posted February 03, 2020 03:32 AM            

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On second thought I wouldn’t feel totally right “leaving” though without saying sorry to teasel, if we somehow got off on the wrong foot in this thread.. My comment about this type of thinking being common among both genders wasn’t directed at you at all.. I basically meant that if faced with enough negative backlash or predatory energy for not adequately hiding her sexuality (the hiding it is the part that takes effort, not the embodying it) as a defense/survival mechanism women will often shame themselves to re-gain approval (not unlike what anonymidarkness was saying).

PixieJane, I definitely remember you from when I used to hang out here and am glad to see you’re still around, you’ve always had a lot of interesting perspectives on things.

MysticMelody, thank you for the kind words I enjoyed reading your post too

anonymidarkness, thanks for being able to see the humor in it all

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Oh, wait, please don’t go! I wasn’t arguing at all, just expressing my own feelings. I have no problem with you whatsoever. I was trying to get rid of a heavy mood last week, that had nothing to do with anyone here. I was going to delete my posts, because I wondered why this other woman was bothering me so much - someone not at LL. It had nothing to do with this thread, beyond what I’d initially written. Something she said had annoyed me, but then I thought about it, and I don’t think she meant to come off the way she did.

I’m glad I came back - I was going to avoid it, because I had no real problem with the subject of the article - I’m not out to shame women. The first time I saw this thread, I thought, “that sounds like___” a woman I know elsewhere. That’s it. No judgement, just that. I have more of a problem with the author I mentioned. I think he’s a scam artist, and I had his followers judging me for not trusting him, and not continuing his health recommendations, that didn’t work for me. These supposedly highly spiritual, non-judgmental people, were consistently telling people they were wrong, to only follow this guy’s advice (and theirs), nobody else’s. They pushed conspiracy theories, and so did this author on a podcast. When I disagreed, I was shunned, basically. I thought it was dangerous. I didn’t care about their mean girl attitudes - I don’t need to know people like that. They laughed at me for sharing information I found through a google search, when I was trying to help someone.

This is what I meant by who and supposedly spiritual people. This happened a year ago, but I’ve been put off things for several years now (like the law of attraction). I’m open to natural health care, and the more scientific kind. I’ve veered too much in each direction, and now have more of a healthy balance.

I gave no real problem with the subject matter, but I agree with what MM posted the other night, and what hypatia mentioned above, about youth and sexuality - we get shamed as we get older. That’s a whole thing that I could vent about, and I’m not that old. Not even thinking about any experience I’ve had, just what’s pushed in the world. We have so much pushed at us, I’m over so much of it. My beautiful sister had so many insecurities. My amazing mother was scared of aging. She didn’t let it stop her. I could go on, but I was about to try to sleep, when I visited an hour ago. Like the gorgeous Keri Russell worrying about losing out in work, now that she’s over forty. Actresses talk about having shelf lives, they expand into other things (like selling books through book clubs, releasing cookbooks, clothing lines, skin care items, etc and Gwyneth is going the Hay House route).

We have early-teen girls making themselves up to look much older, posting on Instagram. I saw a picture of the little girl from The Walking Dead, killed off on the show years ago - she was in a magazine shoot for the deceased characters, and grown men were complaining that her character was taken from them - I think she was fifteen or sixteen at the time. It was gross. There were countdowns aired on radio stations, for when girls like Natalie Portman turned eighteen. On the other side of things, Ashley Judd was offended by ******** on twitter saying her husband should dump her, because she was old. (Over forty.) maybe I’ll get my laptop, and copy/paste something I posted in another forum here, but it’s long.

I will add that I’ve had people try to chase me off the board before, tried to shut me down occasionally in threads. It might be easier to go quiet, but I’ve never let them chase me off. It isn’t worth it - you miss out on the rest of the people, who are mostly great. My opinions don’t always mesh with those of my friends, and that’s fine. In the past, I’ve made friends with people I wasn’t sure about at first, and vice versa. I would never want to chase you off! I promise.

posted February 03, 2020 03:56 AM            

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"Be a lady they said. Your skirt is too short. Your shirt is too low. Your pants are too tight. Don’t show so much skin. Don’t show your thighs. Don’t show your breasts. Don’t show your midriff. Don’t show your cleavage. Don’t show your underwear. Don’t show your shoulders. Cover up. Leave something to the imagination. Dress modestly. Don’t be a temptress. Men can’t control themselves.

Men have needs. You look frumpy. Loosen up. Show some skin. Look sexy. Look hot. Don’t be so provocative. You’re asking for it. Wear black. Wear heels. You’re too dressed up. You’re too dressed down. Don’t wear those sweatpants; you look like you’ve let yourself go.

