posted July 10, 2021 05:09 PM            

Occasionally, you will get one that is more evolved and real with herself, she is rare but she does happen. Even though she still cannot compete with an Aries or Leo woman when it comes to attractiveness, she will be more genuine. She won't be able to win a Chris Hemsworth or Tom Brady type of Leo who has a long line of women in his life. What she will be able to do is still win a decent enough man of a fire sign and be a really happy woman as a result, it will be the kind of arousal and paradise she never even knew.

How did it happen? She stop playing mind games with herself and started being more honest.

posted July 10, 2021 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
I know I have **** on Sagittarius women a lot though so I will end it on somewhat of a positive note. The truth is, they struggle with being genuine and being real with themselves. They conjure up these lies in their head and it doesn't end well since the sign is in detriment in Mercury.

Occasionally, you will get one that is more evolved and real with herself, she is rare but she does happen. Even though she still cannot compete with an Aries or Leo woman when it comes to attractiveness, she will be more genuine. She won't be able to win a Chris Hemsworth or Tom Brady type of Leo who has a long line of women in his life. What she will be able to do is still win a decent enough man of a fire sign and be a really happy woman as a result, it will be the kind of arousal and paradise she never even knew.

How did it happen? She stop playing mind games with herself and started being more honest.

I see it so many times with Sag women where with a Leo, there is that instant spark. Then she realizes he has options and ends up resorting to bitterness in her head, often turning against him, classic hating what you cannot have. Occasionally, some might evolved out of this and even though they will still fail with the homecoming king and the most popular jock, they will get a more humble Leo or Aries who will still give them a night in bed to remember for ages.

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posted July 10, 2021 06:40 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
I also think that Sagittarius women who go for Scorpio men are settling in a big way and likely have a lot of Scorpio in their chart in which case, they are barely a Sag. It makes sense though, Scorpio men are very bitter people who envy other signs like Leos and Aries. Sagittarius women themselves are bitter towards Leo and Aries women since these women are so outwardly charismatic and factually more attractive.

As for Sagittarius women, by nature they are not made for water sign men. Fire sign women in general are not that emotional and into the clingy stuff. Still, when a guy has options, you have to settle for what you can get. Air sign men have options due to their charisma and fire sign men for their overall attractiveness. Water sign men, generally speaking, take whatever they can get. Scorpio men are known for being bitter and overcompensating, having to use underhanded and sketchy tactics to get women.

For most Sagittarius women, since majority are not evolved, it is a great match. Hey, you hate Leo men and Aries men because they are more charismatic and appealing to the public than you. I hate Leo and Aries people because they have that pure fire energy I wish I had.

Even when you see most Sagittarius women, they are mentally ill and have a lot of mental health issues. Most try to be these deep thinker types when really, Mercury is in fall in this sign and they just run their mouths more to cover up for their own less than stellar IQs. It's bitterness meets bitterness which is why Sagittarius women go for Scorpio men. In the end though, they are both unhappy people and she will live quite a bitter life, ending up like horse-faced tramp Ann Coulter.

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I don't hate Leo man or any sign, like I said my best friend from childhood is a leo with a leo stellium and my husband's chart ruler is venus in LEO and he has sun/moon midpoint in LEO and northnode in leo and I have venus and mars in leo conjunct.

There are super sexy hot people of every sign, you do realize that right? it cracks me up when people list celebrities to proof a sign is attractive, there are plenty of ugly leos just like there are attractive leos and the same goes for all signs, plenty of hot saggy women just like there are unattractive saggy women too, there are super models and famous people of every sign.

My ex who was a scorpio with venus conjunct pluto, I met him at a night club and saw him from a distance and I gravitated to him like a magnet and then I started to kiss him and we made out for two hours, it was kiss at first sight. He then asked me for my number, they don't overcompensate and usually don't have to try that hard, women approach them and gravitate to them so your perspective on men is hilarious and clearly serve serving. I am guessing you are an insecure leo who was dumped by a saggy girl. You have this need to put water sign man down for some reason as well as saggy women.

posted July 10, 2021 06:45 PM            

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Participated mainly on this thread bc I appreciate you and enjoy conversation with you and your insights.

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♥️. Thanks. I don't understand how someone can be so rigid about their POV. Even when the premise is flawed, sweeping and bias.

I feel like plutonianmenaces' perspective of Sag women is grossly exaggerated and trying to reason with a person about their sign prejudice is just unproductive.

