posted March 07, 2021 04:57 PM            

There are so many factors....

I can relate to "why are people so unnecessarily hostile towards me and in general?"

I am starting to think that some people who are so beat down by life, can't stand to see other people whom don't seem so beat down by life.

I have been so beat down by life around my Saturn return and leading up to it. But yes....people that need to go out of their way....that need a damn therapist will try to find anything wrong with you and will wanna just start smack w/ ya....because you SEEM so much happier, care free, and not so beat down by life.

I even caught myself being annoyed by someone who seemed so upbeat and care free recently. And remembering when I was like that. I had to tell myself do not be that person who is mad because I am perceiving this person as being on top of the world. Let them enjoy it!! Because once I had more responsibilities and pi$$ed off miserable people...I hate striking up conversations with random people now...and can't believe I use to be so much more outgoing and to even bother.

Sometimes I think it's location if you lie somewhere where life is a faster pace....Sometimes I think I should live somewhere where the pace of life is slower and I wont have to deal with someone being mad that I got in the line before them. I once went to an airport in Missouri where the TSA was singing and humming. It was a culture shock. LOL The one by me, they talk to everyone like they don't have a Valentine and everyone is a moron. I get sick of the metro suburb lifestyle for this reason. I think people are busting their butts for the American dream with their long commutes away from the inner city where they work out to the safe neighborhoods. Always in a hurry...sometimes I think I am better suited for the country or south for that reason.

I would check out your transits too. squares and oppositions can seem to bring people out of the woodwork to want to test your vibration.

The way people treat you is a reflection of how they feel about themselves. But gosh, it is still super annoying and aggravating to have to be around someone who is downright hostile, condescending, busy body for a long period of time.

I've had my share of people wanting to follow me around and tell me that I suck...when Neptune squared my Gemini ASC and then the Capricorn conga line in 2020 squaring my Aries Sun.

I am basically in a place of wanting to be left alone for long periods of time, while also adapting the mentality of let the way this person is behaving be on them, and not on me. (That takes work. I can do this with certain people while still not knowing how to do that with other people yet. I think once I realize I am doing this turn the other cheek BS for my self and not for them, I see the peace and beauty in it.)

I do what I can to accept people for the way they are, while taking time for my self to keep my vibration high and protected.

Good luck, and good vibes from Stawr!

posted March 07, 2021 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:

I would check out your transits too. squares and oppositions can seem to bring people out of the woodwork to want to test your vibration.

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I totally see what you mean here. I wish I had understood this when I was younger.

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posted March 07, 2021 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Do you have a prominent Dejanira?

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posted March 07, 2021 10:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Amoranthaniela:
I totally see what you mean here. I wish I had understood this when I was younger.

And thank you for your kind words and well wishes <3 It's nice to hear someone else's experiences during these times honestly.

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Yeah, I know I can be a jerk from time to time...but I don't understand people doing this in professional/work settings or to someone they barely know. (I mean I wont pretend I don't road rage sometimes in the privacy of my own car. lol)

Feel free to vent to me anytime. I totally get it, and I get sick of peoples "tudes" and tones every so often.

People talking condescending towards me can be a huge button pusher. Oh and people wanting to tell what I am not doing and what I should be doing...(dun!dun!dunnn!!!!)

No one likes my uncle's wife. She makes so many unnecessary rude comments to multiple people in the family. Would get a tone with my late grandma. It's spoken about a bit with the other adults. She is not warm at all with the family and acts stuck up. So it made sense that she doesn't get along with her own biological family. She doesn't speak to her sister over an inheritance issue. I think she thought my family had more money too, and was mad that my dads side is not the old money or even new money type. Just regular hard working middle class people.

This girl in high school would try to make fun of me. She tried to make fun of my clothes and then flirt with a guy I was talking to because she thought she was such hotter sh!+ than I was. Well the guy did not take the bate, because yeah he was more interested in me, and had my back. She saw me talking to a cute guy, and she thought she would "bring me down a peg" and prove a point that I shouldn't smile or whatever because I'm not a mean girl type. And attempt to make me feel isolated.
I just gave her a petty look like "looks you aren't such hot sh!+ after all" and then she never tried anything with me again after that.
Well post high school I find out that this girl's mom goes to the same "wack-a-doo" church as my mom. This church had all sorts of socials and groups. People knew people's secrets for spiritual healing purposes and support I suppose. Well my mom is all like "do you know this girl!? My church friend's daughter went to your high school too! What a small world!" By this stage in my life I am more open with my mom if I don't like someone. (Even more revenge, I get to tell my mom that she wasn't very nice, and there is likelihood that my mom tells her mom...and then her mom is a disappointed in her for being a bully. I don't care if it makes me look sensitive or whatever. Remember that girl you tried to bully that one time? bamBOOMslam! She's still got it!)
I eventually find out more personal stuff about this girls family. Her mom has depression. So....even though it's not this meany girls fault...that is going to mess with her, and she is affected by it weather she likes it or not. So yep I better understood the phycology of girls in high school who try to target people for what seems like simply existing.

posted March 08, 2021 03:30 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
You're there, and you respond to them. That leaves you open to their projections.