Be a lady they said. Don’t be too fat. Don’t be too thin. Don’t be too large. Don’t be too small. Eat up. Slim down. Stop eating so much. Don’t eat too fast. Order a salad. Don’t eat carbs. Skip dessert. You need to lose weight. Fit into that dress. Go on a diet. Watch what you eat. Eat celery. Chew gum. Drink lots of water. You have to fit into those jeans. God, you look like a skeleton. Why don’t you just eat? You look emaciated. You look sick. Eat a burger. Men like women with some meat on their bones. Be small. Be light. Be little. Be petite. Be feminine. Be a size zero. Be a double zero. Be nothing. Be less than nothing.

Be a lady they said. Remove your body hair. Shave your legs. Shave your armpits. Shave your bikini line. Wax your face. Wax your arms. Wax your eyebrows. Get rid of your mustache. Bleach this. Bleach that. Lighten your skin. Tan your skin. Eradicate your scars. Cover your stretch marks. Tighten your abs. Plump your lips. Botox your wrinkles. Lift your face. Tuck your tummy. Thin your thighs. Tone your calves. Perk up your boobs. Look natural. Be yourself. Be genuine. Be confident. You’re trying too hard. You look overdone. Men don’t like girls who try too hard.

Be a lady they said. Wear makeup. Prime your face. Conceal your blemishes. Contour your nose. Highlight your cheekbones. Line your lids. Fill in your brows. Lengthen your lashes. Color your lips. Powder, blush, bronze, highlight. Your hair is too short. Your hair is too long. Your ends are split. Highlight your hair. Your roots are showing. Dye your hair. Not blue, that looks unnatural. You’re going grey. You look so old. Look young. Look youthful. Look ageless. Don’t get old. Women don’t get old. Old is ugly. Men don’t like ugly.

Be a lady they said. Save yourself. Be pure. Be virginal. Don’t talk about sex. Don’t flirt. Don’t be a skank. Don’t be a ***** . Don’t sleep around. Don’t lose your dignity. Don’t have sex with too many men. Don’t give yourself away. Men don’t like ***** . Don’t be a prude. Don’t be so up tight. Have a little fun. Smile more. Pleasure men. Be experienced. Be sexual. Be innocent. Be dirty. Be virginal. Be sexy. Be the cool girl. Don’t be like the other girls.

Be a lady they said. Don’t talk too loud. Don’t talk too much. Don’t take up space. Don’t sit like that. Don’t stand like that. Don’t be intimidating. Why are you so miserable? Don’t be a ***** . Don’t be so bossy. Don’t be assertive. Don’t overact. Don’t be so emotional. Don’t cry. Don’t yell. Don’t swear. Be passive. Be obedient. Endure the pain. Be pleasing. Don’t complain. Let him down easy. Boost his ego. Make him fall for you. Men want what they can’t have. Don’t give yourself away. Make him work for it. Men love the chase. Fold his clothes. Cook his dinner. Keep him happy. That’s a woman’s job. You’ll make a good wife some day. Take his last name. You hyphenated your name? Crazy feminist. Give him children. You don’t want children? You will some day. You’ll change your mind.

Be a lady they said. Don’t get raped. Protect yourself. Don’t drink too much. Don’t walk alone. Don’t go out too late. Don’t dress like that. Don’t show too much. Don’t get drunk. Don’t leave your drink. Have a buddy. Walk where it is well lit. Stay in the safe neighborhoods. Tell someone where you’re going. Bring pepper spray. Buy a rape whistle. Hold your keys like a weapon. Take a self-defense course. Check your trunk. Lock your doors. Don’t go out alone. Don’t make eye contact. Don’t bat your eyelashes. Don’t look easy. Don’t attract attention. Don’t work late. Don’t crack dirty jokes. Don’t smile at strangers. Don’t go out at night. Don’t trust anyone. Don’t say yes. Don’t say no.

Just “be a lady” they said."

Author- Camille Rainville who has a blog called Writings of a Furious Woman. http://writingsofafuriouswoman.wordpress.com/2017/12/09/be-a-lady-they-said/

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posted February 03, 2020 12:32 PM            

Meaning, take responsibility for their own life and self, no matter what others and society has or hasn't done to them.

It is self realized, self responsible people that collectively will eventually change society for the better. Those whose stay in victim, poor me, or raging against the machine mentalities, much less so.

With that said, it's obvious to those with any developed empathy and conscience, that there is much in our cultures and society that needs to change for the better (and especially towards women, people with darker skin tones, and/or different sexual orientation). However, while part of the transformation process is initially conscious awareness of the problems/lacks, if it gets stuck there, nothing much will change for the better.

