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Topic: Is your 12th house sign always your "hidden enemy"?
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hypatia238
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posted July 02, 2021 12:36 AM
  
Or hidden friends too if you have nice placements there. IP: Logged |
angryant2021
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posted July 02, 2021 04:34 AM
My 12th house (empty) is Cancer... and I have never gotten along with Cancer suns (long-term). Same goes with Cancer moons. I find they end up being jealous of me, want to be me, believe they are something special to me.. and when they realize that's not the case/not going to happen, we stop talking and cut each other out.IP: Logged |
Amoranthaniela
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posted July 02, 2021 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Or hidden friends too if you have nice placements there.
Interesting take! :O Could it be that if the 11th house ruler is in the 12th, it is a hidden friend? Or even some aspect relating to the 11th?
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hypatia238
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posted July 02, 2021 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Amoranthaniela:
Interesting take! :OCould it be that if the 11th house ruler is in the 12th, it is a hidden friend? Or even some aspect relating to the 11th?
Good point, perhaps yes. I have 11th house ruler in the 10th and tend to make friends at work. I could also see how 11th house ruler in the 12th could mean becoming friends with people w/ mental health issues, that savior/victim type of friendship dynamics perhaps and lessons around that. I have jupiter in the 12th conjunct uranus so perhaps a protective factor against hidden enemies, with hidden friends showing up during critical times and protecting me from hidden enemies. People in the background that you don't expect that have your back when it counts and matters. On the other hand someone that has saturn conjunct pluto in the 12th may have people in the background holding them accountable resulting in jail time, with my jupiter conjunct uranus I would have people in the background trying to help me get the best deal possible and avoid jail time....something like that. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted July 02, 2021 03:30 PM
Actually I have Sag in the 12th and AC and jupiter in the 12th and I am an immigrant, came to the US when I was 10 with a visa and a year later had my residency and then I got my citizenship. I do feel with Jupiter in the 12th the US has been a hidden friend for me, I don't see this country or americans as hostile and have felt supported by this country and americans. Saggy is associated with travel abroad and the 12th can be connected to far away lands. With JUPITER ruling my 1st and 12th I ended up far away from my roots yet I feel at home here in Colorado.I went from the Dominican republic, to Miami to Colorado. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted July 02, 2021 03:39 PM
I will say this I attract saggy placements that conjunct my AC way more than saggy placements that conjunct my chart ruler in the 12th but either way I cannot say anything negative or positive about my relationships with Saggy placement people, is okay. Dont' feel particularly intense about it one way or another, feel kinda neutral tbh. They tend to be upfront and what you see is what you get so I think if they are my enemies I would know they don't like me so it would not be a mystery or they would just stop talking to me.IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted July 02, 2021 04:05 PM
Synastry wise perhaps if someone falls in your 12th they will either idealize you and adore you, feel they have this telepathic connection with you and want to surrender to you yadi yadi yada or mistrust you and feel unsure about you or both at the same time. Perhaps if I fall in your 12th house I seem mysterious to you and depending on who you are and other synastry aspects that could be good or bad. ^^for example his sun conjunct uranus falls in my 11th house but also conjuncts for about a 5 degree orb my 12th cusp and by 1 degree my Psyche so he feels like a significant soulmate or TF and a friendship that will transcend time and space, we are no longer together but I know we will always have a psychic connection and always care for one another. He is no longer in my life but we are spiritually still connected and still friends.
Likewise my venus and mars fall in his 12th house but his 11th house ruler MOON in pisces conjuncts my moon in pisces on his DC which reciprocates what I just said, we also have a huge stellium in the 12th in composite and VENUS in the 11th opposite moon in the 5th forming a tsquare with Neptune in composite, so an extremely neptunian bond, we still meet in the dream world a few times a year and reconnect there through astral travel, our connection transcends time and space and is not truly earth bound more psychic and spiritual in nature. So 12th house activity can also indicate a spiritual connection with someone. If you are not in touch with your spiritual side this may feel very uncomfortable bc the 12th rules what is not in our control after all and is about surrendering to something bigger than us. IP: Logged |
Sauerkraut
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posted July 02, 2021 06:59 PM
my 12th house is scorpio with uranus in there. i havent met enough scorpio suns but the one girl i was friends with was really shady with me. she secretly destroyed my belongings because some guy she thought was cute liked me. she had a boyfriend at the time too. i generally distance myself now when people have personal planets in there. yes something feels off like theyre doing things behind my back. ruler is in the 11th.. maybe only a problem when part of the same social circle?hmm having a "aha!" moment here..