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That could be it too. But it's almost like they zero in on me, like some kind of weird obsessive impulse to make a bee line for me. I could be saying or doing exactly what anyone and everyone else is, but someone'll get specifically triggered by me.

It's not just with strangers either.

When my mother was going through menopause for example, out of most people, she was just a lunatic around me and would become physically violent even. She even had to be restrained.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, maybe you are giving off a vibe you don't know about. Not to be critical but that can happen

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I've thought about it long and hard and came up blank. I think that there's just a certain group of people
who do well hiding what's inside of them, their own issues, but they cannot around me for whatever reason.

The ones who also randomly accuse me of being fake also seem kind of telling, because I realize they shout to me what they do, but I do not. So I think that when something fake meets something real, the fake thing probably feels threatened.

And I think being fake for a long time takes a toll on an individual's mental health.

Another interesting thing to note is whatever issue they take out on me, eventually, even if months or years down the road, it becomes evident to everyone. (ex: someone who would verbally abuse and accuse me eventually starts doing it to others/or someone who acts deranged near me eventually behaves the same around others).

I warn people. They don't see it. Then they finally do much later...

But why people feel a need to reveal this side of themselves to me is still a mystery.

@Librapurr I see what you mean. It is lovely that she does that.
I try not to take it too personally, though it's hard sometimes. I just remind myself everyone has their issues
and I shouldn't let it get to me.

As for what you said about the asc - I've got a lot of things aspecting my asc but nothing hard. I wonder if Uranus trine asc could do it.

posted March 08, 2021 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
Can you post your chart? I'm really curious what placements you have.

I did have reactions like that in the past but that was from people who were projection their sh* onto me. It was unpleasant but nothing like you experienced. Except one, when the landlady that also lived in the flat with me pushed me against the wall and with wild eyes told me I was evil. And that just because I wasn't very interested in interacting with her because I was tired from work (and she was 25 years older and we had nothing in common). Crazy ***** .

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Ah, so you know what it's like. It's exactly like that... Uncalled for complete outbursts of lunacy. And who knows, maybe not wanting to interact is genuinely considered evil to some people? :P
I do indeed meet civil, stable people who don't. Like I said, 50/50 chance of it happening. I'm kinda a shy hermit because of it.
Sometimes from the opposite sex it can translate into obsessive sexual advances/ harassment.

posted March 09, 2021 06:45 AM            

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Originally posted by kani:
What's your place of birth?

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Added it to previous post =3

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The asteroid Hekate in hard aspect can make people not face themselves or if Hekate is conjunct something big like the Sun or Moon

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Nope, no prominent Hekate either.

I'm wondering if such an asteroid exists that has some kind of reflective ability or mirroring effect, like projection as some others have stated.

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posted March 09, 2021 08:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yea, sometimes you are not doing anything and people are just jerks

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posted March 09, 2021 11:05 AM            

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if you want to take a gander, please do.
Honestly I can't tell what it could be.

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Mindfully explore the Mystic Rectangle in your natal chart ... 11th house Moon (8Pisces47) : 3rd house Jupiter/Chiron midpoint (8Cancer26) : 9th house Saturn/Neptune midpoint (8Capricorn50) : 5th house Mars (9Virgo13).

Might the two oppositions inside that rectangle and the trines + sextiles on the outside of it indicate that you are not stable on the inside, but trying hard to appear so on the outside? **

[ ** "Honestly some people literally do have meltdowns - like if they're not stable on the inside it somehow shows on the outside?"]

posted March 09, 2021 12:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yea, sometimes you are not doing anything and people are just jerks

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Yeah true enough!

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Mindfully explore the Mystic Rectangle in your natal chart ... 11th house Moon (8Pisces47) : 3rd house Jupiter/Chiron midpoint (8Cancer26) : 9th house Saturn/Neptune midpoint (8Capricorn50) : 5th house Mars (9Virgo13).

Might the two oppositions inside that rectangle and the trines + sextiles on the outside of it indicate that you are not stable on the inside, but trying hard to appear so on the outside? **

[ ** "Honestly some people literally do have meltdowns - like if they're not stable on the inside it somehow shows on the outside?"]

