posted July 25, 2021 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again (because being strongly attuned to Jupiter, I like to hear myself talk?)...

But having been on this earth for 4 decades plus and having studied/researched astrology for nearly 3 of those, when it comes to Signs, the [b]only consistent pattern I've most noticed is this: I have met slow vibrational/immature people of every Sign. I've met mid vibrational/decent people/middle aged souls of every Sign. And I've met fast vibrational/older Souls of every Sign.

And of those 3 groups, the second has been most numerous. (Yeah, I'm hitting you with the bold and italics even, whatch'ya gonna do now o'menacing one..)

Signs do not relate so much to Soul evolution degrees, but more to earthly archetypes/life patterns and personality types. It is Soul maturity at the end of the day that determines whether or not a person is going to be an ahole, decent, or very positive, and that relates to a combo of what they brought over from other experiences and how they are currently using their freewill. A chart CANNOT show you how a person is currently using their freewill. Just can't and doesn't. However, it does seem like most, more or less remain slaves to their probable tendencies, most of the time.

As far as what they are bringing over as far as Soul development, this relates far more to the most highlighted Planets in the chart. You see this so very clearly and consistently in the Edgar Cayce psychic readings.

When he would give people "Life readings", his source would often start of the reading with something like, "The entity entered in from so and so Planet, with so and so planets assisting" or something to that effect. That often coincided a lot with what kind of person they were like on a deeper and more consistent level. The Planets in this case, were symbolic of nonphysical consciousness/dimensional levels that were either faster or slower vibratory than another within the whole of this system.

A predominant Saturnian, Martian, Plutonian Sagittarius Sun for example, is going to be rather different than a predominant Venusian, Neptunian, Jupitarian, Solarian, and/or Arcturian with Sagittarius Sun.

Then again, we also have the wild card factor of freewill, which just cannot be seen in a chart. Not even Source itself, can always fully and completely predict how a Soul will choose to use it's freewill ahead of time. That is nature of freewill. It is an element of necessary chaos within an otherwise orderly/structured, harmonious system.

If that freewill didn't exist, we would be naught but automatons, rather than potential, true companions to the Source, and the latter is what the Source wants--it wants us to choose to become it's companions because we love it, not because we are forced. The Source (and this may sound a bit strange), is like our Mother, Father, and most intense Lover of lovers all rolled into one.

Anyways, please, enough with the silly, way over generalized, immature, and narrow astrology of "Sagittarius women are all like this" blah blah blah b.s. I've met Sagittarius Sun women of all 3 of those formerly mentioned categories. And same for EVERY Sign.

Typically we have the most issues with certain Signs when these square our strongest Sign energies and/or there are other difficult/challenging interconnections (12th House can sometimes even fit under that). Oppositions can be great, extremely attractive, and exciting when sexual attraction, connection and release is a potential within the relationship, but when it's not, it can lead to major frustrations and butting of heads and egos.

8th House connections can be love or hate/despite type connections depending. Our Saturn placement can indicate difficulties with a certain Sign in conjunction (same Sign), square, and opposition with another's strongest placements.

But typically, these reflect more back to us and our natals than any completely objective pattern of this Sign is so and so negative. [/B]

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posted July 25, 2021 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
My Sadge mother would cut people off, but she would also be the first to help, if needed.

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posted July 25, 2021 03:42 PM            

For example, I get along great with venus or mars in saggy bc it trines my venus and mars in leo but I have sun in virgo with moon in pisces so get along better with capricorns since it trines and sextiles my Sun opposite MOON than sun in saggy or moon in saggy. This is synastry in the works, you cannot just say Aries and Leos are great together, you have to look at the whole chart.

posted July 25, 2021 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:

8th House connections can be love or hate/despise type connections depending.

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I just told my husband an hour ago, I do love you 90% of the time! and then thought to myself there is that 10% of the time were I picture him choking LOL but in all seriousness I love the *ucker a lot even though I want to strangle him at times.

posted July 25, 2021 04:47 PM            

I feel that way with my partner at times as well. She has a rather fixed chart, and sometimes she is so bull headed that it is frustrating. But I also realize that I give her challenges and frustration too, so it's not a one way street by any means. But generally I do tend to be more reasonable and logic based (or at least, so I think.

posted July 25, 2021 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Lol yeah, I should have added a "and/or", rather than just put the "or".

I feel that way with my partner at times as well. She has a rather fixed chart, and sometimes she is so bull headed that it is frustrating. But I also realize that I give her challenges and frustration too, so it's not a one way street by any means. But generally I do tend to be more reasonable and logic based (or at least, so I think.

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posted July 25, 2021 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Btw, his chart ruler Venus, being in your 8th and conjunct your Mars and Venus, would indicate that he is crazy attracted to you, which is why I'm surprised you've reported he can be less than amorous at times. Has he had his T levels checked at all? He might be lower than normal for some reason. If so, he could think about getting replacement therapy, or look into natural ways of boosting it.