Dr. King understood this well, for while he addressed the problems/lacks, he focused on the solutions--and particularly that solution of solutions--Universal Love. Only that kind of Love can and will save us. Love as a change agent has little time for victim, poor me, or rage against the machine mentalities. Over self focus is innately inimical to attunement to Love.

posted February 03, 2020 05:36 PM            

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I believe what kannon is talking about is what in short I would call a watered down version of what ever spiritual practice(s) or aspect(s) coupled with plastic sex appeal. sounds like a narcissist's paradise.

I hope that doesnt sound to judgmental. this pluto saturn jupiter situation is right behind my asc and saturn not tryna come off as mean

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This perspective seems to imply she chose to wear yoga clothes with the intention of being provocative or eliciting sexual reactions.. when really, yoga clothes are tight fitting and more revealing because of the nature of yoga itself.So it's an accurate and authentic portrayal assuming she actually does yoga. There's nothing plastic about it. 

This is in essence.. sl*t shaming, dressed up as her spirituality being invalid. Even if she doesn't do yoga and just wanted to make it part of her brand, it's sl*t shaming everyone who does for authentic reasons. 

No one knows if it was watered down or not other than her. To create the "sexy spiritual goddess" as an archetype of deceptive and manipulative women is what I find problematic. 

posted February 03, 2020 06:35 PM            

The author of the article, a woman, basically says that she came to realize that she was overly using her body and projected image to sell a product (herself/her services), and that she realized for herself that this wasn't authentic spirituality. Seems reasonable and her prerogative.

Is the problem that a man has shared this article, and/or that the above woman somewhat overly generalized about what she was seeing in the spiritual/new age community at large?

It seems obvious that we live in a hyper commercialistic and hyper sexualized society. Neither of these are accidents. To some extent, some of this is by purposeful design.

Here's a great example of some of the clever trickery of some of these plutocrat types. Edward Bernays literally wrote the book on propaganda, called "Propaganda".

Bernays got hired by a tobacco corporation back in the earlier 1900's to help increase their sales. This very clever man realized pretty quickly that to increase sales in general, they would have to increase sales to women more specifically.

So he hired a bunch of female actors to do a "protest parade", where these women would smoke cigarettes in their public march of self expression and greater gender equality. It worked. Many women saw this, and started to equate smoking cigarettes with this edgy, rebellious "movement" of "freedom of expression". Well if men can and do smoke, then why shouldn't we? End result, the sales of cigarettes went up, as more women started to buy them.

But it was a total sham and manipulation of people's unconscious/shadows. There was no true Feminism involved.

This is an excerpt from Bernay's book, "Propaganda" which should be read with the understanding that Bernays, an American nephew and student of Sigmund Freud, was EXTREMELY well connected in the upper echelons of society i.e. among the politicians, wealthy bankers, businessmen, etc.

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”

Yeah, read that a few times with the previous awareness in mind. He wasn't just talking theory, he was talking from actual experience of having been involved in orchestrating such manipulation.

If people don't think that this is going on today, and in the New age, spiritual etc circles as well, I don't think you fully understand the nature of the world and the people truly in power. They cannot and do not control literally everything, however, they have influenced much in various different ways, and always for the same reason--to keep us distorted and limited within our psyches.

One of those ways is via hyper sexualitization of virtually everything. There are some lines in a Lennon song, "Working Class Hero", which sums it up pretty well:

"Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still f'ing peasants as far as I can see...

There's room at the top they're telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill"

I'm all for women wearing whatever they want, whenever they want. But it's often obvious to both genders when people are deliberately using their bodies and sexuality to sell something. Sure, that is ultimately their prerogative, but when you do that, know that you are playing in the plutocrats long term game of hindrance of our collective consciousness.

And it's not like women aren't subject to these slower vibratory center urges and impulses either. Plenty of studies have been done on how women are unconsciously affected by certain sexy, provocative images in relation to male bodies. It's not a one way street. Why else is that women are increasingly starting to objectify men--and not just in the old, traditional ways of status, power, and wealth, but now also bodily more and more as well?

American society in particular, seems to be becoming more and more generally narcissistic and cut off from true spirituality, which considers and cares more about the inner essence of people and conditions, rather than the surface. Facebook is an excellent example of how we are creating these very one dimensional image projections of ourselves, almost as if to hide behind a carefully crafted image than truly and authentically be fully ourselves, with warts and all.

Why, FEAR. It always comes back to fear. We are manipulated by our egos via fear, and we are manipulated by outer sources via fear.

