posted December 11, 2020 07:53 PM            

I understand Pluto touching any of the angles on one's birth chart to be a powerful thing...In what way(s) is this "powerful", though?

I have this conjunction in my chart by 3 degrees (Pluto is in my 6H, though).

I would say about 80% of what I've watched/read doesn't resonate with me and seems pretty pessimistic. For instance, that Pluto opp Asc people are manipulative extremists. That they attract manipulative/abusive/needy/controlling people (esp partners), even stalkers. That they can become co-dependent in relationships.

I understand the Descendant can be about what you're attracted to and, alternatively, what you project of yourself onto others, but again...Pluto is in my 6H? Plus I highly value my independence/space, but worth noting Sag is my 7th house...(that's also the sign my generation's Pluto is in).

I am secretive and have been described as "mysterious" by some (ironically a Scorpio friend told me this), yes, but I don't feel like I attract Plutonic/Scorpio people (I've been attracted *to* one but lol that didn't work out), and --knock on wood-- I've never dealt with clingy people or stalkers.

Are there certain aspects that "soften" this aspect? For instance, I have a strong sextile between my Venus/Mars, which I've heard helps with attracting the right energy or types of people in one's life...

Overall I've just found very little insight on Pluto/Descendant aspects and would really appreciate if anyone could offer more insight!

posted December 11, 2020 08:16 PM            

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posted December 11, 2020 09:51 PM            

These can be and usually are very different in nature. True power is found within from choosing and attuning to Source and Love consciousness and from positive service to others.

Power seeking is an ego, control thing wherein one tries to accumulate power and influence through status, connections, wealth, making others afraid, force, physical violence, manipulation, sexual and/or personality attraction/glamor, etc.

These latter type of Plutonian partners are best to be avoided. The former Plutonian type partners are a rare jewel of priceless worth and value and are very helpful to be associated with/close to.

Few Plutonians are in between. They really do gravitate to one over the other. Sometimes they transform or devolve from one to the other in the same life.

Isabel M. Hickey gives an excellent example in her book, Astrology: A Cosmic Science and in her section on Pluto. She talks about a well known spiritualist(?), healer guy in the Boston area I believe, who for many years served people well and positively. During a major Pluto transit, he went in front of his congregation, and said something like, "from now on, you should pray to me."

Pluto is the test of power. He failed miserably and "fell". (Quite likely, there was powerful psychic, ET and/or nonphysical meddling involved by some very strong and psychopathic beings).

The highest type of Plutonian, knows that they are only the channel for the true power, and not the power themselves. They know that the power ever comes from Source and Love/the Oneness of the Whole. Even Yeshua rarely ever took personal credit for the healings he did or the knowledge/wisdom he had. He usually credited the "Abba" (i.e. the active, creative, manifesting side of Source). His job, he knew, was to purify himself so that this could channel through purely and powerfully through him to others.

posted December 12, 2020 08:43 AM            

Well, I didn't attracted stalkers, or creepy types.But I am attracted (and attracted people) to people that has some sort of power aura, more likely inner strength. I am %100 committed and loyal person in a relationship. Funny thing that I had 2 open enemies in the past and two of them was scorpio moon. They probably hold grudges like crazy even right now even though I dont care about past. Nearly all of my open enemies had some narcissistic, manipulative vibe. Partners were powerful, and very attractive. They tried to control me, when that happened I cut it off (Sag dc, venus in aquarius in 9th house)because I think I must be free. I dont seek control in relationship, and dont want to be controlled either. Only seek depth and loyalty, full honesty and of course a lot of fun
In general, we, pluto conjuct dc, people should not be that pessimictic, I believe after enough trials and errors, we will find right plutonic partner that heals.

posted December 12, 2020 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Pluto conj the DSC looks for powerful partners and may give their own power away but we can't say for sure unless we see the whole chart

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Hmm, “powerful” in what sense? Financially/socially powerful, someone of high status? (I do have one Scorpio Sun female friend like this, not a close friend, one but we get along) Or just emotionally charismatic and naturally magnetic, who make you go crazy, in a way?

posted December 12, 2020 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
Would echo Ami's post, but give a caveat. Attraction to/attract either internally powerful people OR power seeking people.

These can be and usually are very different in nature. True power is found within from choosing and attuning to Source and Love consciousness and from positive service to others.

Power seeking is an ego, control thing wherein one tries to accumulate power and influence through status, connections, wealth, making others afraid, force, physical violence, manipulation, sexual and/or personality attraction/glamor, etc.

These latter type of Plutonian partners are best to be avoided. The former Plutonian type partners are a rare jewel of priceless worth and value and are very helpful to be associated with/close to.

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@GalacticCoreExplosion, thanks for clarifying the different types of power. I’ve been quite fortunate enough where I haven’t run into anyone in that latter category in my life (I’m still fairly young, though, so who knows, maybe it’ll hit me down the road…Perhaps once Pluto squares my Desc?). Frankly, I have no idea what type of people I attract in general.

posted December 12, 2020 03:46 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
It was a strange period and I hope it doesn't retrograde back to my DC.

