posted March 10, 2021 01:42 PM            

Can I ask what type of advice you are seeking?

I echo Librapurr that some formal emotional support, such as through a helpline, or online counselling could help you start processing these wounds in a safe space (if in-person services are limited).

posted March 11, 2021 03:14 PM            

My computer is acting up
sorry

posted March 11, 2021 03:14 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:

My story is this and I need advice.

. .

I need advice because I'm totally broken.

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WhiteBirds, I've *bumped* the Global Directory for help numbers, internationally.

I see that you are still able to access the internet through your computer.

- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/002629-2.html

When I had made the post for that, there was a way that Google will let you slip into a way of "signaling for help". Sorry, I forgot how/where I saw that. But I DO know it exists, and is something Google does to help care for women.

Are you still in Europe, or on the North American Continent?

Contacting a global help organization {Befrienders} SHOULD have a protocol they activate for woman in dangerous situation.

Unfortunately it seems this website is not a good place for people calling for help... We can give you 'some' support, but unless a member here is in a profession with access to contacts with direct help for you, you'll have to do it-- try.

But I have HAD some experience, and now lead you to the Global Directory.

Try some of those websites...

Not every place mentioned has a clickable URL. You'll have to comb through the information given, and use your computer search bar.

If you are in trouble, you deserve HELP.
If you don't trust the POLICE in your area, then CONTACT those Crisis numbers in Global Directory.

I know that sometimes, in some countries, WOMEN are ignored.

Please respond to our bump on your thread?

Let us know what you decided,
and what you did/ or are planning to do.

Don't fool around. Your courage is UP right now.
DO it... Stay Safe.

{remove cookies and history on your computer if *they* hunt where you go on the internet}

Are you in the USA?
If so, I have other ideas.

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sorry for so many edits...
computer seems wonky
didn't take my edits,
and chopped out sentences.

posted March 13, 2021 04:37 PM            

Please get help whitebirds, please get out of there, you still have a whole life ahead of you and things can be different for you.

posted March 24, 2021 08:59 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
It's not a callous comment. You need assistance from law enforcement! Not cash. Sounds like a scam.

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posted March 24, 2021 11:37 PM            

Then I *bumped* the Global Suicide Directory for you.

Then came back and made the post I left above.

* I had missed seeing that you were born in Russia.
* From other posts I've seen, you NOW have been living in Spain.

When you were adopted,
your "new parents" took you to their home in Spain.

Your biological mother had been mentally ill, and was 'not' able to care for you (3 yo) and her son/yourBrother.
You BOTH were placed in a home for children.
. .
Your biological father died when you were 5-6 yo.
. .
When you reached 7 yo,
your brother was placed in a different home than you.
{So sorry. That MUST have been scary, and you truly deeply hurt inside especially 'if' the ~orphanage/home(?) had allowed the two of you (siblings) to visit and play together. Otherwise, it might have been hard for you to remember him that well.
. .
Good new was that in 2009,
(age 16 yo for you),
you found your biological brother.
(yay ..)

*~

quote:

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
Hello. I have read all your answers and I deeply thank you for your concern.

I've been thinking about how to get out of here,
and I've come up with the thought of creating a fundraiser on Facebook.

Please show this fundraiser to as many people as you can.

I need help 🙏
[URL=http://www.facebook.com/donate/483418712795420/?fundraiser ...

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You opened this FB account
.. on December 21, 2020.

You opened your "Fundraiser"
.. on ?January 15, 2021?.

You started 'this' thread
.. on March 10, 2021.

You gave URL asking for donations to Fund Raiser
.. on March 24, 2021.

Your Fundraiser account (earlier/currently) has raised over $5,300 USD.
.. In it, you explained, "I need to go home"
"This money is so I can buy a house
in my country, and hope for a better future.
"I'm very sick .. after [20 years] of [abuse],
and I need this help."

By the words 'go home' ..
WhiteBirds, do you mean you want to buy a house in Putin's RUSSIA--
where you left when you were only 7 years old?

* Where is your Brother right now? --
Is he involved with your FundRaiser?

* Could you call on your Brother to HELP you find a room or apartment (in Spain?) while you wait to have the amount of money it takes to 'buy a HOUSE' (in Russia?).

quote:

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Your response in this thread --
I've tried a thousand times to leave.