As clearly shown by the example of Bernays, sometimes Feminism, ironically is used against women to promote a hidden agenda that is not good for any of us, let alone and especially not women.

posted February 03, 2020 07:35 PM            

I guess I just see it as more complex and shades of gray, especially when we're also factoring in the big picture.

I've been shown glimpses of probable future where we humans move away from all this stuff, and I feel like these future communities are often going to involve mass nudity when the temps and conditions allow for same. Cause we just won't be hung up on all this stuff, and not hyper sexualizing everything.

It will be more like, "oh, bodies, that's what we connect to experience this dimension, and to create new bodies for other Souls to experience this dimension", but otherwise we will be much more focused on the Soul and Spirit levels of self i.e. the essence/consciousness within the forms.

My Jupiter, Solar, Aquarius, and Pisces sides really look forward to these developments.

I'm one of those odd kind of guys that when he is in a roomful of women, and feeling romantic oriented, I don't look for the prettiest woman, but I look for the person with the nicest, most positive, interesting, and/or unusual vibe more so. Cause the form is less important to me than their inner essence. It's just a bonus if that person's body also happens to be physically attractive beyond the usual or norm.

7th House Aqua Venus sextile 5th House Sag Neptune within seconds, trine Libra Pluto within seconds, and closely square angular Scorp Uranus.

Historically, I've been most attracted to very strong minded, independent,confident, and slightly more Yang than Yin women as well. Like my spouse/core partner who I find far more capable, more resourceful, mentally sharp, strong willed than most men I've known. Truly a powerhouse of a person. She has Aqua Sun, Venus, and South Node (all in her 1st House), with late Capricorn Rising, chart ruler very closely conjunct Jupiter, Aries Moon, and early Pisces Mercury Mars conjunction.

posted February 03, 2020 07:59 PM            

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I'm one of those odd kind of guys that when he is in a roomful of women, and feeling romantic oriented, I don't look for the prettiest woman, but I look for the person with the nicest, most positive, interesting, and/or unusual vibe more so. Cause the form is less important to me than their inner essence. It's just a bonus if that person's body also happens to be physically attractive beyond the usual or norm.

7th House Aqua Venus sextile 5th House Sag Neptune within seconds, trine Libra Pluto within seconds, and closely square angular Scorp Uranus.

Historically, I've been most attracted to very strong minded, independent,confident, and slightly more Yang than Yin women as well. Like my spouse/core partner who I find far more capable, more resourceful, mentally sharp, strong willed than most men I've known. Truly a powerhouse of a person. She has Aqua Sun, Venus, and South Node (all in her 1st House), with late Capricorn Rising, chart ruler very closely conjunct Jupiter, Aries Moon, and early Pisces Mercury Mars conjunction.

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posted February 03, 2020 08:31 PM            

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I don't think/feel that sexuality is anti-spiritual. Beyond the purely animalistic procreative-hormonal i.e. body based urge that is involved in sex and sexuality, there is a deeper layer, and that is of connection and merging.

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The type of sex that I tend to have is about merging and surrendering to the other, becoming one, I am able to have sex like that with others who approach sex in that same manner and that to me is the most enjoyable type of sex. With my last lover it was a mixture, it was very much about the sensory experience of it all but it also had this soul dimension as we did bond and connect at a deep level in spite of it all, it was a very karmic connection I feel.

With my ex we had pluto conjunct mars 100% exact in our composite falling in the 12H along with sun and valentine with Pluto ruling our chart and I truly did surrender my soul to him through intimacy and our souls I feel truly did merge but this comes with consequences, surrendering fully to another is giving up a lot of power and there is consequences to this. I feel I actually learned among so many other things from this relationship that is not good to give all your power away like that and getting lost in another so deeply at a soul level. It was a beautiful experience but it came with a big price but I grew a lot over time bc of this connection.

Through this experience I will say that sex can be quite a powerful soul merging experience with the right person that can result in excruciating pain if relationship ends that feels like it nearly kills you but also an incredible amount of transformation and growth comes out of it once you walk through the fire of having to let them go.

posted February 03, 2020 09:07 PM            

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That is awesome! I find that aquarius guys tend to feel attracted more to intellect and have a hard time been with someone even if they are very pretty if they feel there is nothing up there...

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Yup, an open, kind heart and deep, perceptive mind in combo is far more attractive to me than a model'esque body.

posted February 03, 2020 09:14 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

The type of sex that I tend to have is about merging and surrendering to the other, becoming one, I am able to have sex like that with others who approach sex in that same manner and that to me is the most enjoyable type of sex. With my last lover it was a mixture, it was very much about the sensory experience of it all but it also had this soul dimension as we did bond and connect at a deep level in spite of it all, it was a very karmic connection I feel...

