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Topic: Funny how some believe in Pluto
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SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 21, 2020 12:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion: You seem to be missing the main point of the above--that after Pluto was officially discovered it, Cayce's guidance referred to it as one of the principle/main points in astrology, and specifically correlated Pluto with that of "consciousness". Yet, they did not address other bodies like Ceres. That Cayce's guidance referred to Pluto before it was discovered is interesting but incidental. In one reading, after Pluto was discovered, he was asked what was Vulcan, which had been referred to before it was discovered, and his source answered that it, Vulcan was Pluto. I put a lot of stock in this work for a long set of various reasons, and have learned over time that this work tends to be proven out over time, even when at first the information seems controversial or outlandish. Like the whole pole change/shifting for 2000. Given back in the late 20's or early 30's when our scientific understanding of the magnetic poles was in it's infancy. Yet, indeed, it was right around the 2000 year mark when the magnetic poles started to change in their cycle. Two things happened actually. The speed of movement of the poles increased exponentially, and the overall field intensity of the magnetic field started to decrease noticeably. Oh, and wouldn't you know it, but his source also predicted global climate change back in the late 20's or early 30's, and pinpointed a range when it would start to begin and become noticed, increasingly so-- from 1958 to 1998. However, his source didn't link it to human pollution/activity, but linked it to massive changes deep within the earth that apparently happened in 1936. An "upheaval" deep within the earth that would take time to manifest. This upheaval would lead to a change in the axial positioning. Reading between the lines and hints and clues, it seems clear that they were referring to the inner core of the earth which rotates independently of the rest of the earth, and interestingly, we now know that the core and the rest of the earth have a difference in their axial north/south alignments. What we don't know, is if this was always the case or a recent development. An astute and/or intuitive reader of the above, might put 2 and 2 and some dots together and realize that any major changes in the core in the earth, would likely result in both major magnetic field and climate changes... There are MANY reasons to take Cayce's work very seriously (and I'm a Cap Sun and Merc with Saturn in Virgo), but these are just a couple of the major ones. As to the rest of your replies, thank you for the measured and thoughtful replies. I don't feel that responding would behoove you, me, or the forum any as it's become clear to me that we have such fundamentally differing views on astrology, that it would be like two people speaking completely different languages trying to communicate with each other. Just won't work, especially when one or both parties has strong fixed symbolism going on.
Cayce was wrong then. IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 21, 2020 12:41 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: Jupiter and Scorpio are way different...stating the obvious for once, don't shoot the messenger###
I agree. The point was that Jupiter is 2.5 times more massive than all of the other planets in our solar system combined and therefore Jupiter being in Scorpio cannot be matched except for the Sun. So even if we find another planet that becomes ruler of Scorpio, it likely won't be as powerful as Jupiter in Scorpio. IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 21, 2020 12:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: But we've been able to do that already...why wait for advancement? So that we can include zillion asteroids in it? I mean One is enuf, look at the ******* trouble it is creating already...Pluto's effects has been researched for ages now, and you keep claiming the same shjt that Jupiter is the boss, Jupiter is Jupiter, Scorpio is Scorpio, let that be clear.
Effects on DNA. Not the effects on imagination. We'll be able to calculate and measure the effects on DNA from all solar system objects. We are not there yet. IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 21, 2020 12:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: I knew this man whose name meant "beautiful", but you look at his face and he is like the...
Maybe it's because darkness is in your name. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7614 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted January 21, 2020 12:51 AM
Yeah it all appears dark to me, the world, coz darkness is my name apparently... .... If Pluto had a son, it'd be meIP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 21, 2020 12:56 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: Yeah it all appears dark to me, the world, coz darkness is my name apparently... .... If Pluto had a son, it'd be me
Words have power.
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anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7614 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted January 21, 2020 12:57 AM
They do, not the usual ones, they lack energy...but once that come from deep within, they do..IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 21, 2020 01:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: They do, not the usual ones, they lack energy...but once that come from deep within, they do..
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A3&version=ESV IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7614 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted January 21, 2020 01:05 AM
God is something different... the words we speak are muddled.IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 21, 2020 01:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by anonymidarkness: God is something different... the words we speak are muddled.
