posted January 20, 2020 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"So when you find that planet what can take place of Pluto. You can come back and re-write whole Astrology book (what I don’t think would take less than 30 years) till that don’t try to come with rules of Chemistry to Physics even if they have the same elements (just a rough example)"

There's no need to find a replacement.

The influence existed before the discovery of Pluto.

It'll exist after Pluto is Plutoed, again.

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Now you accept the influence of Pluto, but still denying Pluto power.
You finally agreed with my point of view: the size doesn’t matter, but the influence.

posted January 20, 2020 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"So when you find that planet what can take place of Pluto. You can come back and re-write whole Astrology book (what I don’t think would take less than 30 years) till that don’t try to come with rules of Chemistry to Physics even if they have the same elements (just a rough example)"

There's no need to find a replacement.

The influence existed before the discovery of Pluto.

It'll exist after Pluto is Plutoed, again.

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posted January 20, 2020 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Now you accept the influence of Pluto, but still denying Pluto power.
You finally agreed with my point of view: the size doesn’t matter, but the influence.

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Size (mass) does matter because of Emc2.

I love Pluto.

It's one of my favorite asteroids.

But it's not why we have Scorpio or 8th house influence.

posted January 20, 2020 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
China existed before Marco Polo discovered it.

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I claim we'll be able to calculate and measure influence as it pertains to the physical realm, as computer technology advances.

posted January 20, 2020 01:46 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"You’re so concentrated on small details so you’re missing the whole picture. You need to hide not just a planet, but a house, re-do the whole astrology house system for your theory."

Or could it be you are.

Could it be that you depend upon Pluto to rationalize specific things?

What if you were alive before Pluto was discovered?

All of the sudden a group of astrologers decided it was important, erroneously, because a group of astronomers thought Pluto was the 9th planet.

It wasn't.

It's a dwarf deserving of an orb of about one along with hundreds of others that are similar in class.

There is no way it should be a ruler of any house.

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posted January 20, 2020 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"So next would be a Scorpio is not an actual legit sign because it’s ruled by asteroid? I’d love to see how you try to put that theory out and all these Scorpio- proud people will eat you alive😀"

Scorpio was never ruled by Pluto and it never will be.

That's imagination.

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You’re trying to invent the different Science here. Astrology 101: Houses are ruled by the Signs, the Signs are ruled by Planets. And Houses are ruling areas of life and psychology. You cannot just leave 1 house with no ruler.
It’s an Inter-dependable system and the separate science.
“Size (mass) does matter because of Emc2”
This is the law of physics what works in astronomy, but not in mythology and psychology which the big parts of Astrology.

posted January 20, 2020 02:23 PM            

Mars was traditionally the ruler.

Then Pluto was recently discovered.

They had to fit Pluto in their imagination because they thought it was the 9th planet.

What we'll probably find out when a few more real planets are discovered, is actual agreed upon rulers and planets ruling one house as opposed to planets ruling two houses, like Mars, Mercury, Venus, and Saturn.

And certainly not an imaginary ruler like Pluto.

posted January 20, 2020 02:30 PM            

I agree that's the current majority belief.

But it won't be like that for long because of computer advances.

posted January 20, 2020 03:25 PM            

Showing my Urania asteroid on my Sun and DNA and Discovery asteroids on my Mercury.

So asteroids like Pluto seem to work with small orbs.

Urania (Uranya as a variant form) (/jʊəˈreɪniə/; Ancient Greek: Οὐρανία, Ourania; meaning "heavenly" or "of heaven") was, in Greek mythology, the muse of astronomy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urania

posted January 20, 2020 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"You’re trying to invent the different Science here. Astrology 101: Houses are ruled by the Signs, the Signs are ruled by Planets. And Houses are ruling areas of life and psychology. You cannot just leave 1 house with no ruler."

Mars was traditionally the ruler.

Then Pluto was recently discovered.

They had to fit Pluto in their imagination because they thought it was the 9th planet.

What we'll probably find out when a few more real planets are discovered, is actual agreed upon rulers and planets ruling one house as opposed to planets ruling two houses, like Mars, Mercury, Venus, and Saturn.

And certainly not an imaginary ruler like Pluto.

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posted January 20, 2020 03:56 PM            

If my hunch is correct, consciousness influence will be able to be calculated and measured through DNA.

So you give me too much credit.

posted January 20, 2020 04:03 PM            

It came about because of an 11 year old child.

The child associated the myth with an object that wasn't a real planet.

The name Pluto, after the god of the underworld, was proposed by Venetia Burney (1918–2009), an eleven-year-old schoolgirl in Oxford, England, who was interested in classical mythology.[24]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto

posted January 20, 2020 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by vansio:
RIP Jeffrey Wolf Green. He passed away right? I wonder if that was the same time Pluto got demoted.

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I can't locate a record of him passing away.

posted January 20, 2020 09:18 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"Pluto came because it was needed in Astrology. Aries and Scorpio are very different energies to be ruled by one planet. Mars is fire, action, anger, extroverted energy. Scorpio isn’t even a fire sign. Pluto is lord of underworld, death and rebirth, undercover power struggles, introverted energy. It fits better for Scorpio. The different energy, but you cannot put these conceptions in numbers.
Some things cannot be measured with math and physics."

It came about because of an 11 year old child.

The child associated the myth with an object that wasn't a real planet.