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Hmm I'm not too sure about that. For the most part what I've been known for by those closest is my stability. I mean it takes a lot for me to waver. Don't get me wrong, I have my days like anyone and am not impervious, but generally I'm pretty sturdy and calm even in a crisis. The people that I get on well with actually feel at ease and serene near me. I'm almost unmovable. I figure that's all due to my Taurus.

I had to look up Mystic Rectangle. I'm not too familiar with it.

Found this: "A Mystic Rectangle is formed when two pairs of oppositions are sextile each other. The result is an aspect pattern that includes two sextiles, two trines and two oppositions. A Mystic Rectangle will always be in the same polarity, either masculine (Air and Fire) or feminine (Earth and Water). This is another "soft" aspect pattern in that it does not generate friction, discomfort or a need to take action. What a Mystic Rectangle does offer, however, is an extremely strong sense of balance and structure, of harmony between the four planets involved. Finding this balance is not a given ­ it will still take conscious effort and awareness. However, working with the Trines and the Sextiles will help to make more sense of and find the point of integration for the two oppositions."

posted March 09, 2021 05:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Amoranthaniela:
Yeah true enough!

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Mindfully explore the Mystic Rectangle in your natal chart ... 11th house Moon (8Pisces47) : 3rd house Jupiter/Chiron midpoint (8Cancer26) : 9th house Saturn/Neptune midpoint (8Capricorn50) : 5th house Mars (9Virgo13).

Might the two oppositions inside that rectangle and the trines + sextiles on the outside of it indicate that [b]you are not stable on the inside, but trying hard to appear so on the outside? **

[ ** "Honestly some people literally do have meltdowns - like if they're not stable on the inside it somehow shows on the outside?"]

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Hmm I'm not too sure about that. For the most part what I've been known for by those closest is my stability. I mean it takes a lot for me to waver. Don't get me wrong, I have my days like anyone and am not impervious, but generally I'm pretty sturdy and calm even in a crisis. The people that I get on well with actually feel at ease and serene near me. I'm almost unmovable. I figure that's all due to my Taurus.

I had to look up Mystic Rectangle. I'm not too familiar with it.

Found this: "A Mystic Rectangle is formed when two pairs of oppositions are sextile each other. The result is an aspect pattern that includes two sextiles, two trines and two oppositions. A Mystic Rectangle will always be in the same polarity, either masculine (Air and Fire) or feminine (Earth and Water). This is another "soft" aspect pattern in that it does not generate friction, discomfort or a need to take action. What a Mystic Rectangle does offer, however, is an extremely strong sense of balance and structure, of harmony between the four planets involved. Finding this balance is not a given ­ it will still take conscious effort and awareness. However, working with the Trines and the Sextiles will help to make more sense of and find the point of integration for the two oppositions."

That's very fascinating and I'm wondering if it can be applied to ones aim and direction in life? I've struggled with juggling my priorities and have needed to muster the strength to find some sense of structure in this area, including goals. [/B][/QUOTE]
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I wonder though if the opposition aspects are being picked up by these people/strangers who react negatively to you.**

The orbs of this rectangle are extremely tight, so it manifests instinctively/without any conscious effort or awareness on your part. Hence, the wounded Jupiter and Saturn/Neptune internal conflict (and that of Moon-Mars) is noticed by strangers but not by those who know you well (because the trines and sextiles enable you to "manage" the internal conflicts).

However, you are correct about a well-managed rectangle being helpful rather than a hindrance - when with those who know you well, like friends and colleagues. It's just the vibes that it might be giving off to strangers that I am advising you to explore.

posted March 09, 2021 05:53 PM            

Not to derail the thread but what sign is your Mars?

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posted March 10, 2021 02:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Graham

Not to derail the thread but what sign is your Mars?

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Sagittarius/3rd and only 6degrees from on-IC Jupiter in Capricorn/4th.

But ... do you think it matters that Mars makes an exact novile to Mercury (in Scorpio/2nd) - and that those two form a megaphone configuration with on-MC Uranus (in Gemini/9th) and Venus (in Libra/1st)?*

[ * I ask because you and another member/moderator on the Sweet Peas board recently "outed" me there as "a sociopath with a Messiah-complex" ... but further investigation revealed both you and he have a history of doing so with everyone who ruffles your feathers on that board, with neither being able to let go of the internalised anger which fuels your passive-aggressive attacks on others.

posted March 10, 2021 04:38 PM            

@Graham

You may be onto something with all that. Perhaps that does play a part in what's going on with some people.

However, this part:

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[ ** Squares and oppositions are more noticeable to others than trines and sextiles. ... So, these negative aspects/behaviours tend to be what people see when meeting us for the first time. ... Then, as they get to know us better, they begin to relate to us through the positive aspects/behaviours - and to no longer notice our negative behaviours/"vibes". ... However, the latter are "always there" - so we have to consciously work on managing how they are seen by strangers.]

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