I agree. Just an example to show. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness Knowflake Posts: 7614 From: Registered: Aug 2012
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posted January 21, 2020 01:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by SecretGeek: I claim we'll be able to calculate and measure influence as it pertains to the physical realm, as computer technology advances.Right now, it's part of the occult, which is part of the reason why the disciplines (astronomy and astrology) split.
I agree, not about the technology(though technology could be used yes), but about the calculation. No, no, the technology itself could also be able to calculate it, you're right. IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 235 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted January 21, 2020 12:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by SecretGeek:
If the 11 year old child didn't come up with the idea, it would have likely been associated with another myth.
Can’t we give the child credit for the good knowledge of mythology? It was approved and voted for by big people in the field. Anyway, Pluto mythology has a lot of sense with its physical characteristics. It cannot be god of Sea, joy or fertility obviously. By the way, children get to discover supernovas nowadays. https://www.universetoday.com/105963/10-year-old-boy-discovers-a-600-million-year-old-supernova/
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SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 21, 2020 02:33 PM
"Can’t we give the child credit for the good knowledge of mythology? It was approved and voted for by big people in the field." No minors should be associated with myths, especially ones having to do with sex, much less the naming of an asteroid with one, especially of Pluto.
The Rape of Proserpina (Italian: Ratto di Proserpina) is a large Baroque marble sculptural group by Italian artist Gian Lorenzo Bernini, executed between 1621 and 1622. Bernini was only 23 years old at its completion. It depicts the Abduction of Proserpina, who is seized and taken to the underworld by the god Pluto.[1][2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_Proserpina http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persephone#Abduction_myth Locating asteroids and supernovas, yes. But no myths.
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PixieJane Knowflake Posts: 9480 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 21, 2020 03:32 PM
Myths for children are as sanitized as Bible stories in Sunday School (which means the many rapes and other such fare are glossed over or not mentioned at all), and was supposedly chosen because of Pluto's helm of invisibility (and thus not being discovered until then, though it was suspected to exist). (Children are a lot more aware and resilient than many give them credit for, btw, and see no point in trying to trick them into thinking Earth is Heaven, especially as they'll already know it's not even if they can't verbalize it. Though come to think of it, faerie tales used to be A LOT darker, more like our terrifying urban legends, and used as morality tales to keep the kids on the straight and narrow. I don't know if that had changed by the early 20th century or not.) A common theory is that the names of planets come through mystical minds (and children at an in-between age, which 11 can count as, are part of that), which is to say they recognize the object rather than name it the same way a mathematician recognizes numbers rather than invent them. My own theory is that had the planet been given a different name it would now work very differently on us today. Had it been named Vulcan then it would instead affect our creativity and the suffering of artists, because it (or more specifically we) would exude a very different subconscious energy toward it (which would get reflected back at us). Hey, we all have our pet theories. IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 21, 2020 03:37 PM
"By the way, Pluto has moons. It’s an another difference from asteroids." There are many asteroids with moons.
About 11% estimated of present and future TNOs can have a moon. Possibly thousands of TNOs with moons. Hardly unique and certainly won't qualify as a planet, much less a ruler of Scorpio. The link shows a list of known asteroids with a moon and multiple moons. Commonality The data about the populations of binary objects are still patchy. In addition to the inevitable observational bias (dependence on the distance from Earth, size, albedo and separation of the components) the frequency appears to be different among different categories of objects. Among asteroids, an estimated 2% would have satellites. Among trans-Neptunian objects (TNO), an estimated 11% are thought to be binary or multiple objects, and the majority of the large TNOs have at least one satellite, including all four IAU-listed dwarf planets. More than 50 binaries are known in each of the main groupings: near-Earth asteroids, belt asteroids, and trans-Neptunian objects, not including numerous claims based solely on light-curve variation. Two binaries have been found so far among centaurs with semi-major axes smaller than Neptune.[17] Both are double ring systems around 2060 Chiron and 10199 Chariklo, discovered in 1994–2011 and 2013 respectively. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor-planet_moon
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SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 21, 2020 03:48 PM
They should have saved the name Pluto for the next real planet to be discovered.But they thought Pluto was a real planet. It's not a real planet. They call it a dwarf planet but it's really an asteroid. They'll demote it again. If the myth of Pluto is closest to resembling Scorpionic energy, they made a huge mistake by assigning the asteroid the name of Pluto. IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 21, 2020 04:13 PM
"My own theory is that had the planet been given a different name it would now work very differently on us today. Had it been named Vulcan then it would instead affect our creativity and the suffering of artists, because it (or more specifically we) would exude a very different subconscious energy toward it (which would get reflected back at us)." Very good comment.