I give up🙆🏿‍♂️

posted July 10, 2021 06:48 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Now you are saying saggy women go for scorpios and are belittleling both saggy women and scorpio men LOL, I thought it was cancer that saggy women went after? LOL so now the strategy is to target all water signs bc they end up with saggy women? LOL

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posted July 10, 2021 06:50 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
This resonates well for me. I dated various placements of Leo (in my younger days) but Hypatia is spot on in my situation too. Scorpio is that captivating energy that just feels right.

In my inner workings, Scorpio is even more aligned even than Cancer. I'm not a cusp Sagittarius though. I think there's a certain quality in Scorpio.

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posted July 10, 2021 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Ae you Sag Sun?

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posted July 10, 2021 07:26 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
Rising and Pof. So it enhances tbe energy moreso with it there. Btw thank you for your healthy attitude towards other signs. I do agree with you, re the "rigid" thinking though. We have a particle of just about everything in each of us - may Pluto realise it sometime.

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posted July 10, 2021 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Marriage: Sagittarius Women

Sachs Study

Sachs found that (hetero)Sagittarius women marry Sagittarius men most often. As for who Sagittarius women are most likely and least likely to divorce, there were no statistically significant results for any sign. The following is an overall ranking from most common(1) to least common marriages(12) with Sagittarius women (* indicates that the result is statistically significant):

1.Sagittarius*
2.Libra
3.Gemini
4.Taurus
5.Virgo
6.Aquarius
7.Pisces (same marriage rate as Cancer)
8.Cancer
9.Scorpio
10.Capricorn
11.Leo
12.Aries
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I’ve noticed Sagittarius-Libra pairing quite a fair bit. I’ve a Sag Moon while my guy has a Libra Moon. I’ve 2 other gfs who are also Sag Moon and they married Libra Moon.

And just to put on record…another Sag Moon gf married another Sag Moon. Yet another Sag Moon gf (with Libra Sun) married a Leo Moon (with Sag Sun).

posted July 10, 2021 11:07 PM            

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There you go, I know I was on to something when I said that Sagittarius women do indeed have a vendetta against Leo men.

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posted July 12, 2021 10:35 AM            

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I’ve noticed Sagittarius-Libra pairing quite a fair bit. I’ve a Sag Moon while my guy has a Libra Moon. I’ve 2 other gfs who are also Sag Moon and they married Libra Moon.

And just to put on record…another Sag Moon gf married another Sag Moon. Yet another Sag Moon gf (with Libra Sun) married a Leo Moon (with Sag Sun).

Libra nicely balances Sagittarius’ boisterous nature with their calm, peaceful demeanour. Somehow whenever I’m with my guy, I speak more softly and gently and I avoid swear words, lol. He also became more of a joker because of me. Actually he’s naturally funny without trying. He just didn’t know it. He lets loose in front of me while in front of others he’s more polite and proper…not that he’s rude to me, but he’s just more himself when we’re alone.

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Sounds like a fun time you both are.👌🏾😂 I haven't see the Lib/Sag mix much. Most Libra folks I know go for other Libra folks💁🏿‍♂️

posted July 13, 2021 02:05 PM            

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Originally posted by kani:
"Not wanting things to feel too "fixed"? Mutables y'all can chime in."

True. I'm mostly mutable and I love having my options open. My partner has a sun in a fixed sign and a cap ascendant and he prefers security and needs to get everything planned out which I do find suffocating. I did learn that sometimes it does make sense to plan ahead though.
What you said about Pisces: I don't know if I can agree. I have 3 planets in Pisces and I do a lot for my loved one but I do expect something in return. If I see that the other is taking and not giving then I blow up. Balance is VERY important to me in relationships. Seeing that my boyfriend is messy and doesn't do much around the house led me to not want to move in with him and keep separate households. no way will I clean after him. F uck that.
Also, the other Pisceans I know are not too self sacrificing. they do love to help usually but I would see Virgo as more sacrificing in my experience than Pisces. Some Pisces people think they are very self sacrificing though (my sister) and sometimes don't realise what other people are doing for them or take that for granted.

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Noted.🙏🏿

The reason I listed Pis was because Pis tend to lack boundaries.So sometimes they can sacrifice themselves in the process of helping another person.

I've seen this happen with those around me.The lack of boundaries is always an issue for them. Either they give too much money or give up too much of their time to help another person.

The other(Aquarius) I find is always concerned about the state of humanity and where humanity is going.

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Noted.🙏🏿

The reason I listed Pis was because Pis tend to lack boundaries.So sometimes they can sacrifice themselves in the process of helping another person.

I've seen this happen with those around me.The lack of boundaries is always an issue for them. Either they give too much money or give up too much of their time to help another person.

