posted March 19, 2020 11:33 AM            

The triangular configuration in the above image is known as a poleaxe and consists of two quindeciles + one semi-sextile ... a combination of minor aspects that probably results in it appearing only rarely in natal charts.

However, the presence of either a 165/quindecile or a 30/semi-sextile in natal charts is quite common. ... And chart owners that do have one of those aspects will experience the effects of a temporary poleaxe whenever a third planet progresses or transits within one degree of a conjunction with the "empty leg".

Currently, I am undergoing a temporary (but long-term) poleaxe experience, as transit Pluto (in Capricorn/4th is activating a natal Moon (in Cancer/10) 165/quindecile Mars (in Sagittarius/3). ... So, I'd welcome any views/insights from members about how they would expect the poleaxe in the posted image to manifest*.

posted March 19, 2020 12:42 PM            

A new pattern to explore and I find quindeciles very interesting and powerful.

I Have SUN semisextile exact PLUTO...let me check for this pattern and see if I have it....

posted March 19, 2020 01:30 PM            

Interesting enough my 11H is in between this semisextile aspect....

When Tr Uranus hits 15 degree it will activate a Poleaxe from my 5H....

Can't find anything on it...some other astro site says the Poleaxe is a square with a third planet completing a triangle with it via a sesquisquare.

posted March 19, 2020 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
What do you consider an allowable orb for a quindecile? I know Noel Tyl recommends a maximum of 2-2.5 degrees, but that seems wide to me.

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I'd use harmonic orbs for natal-to-natal aspects, which gives a maximum orb of 30 arc minutes for the 24H. ... However, in her book (The Quindecile) Rikki Reeves uses 2 arc degrees for all natal-to-natal aspects - and sometimes extends that to 2deg30mins if the Sun or Moon are involved.

She uses a maximum orb of 1 degree for all progressions-to-natal; 1 degree for Uranus/Neptune/Pluto transits; 2 degrees for Jupiter/Saturn transits and ignores personal planet transits.

I use a maximum orb of 1 degree for all progressions and transits.

posted March 19, 2020 01:51 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I also have my chart ruler Jupiter semisextile Saturn but by 3 degrees so probably doesn't count, too wide for a semisextile!....

Interesting enough my 11H is in between this semisextile aspect....

When Tr Uranus hits 15 degree it will activate a Poleaxe from my 5H....

Can't find anything on it...some other astro site says the Poleaxe is a square with a third planet completing a triangle with it via a sesquisquare.

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posted March 19, 2020 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
The square + 2 sesquisquares (135-90-135) is a [b]Thor's Hammer. ... But, it is a 24H configuration - as is the 150-60-150 Yod - and these 3 triangular configurations may have in common that they point to some kind of "fated unfolding" of a long-term lesson (or personal development).[/B]

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That is right! that is a THOR'S HAMMER! hahahah my bad, I knew that.

"and these 3 triangular configurations may have in common that they point to some kind of "fated unfolding" of a long-term lesson (or personal development)."

Love this input, thanks.

I only truly have that one semisextile involving my sun and pluto...I will look at past transits that may have activated this Poleaxe.

So far have not found it triggering my chart on significant dates but will keep searching and look into solar arc too....

posted March 19, 2020 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
I'd use harmonic orbs for natal-to-natal aspects, which gives a maximum orb of 30 arc minutes for the 24H. ... However, in her book (The Quindecile) Rikki Reeves uses 2 arc degrees for all natal-to-natal aspects - and sometimes extends that to 2deg30mins if the Sun or Moon are involved.

She uses a maximum orb of 1 degree for all progressions-to-natal; 1 degree for Uranus/Neptune/Pluto transits; 2 degrees for Jupiter/Saturn transits and ignores personal planet transits.

I use a maximum orb of 1 degree for all progressions and transits.