I think your theory is correct. There seems to be an association of archetypes and consciousness associated with asteroids that is real. That's one reason why asteroids can work. However, there's a fine line between real and imaginary. IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 21, 2020 04:26 PM
"Myths for children are as sanitized as Bible stories in Sunday School (which means the many rapes and other such fare are glossed over or not mentioned at all), and was supposedly chosen because of Pluto's helm of invisibility (and thus not being discovered until then, though it was suspected to exist). (Children are a lot more aware and resilient than many give them credit for, btw, and see no point in trying to trick them into thinking Earth is Heaven, especially as they'll already know it's not even if they can't verbalize it. Though come to think of it, faerie tales used to be A LOT darker, more like our terrifying urban legends, and used as morality tales to keep the kids on the straight and narrow. I don't know if that had changed by the early 20th century or not.)" Besides the obvious of not allowing a minor to be associated with sex, one difference of allowing a minor to be associated with myth sex, like Pluto's rape, and biblical sex, is the myth sex association (archetype) could deceive millions of others into thinking they're influenced by an asteroid erroneously (imaginary) as opposed to being a full-fledged planet (real) as the result of incorrect orb standards.
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SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 21, 2020 04:56 PM
"A common theory is that the names of planets come through mystical minds (and children at an in-between age, which 11 can count as, are part of that), which is to say they recognize the object rather than name it the same way a mathematician recognizes numbers rather than invent them." The downside risk has to be evaluated.
There's a difference in the deception of only one's self and millions of others. IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 235 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted January 22, 2020 10:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by SecretGeek: "By the way, Pluto has moons. It’s an another difference from asteroids." There are many asteroids with moons.
About 11% estimated of present and future TNOs can have a moon. Possibly thousands of TNOs with moons. Hardly unique and certainly won't qualify as a planet, much less a ruler of Scorpio. . among different categories of objects. Among asteroids, an estimated 2% would have satellites. Among trans-Nept planets. .
Being in 11% of something does make you not average. In addition, it’s the biggest dwarf planet now. When they will find something better and suitable for the role, we can continue to argue. Now there are more ideas toward raising up Ceres than finding something else.IP: Logged |
SecretGeek Knowflake Posts: 1566 From: Dallas Registered: Nov 2013
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posted January 22, 2020 11:07 AM
"Being in 11% of something does make you not average. In addition, it’s the biggest dwarf planet now. When they will find something better and suitable for the role, we can continue to argue. Now there are more ideas toward raising up Ceres than finding something else."To be a planet, there are three criteria, one of which Pluto fails. Apparently, the criteria would make an object unique and not like Pluto. I've seen several contradicting sources of which is the largest dwarf. This reference below from NASA states Eris is slightly larger but it doesn't make a difference because Eris, Pluto, and Ceres are really asteroids. They just didn't want to shock everyone and state it was an asteroid overnight to prevent a revolt without a demotion to dwarf first. They could have lost all credibility then. Eris, Ceres, and Pluto all don't deserve standard orbs of planets.
"Aptly named after the Greek goddess of conflict, the icy dwarf planet, Eris, has rattled the general model of our solar system. The object was discovered by astronomer Mike Brown of Caltech in the outer reaches of the Kuiper belt in 2005. Its detection provoked debate about Pluto’s classification as a planet. Eris is slightly larger than Pluto. So if Pluto qualified as a full-fledged planet, then Eris certainly should too. Astronomers attending the International Astronomical Union meeting in 2006 worked to settle this dilemma. In the end, we lost a planet rather than gaining one. Pluto was demoted and reclassified as a dwarf planet along with Eris and the asteroid Ceres, the most massive member of the asteroid belt. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/eris.html IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 121972 From: From a galaxy, far, far away... Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 26, 2020 04:16 PM
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