Imagine for a moment that
you are a white girl kidnapped
from the age of 7
in a tribe, where all its members are related,
and of a different race than yours.
A fully secluded tribe, no exit options.

If you try to say you want to go back to your country,
the psychopath who kidnapped you makes fun of you, humiliates you, and feeds on your emotions.
Horrible things.

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You began this thread saying:

quote:

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OP --
My story is this and I need advice.

I was legally kidnapped
when I was 7, through adoption.
I was abducted internationally.

They took away my brother,
my country
and everything that belonged to me.

The woman who kidnapped me
was a narcissist, malevolent, and Pordophile. She liked to see me naked and touch my undying body as a child. He once opened my legs in front of her and looked at my vagina.
All this at the age of 9.
I was tortured every day and night during my abduction

The man who kidnapped me
I thought he was a good man and
I put all my energy into protecting him,
receiving nothing in return but absolute indifference.

I put my energy into protecting him because I thought he was like that because he was sick of his wife's narcissist.

But no,
he turned out to be much worse than her.
A psychopath. I've been hit by a lot of ve es, and at the weakest moment of my life I take advantage of my confidence. He started flirting with me, and he stroked my hand one day in a not pleasant way. At a very vulnerable time in my life (health problems).
Now I understand that's how predators behave.

I was also taken to a house where downstairs there was a very low-energy neighbor who hated me, because I was Russian, cute, And empathetic.

One day the gentleman who kidnapped me, heard him talking to that neighbor, and He would tell her about me and tell her very intimate and private things about me.

For 20 years I've been tortured by these people.

All this while they were
playing with my mind
making me think they were my parents.

I need advice because I'm totally broken.

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You were born in 1993.
By all the years mentioned--
you are now almost 27 yo.

You will be 28 yo end of June 2021.

quote:

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from your thread--
"Guess The Ascendant"
- www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/240119-4.html

{{Find dates for "Events of my life:" ..}}

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WhiteBirds-- Other members (who haven't posted in this thread yet) were sooo alarmed BY this thread, that they contacted Randall.

These allegations of abuse and torture--
in SOME countries this is a PROBLEM for POLICE. And since you mention internationality-- this is especially SERIOUS. We weren't going to 'ignore' any legitimate cry.

{There have been horrible stories here in the USA, where parents tied up, starved, their kids. We had a story recently where a waitress in a restaurant noticed the child didn't seem that they were okay. Waitress wrote on a card, asking "Are you Okay?" and the child signaled "no". The waitress CALLED the Police, who came in and "rescued" that boy!!!! She was hero. She ACTED on what she thought "might" be bad. And it WAS bad.
.. In this day of horror stories, I could NOT let your story go ignored-- "just in case."

There are AGENCIES throughout this world who scout out FOR women (girls, boys, men) who ARE in HORRIBLE circumstances.

I had thought you could RUN to the Embassy of the Country you are from------- UNTIL ---- I read your opening post more carefully. Then, used the LL Search Engine. I recognized your LL name, and wanted to know where and how I'd seen it before.

People here were WORRIED ABOUT YOU!!!

You must have been going through a panic when you posted; maybe were kind of freaked out and made this thread? ..

*~
Another thread you authored---------------
"Why such Bad Luck?"
opened May 17, 2019
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/240895.html

quote:

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
posted May 21, 2019 04:03 AM

Hello again

Maybe I exaggerated a bit (Scorpio Moon),
because I really feel that my adoptive parents have not been so bad.
But still, I consider that all the events of my life were very cruel.

But I'm going to explain:

Until I was 3 years old I lived with my mother and my brother,
and then the police took my brother and me to an orphanage.
In this orphanage, I was with my brother until I was 5 years old.
At 5 years old, I was separated from my brother and they took me to another orphanage away from him.

When I was 7, they adopted me out of my native country, and I lost my brother forever.

In a new country, being a foreigner, and being so shy (Cancer Sun, Scorpio Moon), I really had a very bad time.
I locked myself in, and they made me bullying.

{{for the rest of this post, see the URL}}

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WhiteBirds.. We CARE about you.
All these people in this thread responded because they DO.

I hope you find a Counseling Office,
and a Social Worker to help you find Housing.

Get your Brother to HELP you too.

You've been given over $5,000.00!
That should give you enough for deposit on a Room.

