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CardinalT-Square
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posted July 31, 2020 05:34 PM
  
I'm a life-path 9, looking at my 9th Harmonic Chart, my Sun is in Capricorn, as opposed to Cancer in my Natal. Depending on orbs for points, my MC is conjunct my NN at 8° in Scorpio, my SN is conjunct Mercury, IC, and Mars, all in Taurus, Mercury conjuncts IC at about a degree, and Mars conjuncts my IC at about a degree and conjuncts my SN at 8°. My Moon squares these in Aquarius at a 5° orb. The only thing I have aspecting my NN/SN in my Natal is my Sun at a 4° square. What does this mean for me?IP: Logged |
Graham
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posted August 01, 2020 03:44 AM
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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
I'm a life-path 9, looking at my 9th Harmonic Chart, my Sun is in Capricorn, as opposed to Cancer in my Natal. Depending on orbs for points, my MC is conjunct my NN at 8° in Scorpio, my SN is conjunct Mercury, IC, and Mars, all in Taurus, Mercury conjuncts IC at about a degree, and Mars conjuncts my IC at about a degree and conjuncts my SN at 8°. My Moon squares these in Aquarius at a 5° orb. The only thing I have aspecting my NN/SN in my Natal is my Sun at a 4° square. What does this mean for me?
You are describing the details of your 9H chart (rather than the 9H aspects in your natal chart), CT-S. ... So :- 1. "My Sun is in Capricorn." ... This is meaningless, so ignore. 2. "MC is conjunct my NN." ... Ignore all aspects to angles. 3. "SN/Mercury/Mars conjunct IC" ... ignore aspects to angles. 4. "SN/Mercury/Mars conjunct" ... Thus 9H aspects in natal. 5. "Moon square Mercury, at 5 degrees" ... 4 deg maximum orb for squares, so ignore this. 6. "Moon square Mars" ... 36H aspect in natal. 7. "Nodes square Sun" ... Thus 36H aspects in natal. (4x9). 8. Moon/Mars/Jupiter+Venus learning triangle. ... Within orb, so valid/active.
_________________________________________________________________ The 9H behavioural trait = "joy" ... Thus, these aspects reveal which planets are working with (or against) each other when you are doing something that gives you considerable pleasure/enjoyment. ... For example, Moon-Mars-Jupiter-Venus are learning how to work together in a way that will increase the joy/pleasure obtained by doing something (and that something will be described by the NATAL signs+houses of those planets). IP: Logged |
CardinalT-Square
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posted August 01, 2020 05:07 AM
Now I'm really confused Graham, so you're saying I should be looking at my 11thH chart instead? Also, my Moon is actually just under 4° square to both Mercury and Mars, if we're strictly talking about planets and ignoring points. Damn Dyslexia😆IP: Logged |
Graham
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posted August 01, 2020 05:56 AM
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Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:
Now I'm really confused Graham, so you're saying I should be looking at my 11thH chart instead? Also, my Moon is actually just under 4° square to both Mercury and Mars, if we're strictly talking about planets and ignoring points. Damn Dyslexia😆
No ... I misposted 11H, instead of 9H ... You should indeed be looking at the 9H ... And I have your 9H Moon-square-Mercury at 4deg29, but it is valid (although weak) if actually within 4 degrees.
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Dons2angelss
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posted August 01, 2020 09:43 AM
I think I my 4th harmonic doesn't relate to the 4th in numerology because of the grand trine. The 4th harmonic is about ease of happiness and home life, emotions, and general well being. Those trines have come in super handy in my life. I've never had to work very hard to find a home, job, or money. Just by dumb luck they've always fallen into my lap. No matter how difficult the situation I'm in, it's like the universe has always had my back and I've been aware of this too. I just sit back and wait until the opportunity shows up. Almost like I've manifested exactly what I need at the exact right time. I don't get angry or "too" worried I won't make it. I handle stress very well because of this. My outlook is on the positive side and that really helps. When one door closes, I just look for the other open ones. So, the stability part of the 4th number is all mental for me. I'm not saying I haven't had some dark times but, I bounce back with my way of seeing the situation that helps me to navigate to the light. I hope this image shows, I'm using a new site. This is my 4th harmonic.
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Graham
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posted August 02, 2020 03:11 AM
Originally posted by D2a : quote:
The 4th harmonic is about ease of happiness and home life, emotions, and general well being.