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Good points about the shadow potential of even more merging type sex. But, I've actually have thought about your situation some more in depth.

My sense is that part of the problem with your ex, was that despite the strong Soul and Spirit connection, you were faster vibratory than him. I think one of the deeper/unconscious reasons why you felt nudged to separate from him, was that he was in a sense, keeping you slower vibratory than your Soul and Spirit self wanted you to be.

If he ever decides to up his vibration, I don't see why you two couldn't be together in a healthy way, but my sense is that this is not his probable trajectory for this life, whereas for you, it's to increasingly up your vibration.

You need someone who is on a similar trajectory as yourself, or at least who won't in a sense "weigh you down" with their slower vibratory nature overmuch. It sounds like your spouse fits that well, because he has a very good heart.

Dunno if any of this is objectively accurate it or not, but it's what I was sensing/intuiting.

posted February 03, 2020 09:22 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Yup, an open, kind heart and deep, perceptive mind in combo is far more attractive to me than a model'esque body.

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posted February 03, 2020 09:26 PM            

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Good points about the shadow potential of even more merging type sex. But, I've actually have thought about your situation some more in depth.

My sense is that part of the problem with your ex, was that despite the strong Soul and Spirit connection, you were faster vibratory than him. I think one of the deeper/unconscious reasons why you felt nudged to separate from him, was that he was in a sense, keeping you slower vibratory than your Soul and Spirit self wanted you to be.

If he ever decides to up his vibration, I don't see why you two couldn't be together in a healthy way, but my sense is that this is not his probable trajectory for this life, whereas for you, it's to increasingly up your vibration.

You need someone who is on a similar trajectory as yourself, or at least who won't in a sense "weigh you down" with their slower vibratory nature overmuch. It sounds like your spouse fits that well, because he has a very good heart.

Dunno if any of this is objectively accurate it or not, but it's what I was sensing/intuiting.

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posted February 04, 2020 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I'm not sure I understand the level of disagreement here.

The author of the article, a woman, basically says that she came to realize that she was overly using her body and projected image to sell a product (herself/her services), and that she realized for herself that this wasn't authentic spirituality. Seems reasonable and her prerogative.

Is the problem that a man has shared this article, and/or that the above woman somewhat overly generalized about what she was seeing in the spiritual/new age community at large?

It seems obvious that we live in a hyper commercialistic and hyper sexualized society. Neither of these are accidents. To some extent, some of this is by purposeful design.

Here's a great example of some of the clever trickery of some of these plutocrat types. Edward Bernays literally wrote the book on propaganda, called "Propaganda".

Bernays got hired by a tobacco corporation back in the earlier 1900's to help increase their sales. This very clever man realized pretty quickly that to increase sales in general, they would have to increase sales to women more specifically.

So he hired a bunch of female actors to do a "protest parade", where these women would smoke cigarettes in their public march of self expression and greater gender equality. It worked. Many women saw this, and started to equate smoking cigarettes with this edgy, rebellious "movement" of "freedom of expression". Well if men can and do smoke, then why shouldn't we? End result, the sales of cigarettes went up, as more women started to buy them.

But it was a total sham and manipulation of people's unconscious/shadows. There was no true Feminism involved.

This is an excerpt from Bernay's book, "Propaganda" which should be read with the understanding that Bernays, an American nephew and student of Sigmund Freud, was EXTREMELY well connected in the upper echelons of society i.e. among the politicians, wealthy bankers, businessmen, etc.

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”

Yeah, read that a few times with the previous awareness in mind. He wasn't just talking theory, he was talking from actual experience of having been involved in orchestrating such manipulation.

If people don't think that this is going on today, and in the New age, spiritual etc circles as well, I don't think you fully understand the nature of the world and the people truly in power. They cannot and do not control literally everything, however, they have influenced much in various different ways, and always for the same reason--to keep us distorted and limited within our psyches.

One of those ways is via hyper sexualitization of virtually everything. There are some lines in a Lennon song, "Working Class Hero", which sums it up pretty well:

"Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still f'ing peasants as far as I can see...

There's room at the top they're telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill"

I'm all for women wearing whatever they want, whenever they want. But it's often obvious to both genders when people are deliberately using their bodies and sexuality to sell something. Sure, that is ultimately their prerogative, but when you do that, know that you are playing in the plutocrats long term game of hindrance of our collective consciousness.