PLEASE Take EXCELLENT Care of your self, okay?

posted March 24, 2021 11:56 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I've tried a thousand times to leave.
Imagine for a moment that you are a white girl kidnapped from the age of 7 in a tribe, where all its members are related, and of a different race than yours. A fully secluded tribe, no exit options. If you try to say you want to go back to your country, the psychopath who kidnapped you makes fun of you, humiliates you, and feeds on your emotions.
Horrible things.

Now imagine you're Cancer and you're tightly attached to your family, and these people have brainwashed you into thinking they're your family.

It's a summary of what happened.

I almost left here when I was 20. And the kidnappers, to make sure I didn't leave, physically mutilated my face. They ripped my teeth out.

I've been in depression ever since.

If I'm asking for this urgent help now, it's because that's all I see possible.

A few days ago the psychopathic man who kidnapped me hit me in the heart.
It's hit my life, but never in my heart, that's where I understood I had to leave.

And hopefully, with your callous comment,
you'll never have to prey to psychopathic predators. I certainly wouldn't dare tell you what you told me.

I don't mind being on the street, but now I have some cats and I can't just walk away.

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I was surprised when I saw you use the word "callous". (Maybe you aren't used to her?)

What she "dared say" to you.. was simply out of CONCERN for you!

When someone is TRULY in a place of Danger--
you NEED to escape, and to have the Police get involved. Then, social workers/women's shelters exist who could protect you, and prepare you for your next phase of life.
These also give psych counseling to help you get over your massive ordeal!

____
You mentioned that the Adoptive Parents SLASHED your face and pulled out your teeth?
..
I saw your picture on your FB.
I didn't see scars.
Saw your picture from Nov 2018.
Lovely face, no cuts or face-mutilations there?
. .
Pulled out your teeth? -- was that a childhood memory of going to dentist? Had loose front teeth? Permanent teeth coming in?
Lots of 6-7 year olds lose their front teeth, to have some nice permanent teeth by 8 years old?
______

I see by the way you worded things, that perhaps your Adoptive Father has asked you to think about "moving" away from his home now?

You are almost 28 years old.
And, if you really still think they are NOW still "torturing you"?, then, ..

Get in touch with your Brother.
Maybe he knows a place you can stay?

With that $5,000.00 in Donations you've collected?, that could be a great start-- deposit on your new place?

Maybe there's a Cat Shelter who would board your furr-babies for a short while, so you can get situated.

posted March 25, 2021 05:51 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by WhiteBirds:
I've tried a thousand times to leave.
Imagine for a moment that you are a white girl kidnapped from the age of 7 in a tribe, where all its members are related, and of a different race than yours. A fully secluded tribe, no exit options. If you try to say you want to go back to your country, the psychopath who kidnapped you makes fun of you, humiliates you, and feeds on your emotions.
Horrible things.

Now imagine you're Cancer and you're tightly attached to your family, and these people have brainwashed you into thinking they're your family.

It's a summary of what happened.

I almost left here when I was 20. And the kidnappers, to make sure I didn't leave, physically mutilated my face. They ripped my teeth out.

I've been in depression ever since.

If I'm asking for this urgent help now, it's because that's all I see possible.
A few days ago the psychopathic man who kidnapped me hit me in the heart.
It's hit my life, but never in my heart, that's where I understood I had to leave.

And hopefully, with your callous comment, you'll never have to prey to psychopathic predators. I certainly wouldn't dare tell you what you told me.

I don't mind being on the street, but now I have some cats and I can't just walk away.

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posted March 25, 2021 05:59 AM            

I hope they track your IP address as I have reported that you have been kidnapped as you have told us and have psychological issues with having built an attachment to your captors.

posted March 25, 2021 01:53 PM            

asking for donations to immediately get out of a situation will not help longterm, because you still need things past that

posted March 25, 2021 02:56 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by TaurusVenusGirl:
Ironically today before I saw this post, I was writing a paper on child protection and was discussing how it was not only up to mandatory reporters to report but every person in society has an obligation to report, in case authorities miss anything and the child falls between the cracks and the system fails them.

I'm sorry the system failed you as a child, but here's hoping it doesnt fail you now.