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Using harmonic orbs there are no formations of this kind in my natal chart. Using a wider orb of about 1 degree there are three, of which one is made up of only planets. All three are exact enough for the apex planet to be within orb of the midpoint of the other two. So it's a bit hard to tell if the effects I feel from them is due to midpoint picture or aspect pattern, or both...

Thicker lines for harmonic orb and thinner for wider orb.

posted March 20, 2020 03:34 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I also have my chart ruler Jupiter semisextile Saturn but by 3 degrees so probably doesn't count, too wide for a semisextile!....

Interesting enough my 11H is in between this semisextile aspect....

When Tr Uranus hits 15 degree it will activate a Poleaxe from my 5H....

Can't find anything on it...some other astro site says the Poleaxe is a square with a third planet completing a triangle with it via a sesquisquare.

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I suspect (now) that you may have been a "victim" of my temporary Poleaxe* on 9th February 2020, hypatia ... when we had a disagreement/clash of values at http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241686.html

[*My natal Cancer/10th Moon quindecile Sagittarius/3rd Mars had both planets simultaneously activated by the transit of Pluto, at 23Capricorn42 in natal 4th. ... But, how would you describe/interpret the manifestation of that temporary (yet long-lasting) Poleaxe - in the context of our 9th February 2020 interaction? (Please do not attempt to be tactful/diplomatic in your interpretation - because, to learn from that event, I need a Pluto-in-Capricorn/uncompromising delivery of its message.)]

posted March 20, 2020 04:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Nadja:
Using harmonic orbs there are no formations of this kind in my natal chart. Using a wider orb of about 1 degree there are three, of which one is made up of only planets. All three are exact enough for the apex planet to be within orb of the midpoint of the other two. So it's a bit hard to tell if the effects I feel from them is due to midpoint picture or aspect pattern, or both...

Thicker lines for harmonic orb and thinner for wider orb.

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All serious students of astrology are likely to be of above-average-sensitivity, so widening your natal 24H orbs to around 1 degree is a reasonable thing to do. That does indeed leave us with three valid natal poleaxe configurations ... Chiron-Neptune-Black Moon : Pluto-Jupiter-Ascendant : Venus-Pluto-Jupiter. ... And the Venus-Chiron semi-sextile will become a temporary poleaxe when activated (from Sagittarius) by progressions or transits.

So ... I'd expect these three poleaxe figures to already have had a significant influence in your life, which might have passed unnoticed at the time but (probably) delivered messages/lessons that may still be worth looking back upon now.

posted March 20, 2020 06:08 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I don't have it but it looks like when TR CHIRON enters ARIES at 11 degrees it will complete this pattern with my sun semi sextile pluto.

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On 18th March 2020, you expressed a difference of opinions/values with those of Kannon at http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241786.html ...

posted March 20, 2020 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
I suspect (now) that you may have been a "victim" of my temporary Poleaxe* on 9th February 2020, hypatia ... when we had a disagreement/clash of values at http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241686.html

[*My natal Cancer/10th Moon quindecile Sagittarius/3rd Mars had both planets simultaneously activated by the transit of Pluto, at 23Capricorn42 in natal 4th. ... But, how would you describe/interpret the manifestation of that temporary (yet long-lasting) Poleaxe - in the context of our 9th February 2020 interaction? (Please do not attempt to be tactful/diplomatic in your interpretation - because, to learn from that event, I need a Pluto-in-Capricorn/uncompromising delivery of its message.)]

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Graham I did not go back to that thread after my last response but I will try to go back in my head to it and tell you the sense of what I get happened that day.

I think you were concerned about astrology been used to target people, concerned of astrologers developing a habit of assuming people are guilty of a crime because they have certain aspects, at the core I feel that was your Concern but you were not able to express that concern well that day for whatever reason so it ended up playing out awkwardly.

I feel that is a valid concern. I ultimately feel we can notice patterns in people's charts who engage in deviant behavior but that doesn't mean everyone with that pattern will act it out in that way so we have to be careful with making assumptions that this can be generalized. This been said I also feel as astrologers we study patterns and we will do that for deviant behavior as well.

