posted March 22, 2020 01:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
I can't think of any specific lessons learned that I can relate to the above configurations. None that immediately come to mind at least. I do however recognize personality traits and/or behaviours that I can be attributed to those figures. Most notably so with Venus-Pluto-Jupiter. I tend towards excess in all things, but especially with regards to material comforts. I have an aesthetic fascination with the borderline between decadence and decay. I have a spiritual fascination with the process of life-death-rebirth / fecundity-decay-new growth. I'm posessed of a relentless sense of optimism, one might even say excessive, or even panglossian. And my obsessive need to be creative might also have something to do with this formation... But if there is a lesson to be learned then I guess it's about creative destruction. How excess turns to decay but also how something new always springs from destruction of the old. How to let go of the old and embrace the new. To not obsessively cling to the past.

Maybe it can be posited that a natal formation such as this points to one's innate persistant tendencies, obsessive traits or drives.

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Noel Tyl defined the 165/quintile as the degree of obsession, but it seems to me to create no more than an intense focus ... and that fits well with your observation about how natal Venus-Pluto-Jupiter manifests, Nadja.

On its own, your Venus-Jupiter semi-sextile might have manifested as (say) attracting a generous and wealthy partner. But, the 165 aspects connecting Venus and Jupiter to Pluto (in Scorpio/2nd) appear to have made the qualities of those two planets a part of your "psychological makeup".

posted March 23, 2020 05:08 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
My saturn in scorpio on my 11H and how having scorpio on my 11H impacts me socially and with friendships has been a lot on my mind lately, like transits are highlighting this area and slowing it down for me so I can examine it more in slow motion in a sense.

Natal Saturn in Scorpio at 2d39
11H in Scorpio at 2d53

Progressed Sun in Scorpio at 4d11
***Progressed mercury in Scorpio at 2d34***

***Tr chiron in aries has completed a YOD with my chiron inconjunct saturn with Tr Uranus in Taurus as the release point of this yod, this has been happening on and off as chiron and uranus go retro and direct.***

Then we have Tr PHOLUS and Tr Southnode in Cappy also activating a yod with my saturn inconjunct chiron marking a turning point (pholus) for me were I find my voice/power and let go of stagnant energy that was getting in the way of that (Southnode). Both of these yods are now separating and weakening.

I feel all this is helping me find my voice and power but I have to find a balance too in friendships/groups bc I have to make sure I create space for others to use their voice and power and help others find their voice and power while also making sure I don't sacrifice my voice and power, we can all be powerful is the lesson I guess that I am trying to integrate, practice and live by, finding that balance.

Progressed venus in Virgo at 17d52
Progressed mars in Virgo at 17d18
Natal Mercury Rx in Virgo at 17d12 square my nodes activated my March supermoon

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Mercury seems to be the planet/personality-factor that is being "shaped" by your current progressions and transits, hypatia. ... So, no surprise that it will be cazmi (within 17 degrees of Sun) in your March 2022 progressed chart.

posted March 23, 2020 05:43 AM            

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The square + 2 sesquisquares (135-90-135) is a Thor's Hammer. ... But, it is a 24H configuration - as is the 150-60-150 Yod - and these 3 triangular configurations may have in common that they point to some kind of "fated unfolding" of a long-term lesson (or personal development).

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I have now looked at two temporary poleaxes created by transit Saturn (in Capricorn/4th) to my natal Moon (in Cancer/10th) 165 Mars (in Sagittarius/3rd) - which happened in 1961 and 1990, when I was 12 and 41 years old.

In 1961, the poleaxe "raised me up" (within my local society) ... and, in 1990, it "knocked me down" (within my local society). Moreover, at the age of 12, Mars was the dominant influence (manifesting as an intense focus on participating in team sports) and, at the age of 41, Moon was dominant (manifesting as an intense focus on protecting the staff in my workplace team).

posted March 23, 2020 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
Mercury seems to be the planet/personality-factor that is being "shaped" by your current progressions and transits, hypatia. ... So, no surprise that it will be cazmi (within 17 degrees of Sun) in your March 2022 progressed chart.