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That sounds intense, and I’m sorry you had to go through that. I’m glad that things turned out safer for you, though. While this doesn’t reflect my natal Pluto/Desc aspect, the themes of your story mirror much of what my mother went through in her youth, even my father. Attracting very dangerous/crazy/toxic people in their lives, getting physically threatened, letters in the mail, stalked etc. (unfortunately I don't have either of their birth times, so can't say how Pluto or mars has manifested in their charts)

Part of me wonders if my parents have somehow “shielded” the rest of my siblings and I from such toxicity -- in other words, because their lives were charged with death/abuse/danger, it turned into some positive karma where it didn’t continue to their children. Obviously, I can’t speak for the rest of my siblings, but by simple comparison to my parents’ lives, my life is stable and, if anything, pretty sheltered, (in terms of not coming across toxic friends/roommates or potential toxic partners...).

It honestly also might just be because I’m pretty reclusive in general and connect with few people. So I have a smaller social pool, which could mean I’m less likely to run into highly "intense” people. I literally can't think off the top of my head where I've felt "warning signs" to simply stay away from someone if they crossed into my life. Most people I just fall out of touch with or it's just casual day-to-day talk.

posted December 12, 2020 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by DecimaLife:
I have pluto in my 6th house (Sag) and it conjucts my Sag DC (4 degrees), also 7th house ruler jupiter squares pluto.

Well, I didn't attracted stalkers, or creepy types. But I am attracted (and attracted people) to people that has some sort of power aura, more likely inner strength. I am %100 committed and loyal person in a relationship. Funny thing that I had 2 open enemies in the past and two of them was scorpio moon. They probably hold grudges like crazy even right now even though I dont care about past. Nearly all of my open enemies had some narcissistic, manipulative vibe. Partners were powerful, and very attractive. They tried to control me, when that happened I cut it off (Sag dc, venus in aquarius in 9th house)because I think I must be free. I dont seek control in relationship, and dont want to be controlled either. Only seek depth and loyalty, full honesty and of course a lot of fun
In general, we, pluto conjuct dc, people should not be that pessimictic, I believe after enough trials and errors, we will find right plutonic partner that heals.

Best Regards.

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Funny, because you mentioned Scorpio moon people – I do have a friend who is a Scorpio moon. It honestly surprised me (she’s also Scorpio rising) because she’s super goofy and hilarious, not at all “dark” or intense as the stereotype goes. She’s a libra sun, though, which I think contributes to her more diplomatic/nonconfrontational energy, but in childhood we had gotten in a lot of fights/friend drama, so in a way it was a juvenile “open enemies” stage of our life. It’s nothing like that now, though.

My older sister is also a Scorpio moon but we’ve definitely butted heads, where I have felt controlled and manipulated, and where things get exhausting and intense. My relationship with her is rather faceted.

I resonate, though, with your point about being attracted to people with "inner strength" and not wanting to be control or seek to control others, whether romantically or platonically. My Venus is in Cap, though, but from the other aspects you've mentioned we have similar placements.

I definitely think my BF has that type of inner-strength/still waters run deep vibes, which I've told him about. I think it's because he has Venus/Mars in Aqua, though, that he's not at all controlling/manipulative, and that there's still platonic vibes in our relationship, considering we did start out as friends. We both value space, but also our mutual Cap moons also like like physical closeness and tender loyalty.

So...hence why I remain confused about my Pluto/Desc for myself lmao, since I feel like he's the opposite of what all my sources have been saying.

posted December 12, 2020 04:00 PM            

For example, I have Sagittarius on the 5th with Sag Neptune in same.

One of my earlier relationships before I met my current, long time partner/twin soul, was with a woman that had Sagittarius ASC with Sag Neptune in the 1st. She was a quite literal, direct reflection of my 5th House. Her 5th House ruler is in Leo sextile Libra Sun. I have a combo of strong Leo, Sun, and have Libra Moon.

7th House is reserved for particularly close and/or affecting type relationships. Often longer term, but not always by any means. Also correlates to "open enemies", because we can "project" those parts of our shadow (i.e. unconscious) onto people in both feel good and also in very difficult ways. Sometimes when we have very strong 7th House connections with another, we can feel "psychologically invaded" or our shadows "triggered" by them. (And if the 8th House, Pluto, etc become involved, it can become particularly intense).

posted December 12, 2020 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
A lot of our relationships tend to be more 5th House when we are younger, until we find that person we really deeply commit to, build a life with, etc. The 5th House is the "dating" part of our life.

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I'd be very curious to see what my full synastry with my current partner is, as I only know how his planets fall into my houses.

You mentioned 8H and Pluto, though. His sun lands in my 8H, and his moon is right at the edge between my 8th and 9th, so the latter luminary I'm unsure about. We were born a few months apart, so our Plutos have several connections. For instance, my Pluto squares my Sun/Jup/Merc, so his Pluto does the same. His Pluto sextiles his Venus/Mars, so my Pluto sextiles those of his.