And it's not like women aren't subject to these slower vibratory center urges and impulses either. Plenty of studies have been done on how women are unconsciously affected by certain sexy, provocative images in relation to male bodies. It's not a one way street. Why else is that women are increasingly starting to objectify men--and not just in the old, traditional ways of status, power, and wealth, but now also bodily more and more as well?

American society in particular, seems to be becoming more and more generally narcissistic and cut off from true spirituality, which considers and cares more about the inner essence of people and conditions, rather than the surface. Facebook is an excellent example of how we are creating these very one dimensional image projections of ourselves, almost as if to hide behind a carefully crafted image than truly and authentically be fully ourselves, with warts and all.

Why, FEAR. It always comes back to fear. We are manipulated by our egos via fear, and we are manipulated by outer sources via fear.

As clearly shown by the example of Bernays, sometimes Feminism, ironically is used against women to promote a hidden agenda that is not good for any of us, let alone and especially not women.

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Yes. Raising and giving wisdom to a teenage daughter amid the input of "popular culture" brings all of this to the forefront of your mind too.

Superbowl halftime show anyone?

Shakira and J-Lo almost naked with specific "fashion" highlights of her vagina and buttocks performing with male counterparts who are fully dressed in baggy clothing. This is "women's lib"? This is women wearing whatever makes them comfortable? This is my right to choose and express myself? NOpe. This is some rich guy's choice to sell product.

Yes, J-Lo looks beautiful and her body is divine at her age. AND she should never be shamed for choosing whatever outfit she enjoys for her performance. But is that what is actually happening??? Or maybe for years others have been prompting her that she needs to make a statement or go a little further or really show off this or that... and a hundred other comments related to teasel's article post above.

When a woman promoting spirituality recognizes herself falling into this trap and stops herself, AND takes the time to share those insights with others, well that is to be commended in my book.

This has NOTHING to do with her sharing her sexuality or expressing it when she feels it is right and good and honors herself and the "followers" she may have, many of whom could be young people trying to find their way in the world. Being "spiritual" in the worlds' eye hold some sort of responsibility for the content and message you are putting out into the world, just as being spiritual in your small area of life holds the same responsibility. It is up to each person to check themselves and their true motivations and expressions (and their effects on themselves and the world as a Whole), or they are not "being spiritual" This applies to EVERYTHING.

posted February 04, 2020 12:27 PM            

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GalacticCoreExplosion

My ex has jupiter conjunct saturn in the 1H and I have jupiter conjunct uranus in the 12H ruling my chart, his jupiter/saturn sextile my jupiter/uranus. I felt he did not want to fly away with me and preferred to stay stuck but there was this low vibratory feeling I got from it that I did not like that drove me away from him even though I was really really in love but that lower vibratory thing you are sensing was I suppose essentially a deal breaker for me.

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Hmmm. Yeah, that is quite an odd mix of very different energies. Jupiter is a fairly fast vibratory symbol, that of the purple spectrum, and Saturn according to Cayce's guidance and my own observations, can represent some of the slowest vibratory patterns (i.e. most selfish, materialistic, closed hearted--sort of a Scrooge type archetype when it's very strong in a person's natal chart).

Having both so strong, and in in a conjunction in the 1st House, could go two different ways. Either they blend to sort of come a middle, neither particularly fast nor slow vibratory expression.

Or, it could act like a Uranian like symbol, where the person swings back and forth from the fast vibratory to the slow vibratory expressions, with little balance, moderation, or integration of the two. Almost like a battle between the Expanded self, and the body and other life patterns of selfishness.

What was his most preferred color or colors?

posted February 04, 2020 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Hmmm. Yeah, that is quite an odd mix of very different energies. Jupiter is a fairly fast vibratory symbol, that of the purple spectrum, and Saturn according to Cayce's guidance and my own observations, can represent some of the slowest vibratory patterns (i.e. most selfish, materialistic, closed hearted--sort of a Scrooge type archetype when it's very strong in a person's natal chart).

Having both so strong, and in in a conjunction in the 1st House, could go two different ways. Either they blend to sort of come a middle, neither particularly fast nor slow vibratory expression.

Or, it could act like a Uranian like symbol, where the person swings back and forth from the fast vibratory to the slow vibratory expressions, with little balance, moderation, or integration of the two. Almost like a battle between the Expanded self, and the body and other life patterns of selfishness.

What was his most preferred color or colors?

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He also had sun conjunct uranus, his favorite color is Red.