He would feel better about himself and be more active, and you'd be happier too sexually.

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IDK he definitely seems to have high testosterone, I think Uranus conjuncting his Mars is the issue and the fact it squares his VENUS. He also has VIRGO intercepted in his 5th and I feel he is very cerebral, his 5th house ruler is the SUN and he has SUN conjunct SATURN so all of this factors in but I suppose virgo intercepted in the 5th and Saturn conjuncting his 5th house ruler are the biggest culprits with his low sex drive. He will spend hours doing labor others with low testosterone don't have the stamina and will power to do so you definitely can see the power of his mars in scorpio, also when he gets angry. He also grows a beard super quickly.

I prefer to just accept him as he is and focus on the things about our marriage that I feel are good and enjoy that. He is definitely attracted to me but I just think he is more cerebral and detached, that uranus on his mars definitely makes him more detached and venus square uranus also makes me him more detached, even though I also feel he is warm in line with venus in leo.

It is what it is, I have had my share of romances and sexual adventures so cannot complaint.

posted July 25, 2021 06:01 PM            

I'm also pretty cerebral too in a lot of ways, so I could also understand that being a factor. My partner, especially in the beginning had a higher drive and focus than me, and done wore me out in the early days. I was like the female in the relationship saying things like, "hun, I have a headache.." and the like. It wasn't that I didn't desire and wasn't attracted to her, I just wasn't as highly sexed as her at the time.

I tend to redirect that energy into other channels.

But men's T levels do tend to drop pretty dramatically after a certain age. Usually I think it's around 35 to 40, it starts to plummet increasingly. I've seen that in myself even though I had relatively high T levels for most of my adult life (hairy, beard hair grows fast, build/maintain muscle easily, etc).

And what's weird about that is when it drops to a certain point, it can actually increase aggression, but in a more passive aggressive kind of way rather than in a "roid rage" kind of way. Whereas healthy, normal levels, tend to make a guy feel better and more even keeled.

posted July 25, 2021 06:05 PM            

Thank you for the warm welcome back.

posted July 25, 2021 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Could be that if he works a lot at a hard job, he is redirecting a certain amount of that red energy into that?

I'm also pretty cerebral too in a lot of ways, so I could also understand that being a factor. My partner, especially in the beginning had a higher drive and focus than me, and done wore me out in the early days. I was like the female in the relationship saying things like, "hun, I have a headache.." and the like. It wasn't that I didn't desire and wasn't attracted to her, I just wasn't as highly sexed as her at the time.

I tend to redirect that energy into other channels.

But men's T levels do tend to drop pretty dramatically after a certain age. Usually I think it's around 35 to 40, it starts to plummet increasingly. I've seen that in myself even though I had relatively high T levels for most of my adult life (hairy, beard hair grows fast, build/maintain muscle easily, etc).

And what's weird about that is when it drops to a certain point, it can actually increase aggression, but in a more passive aggressive kind of way rather than in a "roid rage" kind of way. Whereas healthy, normal levels, tend to make a guy feel better and more even keeled.

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You totally get it! He does exert a ton of energy on other things and he is very cerebral.

I see what you mean about the T levels! I actually am having him take something natural called Maca ROOT, we just started a few weeks ago. Is supposed to help with libido and fertility but am not personally super impressed with the product but MNM has been an amazing supplement that we will continue to take daily for good:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08TZQBZT6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s01?ie= UTF8&psc=1

posted July 25, 2021 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Hmm, interesting about the intimacy hypothesis. Could be. 8th House connections can bring up some strong fears and at the same time, over attachments, in those areas. It's a very push pull dynamic, where we so desperately want to explore the mysterious taboo in another and get lost in them and their essence, BUT at the same time, we are scared shiteless of losing control or losing our identity. Hence, some try to avoid going deeper, while others (especially very Scorpionic and/or Plutonic people), may come to relish it.

Thank you for the warm welcome back.

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My own personal history is that I am overly attached to romantic love and get too attached through sex and over value sex but with Tr Uranus traveling through my 5th that has been neutralized a ton, feel balanced now in that regard, and I feel grateful for this transit, it has given me perspective and helped me be more detached in a good way, balancing out some things that needed to be balanced out in me.

As for him, he is at the other side of this pendulum. He has Neptune in the 8th and Jupiter rules his 8th and is in virgo intercepted in the 5th house so locked in yet his jupiter conjuncts my SUN and sextiles my moon. Come to think of it he is very creative but has a hard time finishing what he starts, I think that is how the interception is playing out for him; issues with endings and getting too many projects started at once, 8th house stuff interfering in his 5th house since 8th house ruler Jupiter is intercepted in the 5th which perhaps ties into the trauma of losing his father at age 12 somehow. I remember reflecting on this a while ago and thinking is like he has a compulsion to not complete projects almost like he has a negative subconscious association with endings that hinders his functioning. He never properly grieved his father's death, he never got to visit him at the hospital nor go to this funeral, he never properly said goodbye and he loved him a lot. I think he has anxiety around endings so has a hard time finishing things he starts, he also overwhelms himself by starting up too many projects but both feel like a compulsion to me, he has a compulsion to start projects and almost a compulsion to not finish them.