That is correct if practicing "harmonic astrology", where the harmonic chart is viewed from the perspective of houses ... but "harmonic aspects astrology" views the harmonic chart from the perspective of behavioural traits, with the 4H being "actively tackling a problem". And I guess we actively tackle problems in order to bring stability/security to something that is currently causing us to feel unstable/insecure. IP: Logged |
Dons2angelss
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posted August 03, 2020 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by Graham:
Originally posted by D2a : That is correct if practicing "harmonic astrology", where the harmonic chart is viewed from the perspective of houses ... but "harmonic aspects astrology" views the harmonic chart from the perspective of behavioural traits, with the 4H being "actively tackling a problem". And I guess we actively tackle problems in order to bring stability/security to something that is currently causing us to feel unstable/insecure.
OK, I've read up on the differences between aspect harmonics and harmonic houses. A little confusing but, I'm wondering how I would read my 4th harmonic differently. I get lost when trying to find exactly what aspect belongs to which group when looking deeper into harmonic charts. The trines in my 4th aren't squares in my natal so, what would they be? And how does my 4th aspect harmonic chart relate to the number 4 in numerology? IP: Logged |
Graham
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posted August 03, 2020 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
OK, I've read up on the differences between aspect harmonics and harmonic houses. A little confusing but, I'm wondering how I would read my 4th harmonic differently. I get lost when trying to find exactly what aspect belongs to which group when looking deeper into harmonic charts. The trines in my 4th aren't squares in my natal so, what would they be? And how does my 4th aspect harmonic chart relate to the number 4 in numerology?
A trine in the 4H chart is a 12th harmonic aspect in the natal chart (3x4 = 12) ... and a trine/3H aspect in the 4th harmonic chart. Stability is the link between life path 4 and the 4th harmonic chart.
_________________________________________________________________ Perhaps the 4H will become clearer if you consider that trine to just a part of the Representative figure which it makes via the aspects to Mars. In Aspect Pattern Astrology, the Hubers state :- "A representative defends an idea, a philosophy or political trend with their whole being. She can feel under obligation to a community or also represent something on her own initiative with her versatile powers of persuasion. She can also regain what has been lost. ... ... These people and their always genuine opinions strike others as harmonious in a holistic or cathartic way, so that it can be said of them 'what you see is what you get'. ... ... A search triangle (Mars-Jupiter-Saturn) and a learning triangle (Uranus-Mars-Saturn) form a wedge between the Grand/Talent Trine and the dominant development triangle (Uranus-Mars-Jupiter). Intelligent searching for the right answers lead to personal development, which is a holistic process that is stored forever in the Talent Trine." Since that Representative figure dominates your 4th harmonic chart, it is likely to be the primary focus of the related behavioural trait (effort; tackling a problem). And the 4th house life path (stability and process) indicates the reason why you put this effort into being a representative. ... (In effect, you are seeking to stabilise whatever you perceive to be unstable - i.e.. to field potential problems before they manifest as actual problems.)
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Dons2angelss
Knowflake Posts: 848
From: Virginia, US
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posted August 04, 2020 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by Graham:
A trine in the 4H chart is a 12th harmonic aspect in the natal chart (3x4 = 12) ... and a trine/3H aspect in the 4th harmonic chart.Stability is the link between life path 4 and the 4th harmonic chart.
_________________________________________________________________ Perhaps the 4H will become clearer if you consider that trine to just a part of the [b]Representative figure which it makes via the aspects to Mars. In Aspect Pattern Astrology, the Hubers state :- "A representative defends an idea, a philosophy or political trend with their whole being. She can feel under obligation to a community or also represent something on her own initiative with her versatile powers of persuasion. She can also regain what has been lost. ... ... These people and their always genuine opinions strike others as harmonious in a holistic or cathartic way, so that it can be said of them 'what you see is what you get'. ... ... A search triangle (Mars-Jupiter-Saturn) and a learning triangle (Uranus-Mars-Saturn) form a wedge between the Grand/Talent Trine and the dominant development triangle (Uranus-Mars-Jupiter). Intelligent searching for the right answers lead to personal development, which is a holistic process that is stored forever in the Talent Trine." Since that Representative figure dominates your 4th harmonic chart, it is likely to be the primary focus of the related behavioural trait (effort; tackling a problem). And the 4th house life path (stability and process) indicates the reason why you put this effort into being a representative. ... (In effect, you are seeking to stabilise whatever you perceive to be unstable - i.e.. to field potential problems before they manifest as actual problems.) [/B]
This I can definitely relate to. Cover my bases and never count my chickens before they hatch. IP: Logged |
Randall
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