I think that is what was in your heart that day. Been wrongly accused is a very PAINFUL experience specially if is followed by people distancing themselves from you and becoming an outcast. I will always feel evidence needs to backed up with whatever we suspect we see astrologically bc free will, up bringing and the fact an energy can manifest in different ways all play into.

posted March 20, 2020 01:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
On 18th March 2020, you expressed a difference of opinions/values with those of Kannon at http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/241786.html ...

... Was any progression or transit in Aries forming a temporary poleaxe with your natal Sun-Pluto at the time?

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I responded to a feedback he gave calmly with a section from an article I had posted earlier in the thread. I never thought this would trigger him to close the thread, it was a normal interaction. I think he is also impacted by this coronavirus chaos and is struggling with processing this information overload that is been thrown at all of us which is a lot, we are all having a hard time processing so much information and I feel him closing the thread was his way of getting some sense of control over the chaos happening around this, I feel it had do less with transits to my chart and more with transits to his chart is the feeling I get bc I was not triggered, I was calm and did not see coming at all him closing the thread out of nowhere.

He said that this is more serious than he thought bc is more contagious than the flue but NOT more fatal, I responded to this feedback, I think he is having a hard time accepting that it is more fatal than the flue so then he felt the article I was posting was mis-information but I feel he is on denial which is a normal reaction to grief and this whole thing is a type grief. I could see the Mercury in Taurus playing out there with something pluto. He is a good guy, this coronavirus thing is hard on all of us and we all are dealing/reacting to it differently.

posted March 20, 2020 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I responded to a feedback he gave calmly with a section from an article I had posted earlier in the thread. I never thought this would trigger him to close the thread, it was a normal interaction. I think he is also impacted by this coronavirus chaos and is struggling with processing this information overload that is been thrown at all of us which is a lot, we are all having a hard time processing so much information and I feel him closing the thread was his way of getting some sense of control over the chaos happening around this, I feel it had do less with transits to my chart and more with transits to his chart is the feeling I get bc I was not triggered, I was calm and did not see coming at all him closing the thread out of nowhere.

He said that this is more serious than he thought bc is more contagious than the flue but NOT more fatal, I responded to this feedback, I think he is having a hard time accepting that it is more fatal than the flue so then he felt the article I was posting was mis-information but I feel he is on denial which is a normal reaction to grief and this whole thing is a type grief. I could see the Mercury in Taurus playing out there with something pluto. He is a good guy, this coronavirus thing is hard on all of us and we all are dealing/reacting to it differently.

But let me check transits, nothing activated my sun semisextile pluto but that wide jupiter semisextile saturn PERHAPS was activated by Tr VENUS in Taurus at 13d44...let me check....

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Okay Tr VENUS did quindecile my Natal Saturn in Scorpio by nearly 2 degrees but no it did not activate a Poleaxe bc it did not quindecile my chart ruler jupiter.

But I guess venus in taurus can represent social dynamics and saturn in scorpio is karma and the theme been scorpio we may be dealing with control and power so maybe your intuition is onto something.

posted March 20, 2020 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I responded to a feedback he gave calmly with a section from an article I had posted earlier in the thread. I never thought this would trigger him to close the thread, it was a normal interaction. I think he is also impacted by this coronavirus chaos and is struggling with processing this information overload that is been thrown at all of us which is a lot, we are all having a hard time processing so much information and I feel him closing the thread was his way of getting some sense of control over the chaos happening around this, I feel it had do less with transits to my chart and more with transits to his chart is the feeling I get bc I was not triggered, I was calm and did not see coming at all him closing the thread out of nowhere.

He said that this is more serious than he thought bc is more contagious than the flue but NOT more fatal, I responded to this feedback, I think he is having a hard time accepting that it is more fatal than the flue so then he felt the article I was posting was mis-information but I feel he is on denial which is a normal reaction to grief and this whole thing is a type grief. I could see the Mercury in Taurus playing out there with something pluto. He is a good guy, this coronavirus thing is hard on all of us and we all are dealing/reacting to it differently.