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posted March 25, 2021 02:58 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
this has nothing to do with you having a scorpio moon or a cancer sun, abuse can happen to anyone regardless of that

asking for donations to immediately get out of a situation will not help longterm, because you still need things past that

it is a short term solution, once out you have to maintain your life past that, people do not just buy houses and then everything is fine

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True but any victory in life starts with taking a small step in the right direction, she needs to get the hell out of there, its time.

posted March 25, 2021 03:29 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
True but any victory in life starts with taking a small step in the right direction, she needs to get the hell out of there, its time.

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sure, and i'm not disagreeing i'm just pointing out that perhaps she should consider something more sustainable

as in finding a room or studio to rent and a job etc rather than waiting on enough money for a house with no plans to sustain it

one of those is immediately cheaper than the other

i've been through all kinds of horrific abuse personally and as a result i generally take these sorts of things seriously, in this case while i am giving her the benefit of the doubt some of these claims are rather off (international adoption is not kidnapping for example, she's said her face was "mutilated" but in no pictures is there any visible mutilation or even scarring) and this raises a couple red flags for me

sufferers of narcissistic abuse can go on to develop these cluster b disorders themselves and i wonder if this is at play here given the way the claims are expressed and the request for money

do i believe she was abused? yes, am i sure all her claims are factually true? nope not in the least

that being said regardless of how bad it is the point still stands that she needs a realistic, sustainable plan of action that would be able to be acted on asap

posted March 25, 2021 04:44 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
True but any victory in life starts with taking a small step in the right direction, she needs to get the hell out of there, it's time.

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Hypatia! ..
You seem to have a special heart-connection towards her!

You have done more work on her chart over the past years she's been here, than anyone else at LL.

You also have a background in mental health treatment.

AN IDEA----
Your parents are Pastors of a Spanish MEGA-church in USA.
With them being Spanish-speaking, WhiteBirds would have been well-accustomed to understanding that language for the past 20 years).
'Some churches' like to take on missionary-type projects.
Why not talk with your Pastor-Parents? You and your Parents (with the support of the Church) can "sponsor" her relocation to your Parents' Area?

Since your parents are also mental health professionals, they can Connect her to some kind of Trauma Treatment Program?
.. Takes around 3 to 5 years to get that kind of therapy accomplished.
With you and your folks in the MH industry, you'd make excellent support people.

They could help her with obtaining a Working Visa-- assist her with finding a job. (Since she understands Spanish and English, this would OPEN loads of possibilities for her, being bi-lingual. Heck, she could get jobs that I as a citizen could not! LOTS of Govt jobs). Even working with bilingual children?
. .
With an income, she can find some housing.

There ARE Women's Programs in that area.
Perhaps she could 'give back' with them?

Just an IDEA...
Let your family
(familiar with language and MH,
with ties to the Community through people in their MEGA Church)
become her Sponsors,
Let her HEAL.

IF she really insists on going back to Russia to LIVE--
There must be Russian connections in your parents' area.
They can help her brush up on Language Skills.
{~hey, think BIG? Melania Trump (lives in that area) could even help her with Contacts? (She speaks that language.) }
Fulfill her dream of going back home.

*~
SATURN RETURN 2023
She'll be coming up on her Saturn Return (first hit) at 0+ Pisces, on March 7, 2023. That's in 2 more years.
She'll be 28 years old e.o. June 2021.

What a GIFT that would be to her?!

And, I hope she has kept connections with her Capricorn Brother.

*~
CHIRON
Transiting Chiron in Aries makes a slow approaching trine to natal Chiron 21+ Leo. Leo, the Child. Chiron in Aries lasts around 8 years.

When she mentions 7 years old, (and that time period leading to it, including the awful-hit of Death of her DNA Father) it reminds me of something I'd read in Barbara Hand Clow's book on Chiron Rainbow Bridge.
Everyone goes through a certain kind of Chiron transit {forgot which one it is}. She said it could happen when the person is very small, or, up until their earlier 20s. Says it's BETTER for the person to go through it while in their younger years-- with 'an echo' of this during the Uranus Opp Uranus years.

Her ordeal reminds me of what BH Clow says.
Has the earmarks of it?

I sincerely hope her ordeal comes to a great resolution, so she can BUILD her life again, with Saturn's Return.

Compromise 'here' would be that she'd need to abide by moral-ethical rules consistent with your Parents' vocation in the Church. If she can DO that, she'll beautifully REPAIR her life--
and maybe make some Life-Long Friends.

*~
TaurusVenusGirl-- Wow! What a sign? that you were working on writing that paper, as this occurred.