I agree with your observations on the 8th house! it is like that and Uranus is detached and values freedom and does not want to get lost in another and he has Uranus conjunct Mars.

posted July 25, 2021 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Please don’t die! OP is awesome 😁

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She's even more blunt than me and so it's refreshing!

posted July 26, 2021 05:59 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
She's even more blunt than me and so it's refreshing!

Are you an Aries/Leo?

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posted July 28, 2021 12:31 AM            

I wrote this a week ago but got involved elsewhere(s).

I think this was as well discussed  here: http://www.dxpnet.com/forums/astrology/sagittarius-women-and-their -god-complex-towards-fire-signs--14792613/

   It's not finite to who (sign) carries it, a "god complex". Why does OP feel the Aries and Leo signs are singaled out by Sagittarius? Any sign can have one - AND Sagittarius when guilty of it could as well with the other 9 signs too. I'll be honest, I'm my worst with OTHER Sagittarius mates. *mirror effect maybe. (*Less since I've matured) I think because I feel them as likened with me. Same page kind of energy.

  One of the positive associations with the Sagittarius sign it a need to discover truth. Those whom might resist said truth, may see Sagittarius as trying to achieve a "god" >goodness complex. Which I have, to be fair to mention because Idk if anyone else has - Though I know this thread is about finding more neg criteria "against" the 9th sign
We have a wheel of 11 Signs/archetypes more and EVERY sign has an awful list they too carry. 9th house is the house of ENLIGHTENMENT. The house in which the owner of the energy might wish to reach, not a level of being god, rather of meeting - as in the Michelangelo painting of reaching for the almighty.

Sagittarius can be a mess, yes as someone I believe here mentioned, hygiene. They are the hermit, the Monk, the party animal, the scholar, the friend. Sagitarius can be very low when not "reaching" and climbing up those rungs of that ladder offered, yes they can climb high - when they live, behave right. Though they aren't god, It can't be a great many OP is referencing.  If so that is very specific,  which is discriminating.

In terms of fire -
- LEO  (alternative pov) http://astro79.com/leo-negative-traits
Aries - (alternative  pov)  http://astro79.com/aries-negative-traits

  Then of course - The hot seat - Sag http://astro79.com/sagittarius-negative-traits

posted July 28, 2021 02:59 AM            

I actually don't hate Sagittarius. Y'all are funny AF. I attract the men like crazy! We have tons of chemistry, I just don't find them to be very reliable overall. And my Taurus Venus cannot stand that.

Yes *all* of the Fire Signs have their flaws. *All* of them can be arrogant. However, I do find that the "God Complex" issue is more common in Sags. And keeping it real - Sags talk a good game about honesty but can sometimes become a coward when that honesty gets "too heavy" for them. As an Aries, it's been highly disappointing to experience that! As I initially thought Sags were the few on our level with the raw & real sh*t.

posted July 28, 2021 03:02 AM            

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Cancer/Cap/Leo

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posted July 28, 2021 03:26 AM            

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@MoonMystic

I actually don't hate Sagittarius. Y'all are funny AF. I attract the men like crazy! We have tons of chemistry, I just don't find them to be very reliable overall. And my Taurus Venus cannot stand that.

Yes *all* of the Fire Signs have their flaws. *All* of them can be arrogant. However, I do find that the "God Complex" issue is more common in Sags. And keeping it real - Sags talk a good game about honesty but can sometimes become a coward when that honesty gets "too heavy" for them. As an Aries, it's been highly disappointing to experience that! As I initially thought Sags were the few on our level with the raw & real sh*t.

Typical to their mutable energy, Sags are changeable with the truth - unless it's about their personal value system.

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posted July 28, 2021 03:44 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:

Lol thank you for responding, I understand and been guilty there. I know it. Not proud of it tho.
I have thought about researching Sagittarius as the true Lucifer energy. Because of all you wrote, how enticing they are and obviously detested as well. The fall from grace - Sagittarius might well fit that archetype.

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Ironically, I appreciate your honesty with this! Lol

posted July 28, 2021 03:54 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Ironically, I appreciate your honesty with this! Lol

Feel free to explain the Sagittarian thought process in regards to dealing with others. Does it feel super difficult to be someone we can rely on and expect loyalty from? Do you view that expectation as an infringement on your freedom?

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posted July 28, 2021 06:00 AM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
Oh that's a tough one. Let me process this. I'll return with an answer after I digest the question. I only have an angle - rising. Idk which position is worst at this factory deFAULT. lol

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