I feel he would fall under this one "Having both so strong, and in in a conjunction in the 1st House, could go two different ways. Either they blend to sort of come a middle, neither particularly fast nor slow vibratory expression."

posted February 04, 2020 01:13 PM            

I think I would have a hard time raising a child in today's world. Hard in the sense, that it would be tempting to try to shield them from all the constant brainwashing, propaganda, etc. (which is not really possible). I guess all one can do, is to provide the best example that one can, and hope for the best when it comes to raising children nowadays.

My partner is a long time teacher, and OMG, it just keeps getting worse and worse every few years or so. The lack of respect and boundaries. We were in grade school a little over 20 years ago, and the things that these kids say and do, we wouldn't have even thought about doing when we were in school. Such as asking her out, constant swearing, constant talking back and arguing with her, constant student to student aggression, and just a severe lack of taking responsibility for one's own poor choices.

If there was ever a barometer of the breakdown of American society, it's grade schools. This is the increasingly narcissistic devolution/conversion in action. And it's not like she teaches in a super poor, inner city type environment. It's not wealthy by any means, but it's rural.

My partner and I have made the conscious decision that if we have children, it will be after the collapse that is coming that we both have gotten a lot of guidance about.

I've had intuitions that my mother is directly reincarnating as a probable future daughter. We have had some interesting synchronicity in relation to us having a daughter. One day, my partner was lying down, relaxing, when all of a sudden she had a waking dream of seeing our future daughter as young--she had strawberry blond hair, big, deep, intelligent blue gray eyes, and a sparkling, happy but precocious vibe of personality. In this waking dream, she was calling our daughter "our little strawberry".

About few weeks or so later, for her birthday, I decided to buy her a psychic reading from a woman that came well recommended to me and who I had had an interesting reading with not long before. Anyways, during the phone call, partner just asked a very general, "what about children". The sensitive started to describe a future daughter with the same looks and personality as my partner had seen, but also elaborated some--saying that she was/would be a "Star child", and would be very advanced in some ways, and very gifted in music,(and also in math I think?), very psychic, and highly intelligent/perceptive.

More over, the sensitive was reminded of another client of hers and more specifically her young son, who she also picked up as a star child and who was demonstrating some very unusual behaviors and abilities, especially psychically. Even looks wise, she saw a similarity. She asked for permission from the mom if she could share a pic of the boy with us, and indeed, my partner was strongly reminded of our future daughter both in looks (especially the eyes) and vibe of the young boy.

posted February 04, 2020 01:20 PM            

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Yes. Raising and giving wisdom to a teenage daughter amid the input of "popular culture" brings all of this to the forefront of your mind too.

Superbowl halftime show anyone?

Shakira and J-Lo almost naked with specific "fashion" highlights of her vagina and buttocks performing with male counterparts who are fully dressed in baggy clothing. This is "women's lib"? This is women wearing whatever makes them comfortable? This is my right to choose and express myself? NOpe. This is some rich guy's choice to sell product.

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posted February 04, 2020 01:29 PM            

No offense to those who really like the color red, but red is a slow vibratory color indication. It's very tied in with the 1st center.

It's fairly common for our favorite color(s) to be very strong in our auras, especially in the more consistent, slower changing, "mental layer" of the aura (this part of the aura relates directly to our deeper character traits and tendencies). It works on the law built into all of creation (especially noticeable in the nonphysical levels) of "Like attracts, begets, resonates with, and likes Like".

A lot of red in the mental layer of the aura often indicates a very active, passionate or intense, physically focused type person for the more neutral. But strong self focus and over attachment to the flesh and the things of the flesh without much focus on deeper spiritual truths and realities, is quite common.

They can have good hearts in the sense that they often do care for loved ones quite a bit (sometimes too much in an over attached and possessive way), but things like a more universal empathy and spiritual love for others is definitely pretty rare. Depending on the exact shade/tone and how much red is there, they can have pretty bad, flaring tempers as well. Frustration rages are not uncommon, and for men, putting holes through walls or the like, is not uncommon. If the red is more clear, bright, and shading into the orange spectrum some and/or not super strong in the aura--they have the potential for anger/temper, but are fairly good at controlling or redirecting same in healthier ways.

There is often something a bit narcissistic about people that have a lot of red consistently in their auras--not to say that they are true and full narcissists, not saying that at all, but there often is a rather strong, over self focus, which spiritually can be a detriment at times.

posted February 04, 2020 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
His favorite color does support/confirm our perceptions of the slow vibratory aspect.

No offense to those who really like the color red, but red is a slow vibratory color indication. It's very tied in with the 1st center.

It's fairly common for our favorite color(s) to be very strong in our auras, especially in the more consistent, slower changing, "mental layer" of the aura. It works on the law built into all of creation (especially noticeable in the nonphysical levels) of "Like attracts, begets, resonates with, and likes Like".