Retrograde Mercury in the natal chart indicates that (in the current lifetime) you are revisiting the learning symbolised by the Virgo 23 Sabian (as that is the degree from which retrograde Mercury opposed the Sun). ... And you are natally-programmed to have learned it by March 2022, when progressed Mercury becomes cazmi progressed Sun.

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I really enjoy you Graham. I have to ask, is astrology your vocation? you really give me that impression that you truly are a professional astrologer.

I do feel this past two years I have been growing exponentially, like at a fast rate, like a BOOM type of thing has been happening with me internally and with my personal growth so this input fits with what you are saying. Like my neural synapses are firing at a faster rate and making more and more connections.

Yes it feels like mercury is on high pressure developmentally, is such a highlighted karmic planet in my chart, is clear I am suppose to really focus on mercury and develop it a lot in his life, it makes me wonder like what on earth is there such a focus on mercury lol, like was I not allowed to exercise my freedom to use my mind in the past? It doesn't matter, I am just glad that I can see my chart and say with certainty that I have truly worked on the things I came here to work on and have not wasted this life. There is definitely still more to work on but there has been a big jump in the last few years that truly took off in 2019.

When I looked up Virgo 23 Sabian and read the title I got really excited, similar to how I get excited when people express their anger, then I saw the image for it in that site, a man hugging a big lion and I loooooooooved this image

The interesting thing is that I am definitely a risk taker although I take calculated risks usually but maybe on 2022 I will take a risk that is significant and will wrap up the lessons related to mercury that I need to integrate! At this point I want to invest in my leadership skills, I can see that this may be the final thing I Need to integrate, to have faith in myself and what I have to offer and my ability to play a leadership role with clinical supervision and go for this, I am not interested in been in charge per say as in leading an entire team or been the "boss," I am interesting in passing down my knowledge and helping others believe in themselves and their skills inline with Mercury in Virgo in the 9H ruling my DC. During clinical supervision you meet one on one with interns and provide guidance and help them grow in confidence, skill set and help them also tap into the skills they already have and you make them feel supported during this process of learning. I am interesting in leading at this point in this context bc I feel I Can do it and will do a great job, I just need to wrap up with my licensing which I am in the process of waiting to hear back about that. This is the fire I feel inside of me lately, this is the direction I want to take next, I feel driven to go that way next, this could be what you are talking about.

I have always admired teachers since I was a kid but teaching an entire class is not my style but teaching one on one with the format of clinical supervision fits me well. Maybe the idea is to come full circle and finally become what I admire and realize that it was in me all along but I did not have the confidence or see it in me, I didn't own this part me, I saw it in others as mercury rules the DC after all and by 2022 I will have perhaps integrated this part of me fully.

posted March 23, 2020 01:40 PM            

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At this point I want to invest in my leadership skills, I can see that this may be the final thing I Need to integrate, to have faith in myself and what I have to offer and my ability to play a leadership role with clinical supervision and go for this, I am not interested in been in charge per say as in leading an entire team or been the "boss," I am interesting in passing down my knowledge and helping others believe in themselves and their skills inline with Mercury in Virgo in the 9H ruling my DC. During clinical supervision you meet one on one with interns and provide guidance and help them grow in confidence, skill set and help them also tap into the skills they already have and you make them feel supported during this process of learning. I am interesting in leading at this point in this context bc I feel I Can do it and will do a great job, I just need to wrap up with my licensing which I am in the process of waiting to hear back about that. This is the fire I feel inside of me lately, this is the direction I want to take next, I feel driven to go that way next, this could be what you are talking about.

I have always admired teachers since I was a kid but teaching an entire class is not my style but teaching one on one with the format of clinical supervision fits me well. Maybe the idea is to come full circle and finally become what I admire and realize that it was in me all along but I did not have the confidence or see it in me, I didn't own this part me, I saw it in others as mercury rules the DC after all and by 2022 I will have perhaps integrated this part of me fully.