But let me check transits, nothing activated my sun semisextile pluto but that wide jupiter semisextile saturn PERHAPS was activated by Tr VENUS in Taurus at 13d44...let me check....

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From attempting to ascertain how my own temporary poleaxe manifests, it "feels" as though one was (somehow) involved here.

posted March 20, 2020 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Graham I did not go back to that thread after my last response but I will try to go back in my head to it and tell you the sense of what I get happened that day.

I think you were concerned about astrology been used to target people, concerned of astrologers developing a habit of assuming people are guilty of a crime because they have certain aspects, at the core I feel that was your Concern but you were not able to express that concern well that day for whatever reason so it ended up playing out awkwardly.

I feel that is a valid concern. I ultimately feel we can notice patterns in people's charts who engage in deviant behavior but that doesn't mean everyone with that pattern will act it out in that way so we have to be careful with making assumptions that this can be generalized. This been said I also feel as astrologers we study patterns and we will do that for deviant behavior as well.

I think that is what was in your heart that day. Been wrongly accused is a very PAINFUL experience specially if is followed by people distancing themselves from you and becoming an outcast. I will always feel evidence needs to backed up with whatever we suspect we see astrologically bc free will, up bringing and the fact an energy can manifest in different ways all play into.

The other issue was about bullying, we disagreed on this if I remember correctly, I hate that people bully and am the first one with the instinct to stand up and defend someone who is been bullied but I Feel people also need to learn to stand up for themselves and deal with the bullies of the world. As adults we will come across this in more subtle ways and we have to fight back and be able to handle stuff like that ourselves. I got the sense you are politically in favor of making bullying illegal, I just feel this has consequences too and we are raising kids teaching them about "safe places" and when they go out into the world as adults those "safe places" they learned about in school and college are not real in the real world so then the skills to cope with such situations did not get developed. I suppose some people would like this concept of "safe places" to expand beyond the educational system but would this help develop high functioning adults in the end? I get the desire to find ways to control behavior that is emotionally hurtful to others but this approach can also quickly get out of control.

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I am still a long way from understanding how my temporary poleaxe manifests, hypatia. ... However, I suspect that (like the Thor's Hammer) it causes the person to communicate ineffectively - so, perhaps an emotional attachment by the person which results in "a valid message/point being delivered in the wrong way - or too forcibly."

posted March 20, 2020 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
I am still a long way from understanding how my temporary poleaxe manifests, hypatia. ... However, I suspect that (like the Thor's Hammer) it causes the person to communicate [b]ineffectively - so, perhaps an emotional attachment by the person which results in "a valid message/point being delivered in the wrong way - or too forcibly."

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posted March 20, 2020 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
From attempting to ascertain how my own temporary poleaxe manifests, it "feels" as though one was (somehow) involved here.

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Are you saying that I played a role too?

I think the thread should have not been closed and in this case I felt power was used to shut me up inappropriately.

I wanted to not say anything and let it go bc I don't think that was his conscious intention and like I explained earlier I feel it was more about his own personal reaction to this explosion of information around coronavirus and this global crisis than about me, it wasn't about me how he reacted so my instincts told me to just let it go but another part of me felt it was important to express what I saw wrong with how he handled it.

posted March 21, 2020 02:52 AM            

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Are you saying that I played a role too?

I think the thread should have not been closed and in this case I felt power was used to shut me up inappropriately.

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I am not sure of the UT time when Kannon posted that he was closing the thread - but think it was around midnight (00:00am) on 19th March 2020 ... when transit Venus was at 14Taurus46.

Kannon has a 29deg44min natal semi-sextile from Jupiter in Scorpio/2nd to Neptune in Sagittarius/4th ... which has the far midpoint at 15Taurus17. ... So, a transit of Venus from 14Taurus17 to 16Taurus17 would have created a temporary poleaxe for him.