A lot of red in the mental layer of the aura often indicates a very active, passionate or intense, physically focused type person for the more neutral. But strong self focus and over attachment to the flesh and the things of the flesh without much focus on deeper spiritual truths and realities, is quite common.

They can have good hearts in the sense that they often do care for loved ones quite a bit (sometimes too much in an over attached and possessive way), but things like a more universal empathy and spiritual love for others is definitely pretty rare. Depending on the exact shade/tone and how much red is there, they can have pretty bad, flaring tempers as well. Frustration rages are not uncommon, and for men, putting holes through walls or the like, is not uncommon. If the red is more clear, bright, and shading into the orange spectrum some and/or not super strong in the aura--they have the potential for anger/temper, but are fairly good at controlling or redirecting same in healthier ways.

There is often something a bit narcissistic about people that have a lot of red consistently in their auras--not to say that they are true and full narcissists, not saying that at all, but there often is a rather strong, over self focus, which spiritually can be a detriment at times.

I'll probably leave this at that, since I've been getting too far afield from the subject matter of the thread.

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With moon in pisces and virgo rising he was definitely not narcissistic, he was pretty down to earth. However what you said here I feel does fit him: "A lot of red in the mental layer of the aura often indicates a very active, passionate or intense, physically focused type person for the more neutral. But strong self focus and over attachment to the flesh and the things of the flesh without much focus on deeper spiritual truths and realities, is quite common." He did feel drawn to religion though but I do not like religion and tend to prefer to be spiritual in my own way. Then there is the fact that nobody is just one thing, we have many sides and we can have a selfish side but also a giving side and we can be drawn to many colors.

For example my husband's favorite color is blue, black, red and gray, he likes all these colors. This section of what you said fits him more: "They can have good hearts in the sense that they often do care for loved ones quite a bit (sometimes too much in an over attached and possessive way), but things like a more universal empathy and spiritual love for others is definitely pretty rare. Depending on the exact shade/tone and how much red is there, they can have pretty bad, flaring tempers as well. Frustration rages are not uncommon, and for men, putting holes through walls or the like, is not uncommon. If the red is more clear, bright, and shading into the orange spectrum some and/or not super strong in the aura--they have the potential for anger/temper, but are fairly good at controlling or redirecting same in healthier ways."

However, he is super in touch with world issues and politics and definitely feels compassion for others but I feel he tries to keep things more cerebral in general perhaps as a coping mechanism bc he has moon in cancer. I feel he is not spiritual and moves away from this favoring more cerebral as well but he has had some very intense meditation experiences in the past, one happened spontaneously while he was in class when he was teenager or in collage.

The red he likes does have orange in it yes, is like a very bright red that definitely has orange in it. He is very creative, his hands create, he fixes, cooks, builds and creates art, his hands are his strength. So he can be selfish but he also takes care of me on a daily basis and does things for me all the time which I feel is bc he is a libra and has a stellium in the 6H, its quite a mixed bag of energies for sure. You are capturing one layer with the red but he also has this sweet and compassionate side and cries with me often when we watch movies. People are simply not black and white but I do feel he needs to grow spirituality and his cerebral side has this completely blocked which is a shame. He has had Tr Uranus on his 12H for quite a while now as his 12H is huge and nothing, I dont see progress with his spiritual side growing or openness around this.

posted February 04, 2020 01:57 PM            

Most of us have a number of different colors in our aura, even in the mental layer alone, let alone the emotional layer which is always changing according to mood and interaction with the environment and others.

Some of us are veritable walking rainbows of color aurically.

But yes, I was over generalizing because that is all the information that I have about your ex in possible relation to his aura. Nice blues, purples/violets, bright golden yellows, nice emerald or blue greens, rose pinks, or the like would counter balance and off set some of the more immature or limiting tendencies of a lot of red.

It's like when I talk about the potential slow vibratory expressions of Saturn, Mars, and Pluto. I almost always add the caveat that these will be particularly noticeable and worse, when there is at the same time a lack of strong Sun, Jupiter, Neptune, and/or Venus in the chart, at the same time. Having one or especially more of the latter strong at the same time, will offset some of the more immature and/or limiting tendencies.

But I tell you this truthfully, if a person has only strong focus on Saturn, Mars, Pluto, and Mercury, with little to no focus on Sun, Jupiter, Neptune, and Venus AND is in a male body all simultaneously, chances are, unless they have used spiritual will to change their tendencies, 8 out of 10 times, such a person will be attuned to rather slow vibratory consciousnesses. Most people/the average person may not know it, because such types can be very good at hiding their dark sides from others and the public at large.