The name Pluto, after the god of the underworld, was proposed by Venetia Burney (1918–2009), an eleven-year-old schoolgirl in Oxford, England, who was interested in classical mythology.[24]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto

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It’s not the whole quote: “She suggested it in a conversation with her grandfather Falconer Madan, a former librarian at the University of Oxford's Bodleian Library, who passed the name to astronomy professor Herbert Hall Turner, who cabled it to colleagues in the United States.[24]”
I don’t think it makes sense to argue if the original idea was by librarian grandfather or his granddaughter what came from a really educated family . But it wasn’t just a random name by a random girl, and it was considered by great minds. Do you think a lot of other planets got their names in a more interesting way? What was discovered a long time ago we cannot even know the real story.

posted January 20, 2020 09:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
How do you like that they might raise Ceres instead of demolishing of Pluto.
“ Although the status of Ceres is unknown at the moment in astrology, due to its new definition as a dwarf planet, it has been suggested as the ruler of Virgo or Taurus. “ (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domicile_(astrology) )
There are not much chances they will discover something big like Mercury, Saturn in Solar System. They keep finding small stuff and already moved discovering to different galaxies.

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I'd have to study it.

My first thought, is they're spinning wheels because there'll probably be several more planets discovered in the next 50 years in the outer reaches of our solar system.

posted January 21, 2020 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:

GCE wrote, "Before Pluto was officially discovered, Cayce's guidance would sometimes reference to it either as Vulcan or Septimus (which is Latin for 7th, which is interesting, because if you count Earth, and count out towards Pluto, Pluto is the 7th planetary body out). After Pluto was officially discovered, someone asked his source what the principle Planets and their meanings in our system were, this was the answer: Mercury as the mind, Venus as love, Earth as material incarnation/combinations of these various different levels, Mars as madness (not insanity but wrath/anger), Jupiter as strength/universal consciousness, Saturn as death, Uranus as psychic, Neptune as mystic, and Pluto as of consciousness. Said that the Soul known as Yeshua ("Jesus"), mastered each of these different levels of consciousness and balanced them all within himself."

Secret Geek responded: "I don't think Pluto is the seventh planetary body out Cayce was referring to. We likely have yet to find the other planet, unless you count Ceres for example that was discovered in 1801 since both Ceres and Pluto are classified as dwarf planets.

Either way, it wouldn't be Pluto. It would likely be a planet not a dwarf planet (asteroid).

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You seem to be missing the main point of the above--that after Pluto was officially discovered it, Cayce's guidance referred to it as one of the principle/main points in astrology, and specifically correlated Pluto with that of "consciousness".

Yet, they did not address other bodies like Ceres.

That Cayce's guidance referred to Pluto before it was discovered is interesting but incidental. In one reading, after Pluto was discovered, he was asked what was Vulcan, which had been referred to before it was discovered, and his source answered that it, Vulcan was Pluto.

I put a lot of stock in this work for a long set of various reasons, and have learned over time that this work tends to be proven out over time, even when at first the information seems controversial or outlandish. Like the whole pole change/shifting for 2000.

Given back in the late 20's or early 30's when our scientific understanding of the magnetic poles was in it's infancy. Yet, indeed, it was right around the 2000 year mark when the magnetic poles started to change in their cycle. Two things happened actually. The speed of movement of the poles increased exponentially, and the overall field intensity of the magnetic field started to decrease noticeably.

Oh, and wouldn't you know it, but his source also predicted global climate change back in the late 20's or early 30's, and pinpointed a range when it would start to begin and become noticed, increasingly so-- from 1958 to 1998.

However, his source didn't link it to human pollution/activity, but linked it to massive changes deep within the earth that apparently happened in 1936. An "upheaval" deep within the earth that would take time to manifest. This upheaval would lead to a change in the axial positioning. Reading between the lines and hints and clues, it seems clear that they were referring to the inner core of the earth which rotates independently of the rest of the earth, and interestingly, we now know that the core and the rest of the earth have a difference in their axial north/south alignments. What we don't know, is if this was always the case or a recent development.

An astute and/or intuitive reader of the above, might put 2 and 2 and some dots together and realize that any major changes in the core in the earth, would likely result in both major magnetic field and climate changes...

There are MANY reasons to take Cayce's work very seriously (and I'm a Cap Sun and Merc with Saturn in Virgo), but these are just a couple of the major ones.

posted January 21, 2020 12:21 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
His Jupiter is/was in Scorpio.

That'd explain the connection to being Scorpionic but possibly misinterpreted the primary energy source maybe because it was in his 12th house.

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posted January 21, 2020 12:24 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:

I claim we'll be able to calculate and measure influence as it pertains to the physical realm, as computer technology advances.

Right now, it's part of the occult, which is part of the reason why the disciplines (astronomy and astrology) split.

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But we've been able to do that already...why wait for advancement? So that we can include zillion asteroids in it? I mean One is enuf, look at the ******* trouble it is creating already...

posted January 21, 2020 12:29 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
"I’m glad you left a chance of survival for Social sciences in your math programming world."

If my hunch is correct, consciousness influence will be able to be calculated and measured through DNA.

So you give me too much credit.

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posted January 21, 2020 12:32 AM            

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Showing my Urania asteroid on my Sun and DNA and Discovery asteroids on my Mercury.

So asteroids like Pluto seem to work with small orbs.

Urania (Uranya as a variant form) (/jʊəˈreɪniə/; Ancient Greek: Οὐρανία, Ourania; meaning "heavenly" or "of heaven") was, in Greek mythology, the muse of astronomy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urania

I interpret the placements as discovering the connection of astronomy and astrology through DNA.

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