And what could illustrate the nature of the poleaxe better than the closing of a thread perceived (by the wielder of the poleaxe) as "doing harm"?

[My guess is that you were (somehow) the deliverer of the transit Venus message to Kannon's natal Jupiter-Neptune semi-sextile, hypatia**.]
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** If Kannon was indeed wielding a temporary poleaxe when closing your coronavirus thread, hypatia ... it is probably worth noting that you have been a "victim" of both his and my temporary poleaxe.

His was activated by a Venus transit and mine by a Pluto transit. ... So are Venus and Pluto dominant players in your natal chart? (Since that would enable those two planets to "use" you [unconsciously] as a deliverer of their messages/lessons/issues to others)?
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I wanted to not say anything and let it go bc I don't think that was his conscious intention and like I explained earlier I feel it was more about his own personal reaction to this explosion of information around coronavirus and this global crisis than about me, it wasn't about me how he reacted so my instincts told me to just let it go but another part of me felt it was important to express what I saw wrong with how he handled it.

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[Thus, another example of the poleaxe manifesting as the over-strong expression/communication of a matter to which one is personally attached.]
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I feel lately I am working a lot on my saturn in scorpio inconjunct chiron in gemini wound so it made sense I chose to speak up. This been said I am reflecting a lot on power and group dynamics and my part in achieving a balance in this! So yes I am also reflecting on how I can improve. Its not easy, tricky but I am thinking about it a lot lately, my part too, I need to consider this important part of it too to truly transcend this karmic wound.

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posted March 21, 2020 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
All serious students of astrology are likely to be of above-average-sensitivity, so widening your natal 24H orbs to around 1 degree is a reasonable thing to do. That does indeed leave us with three valid natal poleaxe configurations ... Chiron-Neptune-Black Moon : Pluto-Jupiter-Ascendant : Venus-Pluto-Jupiter. ... And the Venus-Chiron semi-sextile will become a temporary poleaxe when activated (from Sagittarius) by progressions or transits.

So ... I'd expect these three poleaxe figures to already have had a significant influence in your life, which might have passed unnoticed at the time but (probably) delivered messages/lessons that may still be worth looking back upon now.

[With regard to the apex degrees being at the far-midpoints of the base degrees, I see that as being a second astrological indicator in the "rule of three" - thus underlining that these poleaxe figures are indeed a significant influence for you.]

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I can't think of any specific lessons learned that I can relate to the above configurations. None that immediately come to mind at least. I do however recognize personality traits and/or behaviours that I can be attributed to those figures. Most notably so with Venus-Pluto-Jupiter. I tend towards excess in all things, but especially with regards to material comforts. I have an aesthetic fascination with the borderline between decadence and decay. I have a spiritual fascination with the process of life-death-rebirth / fecundity-decay-new growth. I'm posessed of a relentless sense of optimism, one might even say excessive, or even panglossian. And my obsessive need to be creative might also have something to do with this formation... But if there is a lesson to be learned then I guess it's about creative destruction. How excess turns to decay but also how something new always springs from destruction of the old. How to let go of the old and embrace the new. To not obsessively cling to the past.

posted March 21, 2020 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:
I am not sure of the UT time when Kannon posted that he was closing the thread - but think it was around midnight (00:00am) on 19th March 2020 ... when transit Venus was at 14Taurus46.

Kannon has a 29deg44min natal semi-sextile from Jupiter in Scorpio/2nd to Neptune in Sagittarius/4th ... which has the far midpoint at 15Taurus17. ... So, a transit of Venus from 14Taurus17 to 16Taurus17 would have created a temporary poleaxe for him.

And what could illustrate the nature of the poleaxe better than the closing of a thread perceived (by the wielder of the poleaxe) as "doing harm"?

[My guess is that you were (somehow) the deliverer of the transit Venus message to Kannon's natal Jupiter-Neptune semi-sextile, hypatia**.]
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** If Kannon was indeed wielding a temporary poleaxe when closing your coronavirus thread, hypatia ... it is probably worth noting that you have been a "victim" of both his and my temporary poleaxe.

