to see if I can spot anything besides the sesquiqdrate explaining why you feel an identification with Neptune.

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Given astrology's "rule of three" ( that significant influences in a chart are confirmed by finding three or more astrological indicators relating to them ), will you be less skeptical of harmonics if you spot something other than the sesquiquadrate to explain why MMarie feels an identification with Neptune, ULT12?

posted September 19, 2019 04:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

Given astrology's "rule of three" ( that [b]significant influences in a chart are confirmed by finding three or more astrological indicators relating to them ), will you be less skeptical of harmonics if you spot something other than the sesquiquadrate to explain why MMarie feels an identification with Neptune, ULT12?

... Or is it your view/opinion that finding other astrological indicators would invalidate the conclusion that the sesquiquadrate impels MMarie to feel an identification with Neptune?

[If MMarie chooses to not reveal her birth chart, consider asking Kannon if you may use his ... since Mars and Uranus fall at the same degree number in all of the harmonic charts in his post, indicating that those two planets make a very tight-orbed trine in his natal chart.] [/B]

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I'll admit I'm not quite clear on what "harmonics" and "vibrational astrology" are, but from what I've skimmed it seems like every single thing has an "aspect" to everything. The way I understand Astrology is that "minor" aspects do not have a significant influence. I'm not opposed to the idea of my understanding of the way reality works being faulty (maybe "minor aspects" really are significant, and/or so on), and certainly not my knowledge of Astrology being 'incomplete', I just wanted to see if I could solve the mystery they presented using the system I ascribe to('basic' astrology, i.e not all the vibrational/harmonics stuff).

posted September 19, 2019 04:41 AM            

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Originally posted by nomad-monad:
I know it is mainly aspects, but are the first 12 harmonics in any way related to the houses?

For example is the 7th harmonic related to the 7th house, and would a synastric 7harm conjunction speak of anything concerning the relationship in question?

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Looking back now, I think the problem was that John Addey's "Harmonics in Astrology" theories were too radical for mainline 20th Century astrologers to accept. ... So, even those who did attempt to consider them focused (as I did) upon the easily understood concept that "Harmonic Charts enable the identification of aspects which are (otherwise) difficult to see in the natal chart". ... And then, when computers arrived on the astrologer's desktops, we spent less time calculating Harmonic Charts - and more time drawing (and attempting to interpret) the related harmonic lines on - and in the context of - the natal chart.

Hence, the few astrologers that did attempt to break the new ground of house harmonics were heard/listened to only by each other ... and, like old soldiers, eventually faded away.

posted September 19, 2019 05:16 AM            

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Originally posted by MMarie:
I don’t mind posting my chart! Just can’t quite figure it out now with tiny pic shut down. Any suggestions?

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posted September 19, 2019 05:28 AM            

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When John Addey wrote Harmonics in Astrology, he urged astrologers to freely explore how/here the concept might be used in their work. ... And some did attempt to apply them to houses (known as Harmonic Astrology), whilst others attempted to do so with the age of chart-owners (known as Age Harmonics). However, although Age Harmonics is still practiced/promoted (particularly by Alice Portman), it is hard to find any astrologers currently using house harmonics. And my web searches no longer throw up what was done on house harmonics back in those early days (although I do recall being quite impressed by it at the time).

Looking back now, I think the problem was that John Addey's "Harmonics in Astrology" theories were too radical for mainline 20th Century astrologers to accept. ... So, even those who did attempt to consider them focused (as I did) upon the easily understood concept that "Harmonic Charts enable the identification of aspects which are (otherwise) difficult to see in the natal chart". ... And then, when computers arrived on the astrologer's desktops, we spent less time calculating Harmonic Charts - and more time drawing (and attempting to interpret) the related harmonic lines on - and in the context of - the natal chart.

Hence, the few astrologers that did attempt to break the new ground of house harmonics were heard/listened to only by each other ... and, like old soldiers, eventually faded away.

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Very interesting!
Did the old soldiers leave any memorabilia?

The whole thing with harmonics speaks to me of Gödel's famous quote that "numbers are so flexible they can mimic human reasoning".

Now, the reason I ask is that in the synastry between someone who I get very good feelings about concerning prospective relationship, we not only have some nice synastry in juno par juno, vesta-conj-jupiter, jupiter-opp-mars, venus-conj-mars, and Venus-Sun-Vesta conj in composite, but we also have 7-harm venus conjunct, and my 7 harmonic MC sits smack on our composite Venus-Sun-Vesta conjunction, which also happen to include Valentine, Draconic Amor, and Draconic Jupiter. This is just to name a few of my many findings.

I figure then it warrants some closer research, and if anyone is interested in looking at it further I can post my findings here.

It seems to ring generally true to me, that the level of spiritual maturity of the native incarnating soul does have a significant effect on the chart construction. Perhaps this applies to harmonics, and perhaps the discrepancy of population maturity-levels add to a discrepancy of results between charts, and that it would therefore seem to lack statistical value.

That's just adding my perception of asteroids to that of harmonics.

But highly significant seeds for human cultural evolution, are often planted well in advance of their full maturation. It takes time, because not many people care to water the area, nor as you say do they perhaps have the technological toolboxes required by that particular seed.

posted September 19, 2019 05:45 AM            

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Originally posted by ULT12:
MMarie: http://imgur.com ?

I'll admit I'm not quite clear on what "harmonics" and "vibrational astrology" are, but from what I've skimmed it seems like every single thing has an "aspect" to everything. The way I understand Astrology is that "minor" aspects do not have a significant influence. I'm not opposed to the idea of my understanding of the way reality works being faulty (maybe "minor aspects" really are significant, and/or so on), and certainly not my knowledge of Astrology being 'incomplete', I just wanted to see if I could solve the mystery they presented using the system I ascribe to('basic' astrology, i.e not all the vibrational/harmonics stuff).

Anyhow, I'm unsure why you're bringing Kannon's chart into it, since you're saying he has a tight trine - a "major aspect".

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However, my question for you is still "how will finding (in a chart) more than one astrological indicator of something solve the mystery?"

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The way I understand Astrology is that "minor" aspects do not have a significant influence.

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posted September 19, 2019 06:13 AM            

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we also have 7-harm venus conjunct

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posted September 19, 2019 06:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Do you mean her natal Venus makes a 7H aspect to your natal Venus, or that Venus in her 7H chart is at the same degree as Venus in your 7H chart?

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I don't remember exactly how it was.
But we have examples of both 7 conj 7, and 7 conj natal.