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In the above comment, you are "speaking" the interceptions and duplications in your natal chart :-

A 5th/11th house issue is adversely affecting the activities of the 6th/12th houses - which (when resolved) will enable you to more effectively use the qualities of Virgo, Sun, Mercury, Pisces and Moon (in the 3rd/9th houses).[/quote].

5th/11th issue = group vs one-to-one working ... 6th/12th = axis of service ... 3rd/9th = teaching.
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... is astrology your vocation?

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It is just an interest/pass-time that I have informally pursued/studied since retiring from my career in 1993.

However, my career taught me about the law of cause-and-effects (with regard to the behaviour of financial systems). ... And my natal chart "promises" that astrology would be the next step in developing my interest in cause-and-effects (extending it to the habitual behavioural traits/patterns of people).

posted March 23, 2020 02:27 PM            

My pisces is overly developed the trick is that I need to neutralize my pisces more and the key to this is developing my virgo more, I historically always identified more with my moon in pisces than sun in virgo but as I get older and develop more and more my mercury in virgo which rules my northnode I find that my pisces has been balanced out with the virgo. I feel know they are operating in a balanced way and now I am working on this 11H house karma with my saturn there while I keep strengthening my mercury in virgo which rules my chiron in gemini and my northnode in gemini, remember I have chiron inconjunct my saturn on the 11H.

For whatever reason my pisces/12H/Neptune is overdeveloped and I came here to integrate more mercury so I can balance out pisces/virgo axis. I identify now more with sun in virgo lately and pisces and virgo more integrated working together.

posted March 24, 2020 05:03 AM            

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I think you can be an astrologer professionally!

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posted March 29, 2020 01:01 PM            

And my failure to spot the many temporary poleaxe configurations made by progressions and transits to my natal Moon-Mars 165/quindecile (over the last 70 years) flags up the following questions for anyone who reads this thread :-

1) "What happens when a progression/transit turns your natal semi-sextiles, sextiles, squares into temporary poleaxes, yods and thor's hammers?"

2) "What happens when a progression/transit turns your natal 165, 150, 135 aspects into a temporary poleaxe, yod and thorns hammer"?

posted March 31, 2020 01:15 AM            

Tr Sun in Aries is forming an exact Poleaxe with my SUN semisextile Pluto and OMG I get it now.

I had some pretty bad communication issues with someone on this forum the last day or two and this time I felt I was the one that was not able to express herself right and the whole interaction has just been a huge mess IMO and filled with confusion, something about the communication dynamics with The Poleaxe is super foggy and very prone to misunderstandings and I even acknowledge that I did NOT express myself well, like you said it makes you express yourself too forcibly and I just did not direct the message correctly, I was reacting more to something I was frustrated about, a general trend in the population and then it came out like I was directing it at him but I wasn't, and then we worked through it and then it started up again today with the Poleaxe been exact and I don't have the energy or time to unpack that so I said I wish you the best to try to leave it in a nice note and then he blew up to that LOL, I tried to repair it and I did but it somehow re-started today the whole thing, I kept thinking why are we back here again? and I am not attempting to repair it twice...

Craziness this Poleaxe business, oh lord is like you have a moment of weakness in communication and BAM the poleaxe BLOWS IT UP like there is no tomorrow lol! The funny thing is even before it unfolded I had a very bad feeling in my gut, I felt something off energetically in that thread coming from that person but regardless this time I played a role in it, it snowballs really fast with the Poleaxe though how the person reacts to your miscommunication, how I did with you but I atleast cut it off quickly and walked way bc I could tell something was off about the communication dynamics and then at later date in this thread we talked it out.

You know when there is a Poleaxe bc the whole things feels wrong and really off, like something not in your control has taking over the communication dynamics.