i am realizing the 2 sun signs that square it - aquarius and especially leo have been hidden enemies also. ive always wondered why i didnt gel with aquarius because i love weirdos. anything along that fixed axis is not compatible with me it seems. i meet a lot of taurus suns (brother and dad) and we just openly butt heads although not a lot of weird hidden stuff.
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hypatia238
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posted July 02, 2021 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by Sauerkraut:
my 12th house is scorpio with uranus in there. i havent met enough scorpio suns but the one girl i was friends with was really shady with me. she secretly destroyed my belongings because some guy she thought was cute liked me. she had a boyfriend at the time too. i generally distance myself now when people have personal planets in there. yes something feels off like theyre doing things behind my back. ruler is in the 11th.. maybe only a problem when part of the same social circle?hmm having a "aha!" moment here..
i am realizing the 2 sun signs that square it - aquarius and especially leo have been hidden enemies also. ive always wondered why i didnt gel with aquarius because i love weirdos. anything along that fixed axis is not compatible with me it seems. i meet a lot of taurus suns (brother and dad) and we just openly butt heads although not a lot of weird hidden stuff.
What aspects does your pluto make in your chart?
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Sauerkraut
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posted July 02, 2021 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
What aspects does your pluto make in your chart?
pluto is making pretty wide aspects to moon, sun, venus and mercury 3°53' pluto sextile moon
6°59' pluto opp sun
9°11' pluto opp venus
10°02' pluto opp mecury 2°47' pluto sextile neptune what do you think this means?
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Sauerkraut
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posted July 02, 2021 11:59 PM
ooo how could i forget.. i had a weird friendship with a scorpio sun. he helped me understand myself better because he could read my mind. i didnt open up much to him in actuality but i felt like he knew me very well. he confessed a lot of his taboo secrets to me. i was comfortable around him.. in a hannibal lector/clarice kind of way.. he ended up killing himself and it affected me deeply.IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted July 03, 2021 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by Sauerkraut:
pluto is making pretty wide aspects to moon, sun, venus and mercury3°53' pluto sextile moon
6°59' pluto opp sun
9°11' pluto opp venus
10°02' pluto opp mecury 2°47' pluto sextile neptune what do you think this means?
I mean I was wondering if your pluto was forming a hard aspect to mars or saturn but I suppose pluto ruling the 12th and falling in your 11th house while opposing your SUN and VENUS which rules your 11th can result in drama involving love and friends, pluto is the co ruler of mars after all and its shadow side can show up in a more in your face way with hard aspects, you have pluto in the 11th ruling the 12th in hard aspect to your 11th house ruler venus and venus also rules relationships so to me that explains it. However, your pluto opposite sun is in orb but I am not sure that your pluto opposite venus is in orb but perhaps you have pluto contraparallel venus, you can click on additional charts on astro.com to find out in the extended charts section. IP: Logged |
Sauerkraut
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posted July 03, 2021 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I mean I was wondering if your pluto was forming a hard aspect to mars or saturn but I suppose pluto ruling the 12th and falling in your 11th house while opposing your SUN and VENUS which rules your 11th can result in drama involving love and friends, pluto is the co ruler of mars after all and its shadow side can show up in a more in your face way with hard aspects, you have pluto in the 11th ruling the 12th in hard aspect to your 11th house ruler venus and venus also rules relationships so to me that explains it.However, your pluto opposite sun is in orb but I am not sure that your pluto opposite venus is in orb but perhaps you have pluto contraparallel venus, you can click on additional charts on astro.com to find out in the extended charts section.
hmm i have pluto square mars probably out of orb too (over 10°)
venus is parallel pluto (1°17’) IP: Logged |
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