My 5H is Virgo, though (unless we use Whole Signs system, then I guess it'd be Libra). Funnily enough the Scorpio guy I had possessed strong feelings for (but never dated, only friends) was a Virgo moon, so his moon fell in my 5H, hence why it always was fun spending time with him.

posted December 12, 2020 06:07 PM            

Reason being, Pluto being so slow moving, we share many of the same Pluto aspects and placements with a lot of people around us relatively close in age.

Since Pluto is conjunct your DESC in your physical birth time chart (may not be in your spiritual birth chart, which is the more accurate one, but that's a long story), then yes, Pluto is quite highlighted for you and quite relevant to deeper synastric connections.

Strong Pluto inter-aspects, as well as 8th House connections, can result in a wide range of expression--everything from super, super intense feelings, to a sense of or desire for merging, to coming to hate/despise each other and sometimes even while feelings like you're still very attached, obsession, power struggles, can indicate the need to balance karma or break attachments, etc It really just depends.

I'll give a real world example. Fell in love with a woman who is 15 years younger than myself. Her Sun at late Aries. My Libra Pluto, ruler of my Scorpio IC, is opposed her Sun by about 6*. Her Scorpio Moon-Pluto-IC conjunction is conjunct my Scorp Uranus in my 4th, where Uranus rules my DESC and Venus Signs (Aqua).

Then there was some strong 8th House stuff going on as well. The ruler of her Sun, 8th, and co ruler of her Moon, Mars, is almost exactly conjunct my ASC.

Her Pisces Venus-Saturn conjunction (in her 7th), is in my 8th House (and opposed co-ruler of my 7th and Venus, which is conjunct my Moon). The co ruler of my 8th, Jupiter, is almost exactly conjunct her ASC and trine her South Node/Mercury (chart ruler) conjunction. The ruler of my 8th, Neptune, is in her 4th conjunct her 4th ruler Jupiter.

Anyways, how this manifested? Very, very, very intense feelings mutually, where all I wanted to do was merge my entire being from physical to Spirit with her, and while she felt that attraction too, because of all of her very deep and strong fears, she started to run and hold me at a distance (while for a little while dangling some carrots here and there, such as after an argument, but then forgiving each other and then her writing a text, "I feel so much better with love in my heart..."

But all in all, I constantly felt like I was giving, and she was taking, and that wasn't a nice feeling. She would never directly tell me how she felt about me i.e. be vulnerable, open, and honest.

She was the only woman I ever "chased", and the only person I ever got unduly/unhealthily obsessed with. I felt such intense love for and attraction to her, but at times, it briefly turned bitter, angry, resentful. In short, no one has ever stirred up my shadow so intensely as she did. I didn't even realize I still had some of that gunk in there, and could feel those kinds of very non spiritual, non loving type feelings.

Spent a good portion of my life building up a "zenness" and balance. Well she deconstructed that pretty quick, held a mirror up (unconsciously on her part), that pretty quickly and deeply forced me to deal with some deep, dark, unpleasant, compacted shite. Soul wrenching, dark night of the Soul,, obsession, love and hate, way over attachment, type stuff.

(We are twin Souls that had an extremely close/merged direct past life with each other wherein we were fully telepathic with each other, and deeply, deeply loved each other, but I decided to leave the earth due to tiredness/dissatisfaction with human/earth life and I missed my non human friends, and this caused a deep heart wound/fear of abandonment in general and especially in relation to me--hence why she ran and ran despite the deep feelings, intense attraction, etc).

The way out of Pluto, 8th House, etc, is practicing/feeling real Love i.e. spiritual, divine love that is free of fear and attachment. But as they say, it takes two to tango, and if one doesn't want to tango, then what can one do? And if the other isn't willing or can't give to you in balanced reciprocity, best to let go of them.

posted December 12, 2020 06:38 PM            

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posted December 12, 2020 06:48 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Adding that this people were plutonic and kinda toxic to my being even if nothing else happened (this was enough already), but they had the potential to do some harm to my life and I ended up blocking all of them and terminate the relationship forever.

This was just a transit, for a natal aspect it would be the same, but a constant thing, depending on other aspects.

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I cannot communicate with some people anymore. I cannot cut completely somebody I’ve known for a while, but I try to minimize the interaction.
Ignoring some things and let it slide were more natural for me before. Since Pluto transits, I need to learn not to react and come for every fight I am invited to,

posted December 13, 2020 02:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
[b]Adding that this people were plutonic and kinda toxic to my being even if nothing else happened (this was enough already), but they had the potential to do some harm to my life and I ended up blocking all of them and terminate the relationship forever.

This was just a transit, for a natal aspect it would be the same, but a constant thing, depending on other aspects.

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I cannot communicate with some people anymore. I cannot cut completely somebody I’ve known for a while, but I try to minimize the interaction.
Ignoring some things and let it slide were more natural for me before. Since Pluto transits, I need to learn not to react and come for every fight I am invited to,

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