Such a strange phenomenon.....

You are a genius.

posted March 31, 2020 02:04 AM            

He has Jupiter semisextile Neptune exact which forms a POLEAXE with his natal CHIRON so he has a natal POLEAXE, at least one so far, my northnode in GEMINI conjuncts his CHIRON in gemini which opposes Uranus in Saggy which conjuncts my Southnode!

He keeps saying he has issues communicating with mercury in virgo, well mercury in virgo squares his chiron and my mercury in virgo conjuncts his 12H cusp.

OMG that explains it all. We had so many good conversations but yes this was inevitably going to happen with his configuration in his chart and how my mercury and nodes tie into it. LIKE WOW.

posted March 31, 2020 12:43 PM            

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He has Jupiter semisextile Neptune exact which forms a POLEAXE with his natal CHIRON so he has a natal POLEAXE ... Posted by hypatia238

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Saturn semi-sextile Neptune?

posted March 31, 2020 01:35 PM            

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[b]Saturn semi-sextile Neptune?

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Yes!

and his Saturn conjuncts my Jupiter conjunct Uranus (ruler of my 3H) in the 12H which rules my Chart. Critical of me and my views maybe?

His Poleaxe interacts with my chart with my nodes, mercury and chart ruler jupiter conjunct uranus LOL

It was a disaster but we have good conversations until Tr Sun activated a Poleaxe in my chart.....

posted March 31, 2020 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yes!

and his Saturn conjuncts my Jupiter conjunct Uranus (ruler of my 3H) in the 12H which rules my Chart. Critical of me and my views maybe?

His Poleaxe interacts with my chart with my nodes, mercury and chart ruler jupiter conjunct uranus LOL

It was a disaster but we have good conversations until Tr Sun activated a Poleaxe in my chart.....

Probably worst online communication mess I have experienced so far...

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So ... the negative interaction was not all down to you ... six of one and half-a-dozen of the other.

But, what matters is that you are now conscious of how your temporary poleaxe can influence your communications/interactions with others.

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Critical of me and my views maybe?

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posted March 31, 2020 02:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hypatia238:
[b] Yes!

and his Saturn conjuncts my Jupiter conjunct Uranus (ruler of my 3H) in the 12H which rules my Chart. Critical of me and my views maybe?

His Poleaxe interacts with my chart with my nodes, mercury and chart ruler jupiter conjunct uranus LOL

It was a disaster but we have good conversations until Tr Sun activated a Poleaxe in my chart.....

Probably worst online communication mess I have experienced so far...

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So ... the negative interaction was not all down to you ... six of one and half-a-dozen of the other.

But, what matters is that you are now conscious of how your temporary poleaxe can influence your communications/interactions with others.

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Yes this configuration is intense and messy and foggy and weird and odd, it makes it impossible to have a conversation and my gut was telling me yes Laura this time you messed up but my gut felt he also played a role in this mess too.

WOW so his poleaxe interacts with my chart intimately with my nodes and DC ruler and then transit moon activated more this Poleaxe for him and Tr Sun activated a Poleaxe with my chart via transit....

This was like a POLEAXE EXPLOSION!

posted March 31, 2020 02:18 PM            

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WOW so his poleaxe interacts with my chart intimately with my nodes and DC ruler and then transit moon activated more this Poleaxe for him and Tr Sun activated a Poleaxe with my chart via transit....

This was like a POLEAXE EXPLOSION!

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posted March 19, 2021 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I don't have it but it looks like when TR CHIRON enters ARIES at 11 degrees it will complete this pattern with my sun semi sextile pluto.

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posted March 20, 2021 02:54 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Uhhhh that is coming up in September 2021, chiron will be in Aries retro.

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Transit Chiron at 12Aries11 to 14Aries14 (in natal 4th) will indeed create a temporary poleaxe. ... But, how might your natal Chiron wound (in Gemini/6th) be modified by being in fearless Aries/4th house of psychological foundations?