His was activated by a Venus transit and mine by a Pluto transit. ... So are Venus and Pluto dominant players in your natal chart? (Since that would enable those two planets to "use" you [unconsciously] as a deliverer of their messages/lessons/issues to others)?
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Pluto rules my 11H and my 12H and Venus rules my 10H, 5H and 6H, I have venus conjunct mars in the 8H sextile Pluto in the 10H towards the end of the 10H. I have pisces/virgo intercepted with mercury rx opposite moon in pisces squaring my nodes.

Mercury is the last dispositor of my venus and pluto (e.g. venus in leo, sun in virgo, mercury rx in virgo/Pluto in libra, venus in leo, sun in virgo, mercury rx in virgo). Maybe this is why I am messenger of venus and pluto. Interesting you picked up on this.

Interesting you used the word "unconsciously" since pluto rules my 12H. I suppose moon in pisces in the 3H forming a golden yod with chiron in gemini and pluto also may have played a role.

posted March 21, 2020 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

So ... as with my poleaxe ... you recognized his right to raise the point (and yours to agree or disagree with it) ... but challenged/questioned the way in which he expressed it.

[Thus, another example of the poleaxe manifesting as the over-strong expression/communication of a matter to which one is personally attached.]

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posted March 21, 2020 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Graham:

Progressions and transits will turn that natal Saturn-Chiron qcx into temporary yods? ... Thus, planets at the Capricorn activation degree will produce a Chiron-apex Yod and planets at the Aries activation degree will produce a Saturn-apex yod - providing an opportunity to clearly identify what each of those two natal bodies are striving to achieve.

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My saturn in scorpio on my 11H and how having scorpio on my 11H impacts me socially and with friendships has been a lot on my mind lately, like transits are highlighting this area and slowing it down for me so I can examine it more in slow motion in a sense.

Natal Saturn in Scorpio at 2d39
11H in Scorpio at 2d53

Progressed Sun in Scorpio at 4d11
***Progressed mercury in Scorpio at 2d34***

***Tr chiron in aries has completed a YOD with my chiron inconjunct saturn with Tr Uranus in Taurus as the release point of this yod, this has been happening on and off as chiron and uranus go retro and direct.***

Then we have Tr PHOLUS and Tr Southnode in Cappy also activating a yod with my saturn inconjunct chiron marking a turning point (pholus) for me were I find my voice/power and let go of stagnant energy that was getting in the way of that (Southnode). Both of these yods are now separating and weakening.

I feel all this is helping me find my voice and power but I have to find a balance too in friendships/groups bc I have to make sure I create space for others to use their voice and power and help others find their voice and power while also making sure I don't sacrifice my voice and power, we can all be powerful is the lesson I guess that I am trying to integrate, practice and live by, finding that balance.

Progressed venus in Virgo at 17d52
Progressed mars in Virgo at 17d18
Natal Mercury Rx in Virgo at 17d12 square my nodes activated my March supermoon

posted March 22, 2020 05:58 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Pluto rules my 11H and my 12H and Venus rules my 10H, 5H and 6H, I have venus conjunct mars in the 8H sextile Pluto in the 10H towards the end of the 10H. I have pisces/virgo intercepted with mercury rx opposite moon in pisces squaring my nodes.

Mercury is the last dispositor of my venus and pluto (e.g. venus in leo, sun in virgo, mercury rx in virgo/Pluto in libra, venus in leo, sun in virgo, mercury rx in virgo). Maybe this is why I am messenger of venus and pluto. Interesting you picked up on this.

Interesting you used the word "unconsciously" since pluto rules my 12H. I suppose moon in pisces in the 3H forming a golden yod with chiron in gemini and pluto also may have played a role.

The way you were able to unpack this and your ability to self reflect about this in a detached way is extremely impressive and how you were then able to tie it to astrology is also quite impressive. You are an excellent astrologer btw.

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