The other(Aquarius) I find is always concerned about the state of humanity and where humanity is going.

I don't know if they are as sacrificial as Pisces, but they concern themselves a lot on world issues and "collective consciouness" etc.

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posted July 13, 2021 05:31 PM            

He is very self sacrificing for her.Every now and then I would see his Sag rising show up and want his freedom but more often his water placements would take over.Once he gets attached and comfortable with someone…it’s difficult for him to let go.It doesn’t matter how bad it gets,obviously.

posted July 13, 2021 06:08 PM            

i find it grounding and steady in ways that i'm not and it's really helpful

my closest friend who i really ******* love (it's mutual, complicated right now but whatever 🤷‍♀️ life will happen) is a leo guy actually (he has leo sun, mars, and mercury) with a taurus moon and i like that i can always trust him to be around if i need him

he's stubborn and difficult sometimes but it's not a big deal 🤷‍♀️ he's never made me feel suffocated or anything and i appreciate that

when we disagree we can always talk and level and get somewhere, i trust him with a lot and i know i can tell him anything etc i don't feel like i have to coddle him and i trust him to speak his mind even if i dont want to hear it which i value

my sag ex on the otherhand (who happened to be a sag woman lol and had a lot of scorpio) i found intensely annoying often

flaky as hell, she'd make plans then want to break them in an instant and throw a ******* tantrum about her "freedom" being infringed on when she was expected to follow through on plans she made

"always right" never actually sorry etc i actually do understand what people mean when they say the whole "god complex" sag thing because i always hated that about her

even when she was clearly wrong she'd just lecture people, talk over them etc and think she was justified for doing so

she made me claustrophobic at times but i blame the scorpio, because i've come across that repeatedly when people have scorpio placements

this guy never does though, there can be intensity there but it's a lot different

i can get anxious when things are fixed to an extent, but it's different when a person brings that energy and i specifically like it if they're leo or taurus then it's comforting 🤷‍♀️

i dont feel judged by him btw, ever, i actually trust that no matter what i say to him in the end he'll still love me and care and accept it

he can say things in ways that sound judgmental but actually knowing him is different, he can have a standard as far as my behavior goes i guess but i see it more like being held accountable and i'll tell him when i think he's being ****** and say i dislike it too so we're even there

dont ever feel punished though, we communicate well, and arguing often leads to better understandings

if he calls me out on something i reflect and think "well maybe i could have done x better" and he'll ask me what i think of things he's done too

my ex would pull punishment **** but again i find that in people with scorpio placements a lot and i hate it

silent treatment and conversations that went nowhere because of the "im always right" **** etc and so on

nothing against sag placements in general we can get along and they can be good drinking buddies and i love my younger brother and he's one (no scorpio is in his chart though) but ive noticed a lot of them seem to be flaky and ****** and expect other people to do for them but not vice versa because "my freedom"

or will leave people hanging because they couldnt be bothered to say they'd be late and a million other rude inconsiderate things that they tend to feel entitled to

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Most Libra folks I know go for other Libra folks💁🏿‍♂️

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I can imagine how they make decisions together. 😂

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I just looked up Kaley Cuoco (Sag). And she was married to a Cancer. Her current is Cap🤔. Sag women m(it seems)are more versatile in choosing partners.

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I guess it depends on what else are in their charts. I’ve a Taurus Sun/Mercury/Juno and I’ve dated people with Cancer and Virgo, even Scorpio. I believe it’s because of my earthy traits.

posted July 14, 2021 05:10 AM            

Another time, Mum was out of town for the night. My sister went to bed wearing a dress that she liked, and Mum told her that she could sleep in it. He told her to get changed, and when she wouldn’t, he dragged her out of bed, by her hair.

The only good side of him living there, after a while, was when he would drive us to Windsor great park, for walks. Or to other pretty towns.

posted July 14, 2021 09:48 AM            

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I think that stems from the Piscean tendency to shower their loved ones with affection. When I love someone I do show it by helping and investing time in them. I enjoy that. There must be an end point of course. As long I enjoy it as well it's all good. As soon as I feel drained I must put a stop to it.

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posted July 14, 2021 09:49 AM            

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I’m trying to remember the sign of a Virgo’s husband. We babysat for this Virgo, and she was one of the Mums/friends who tried to talk my mother out of moving from California. She is the calmest woman I’ve ever met. Very laid-back, at least on the outside. One reason she asked me to look after her son, was that he didn’t shy away from me, he reached out and touched my hair and glasses (I think I resembled her a bit). He was a Pisces, and the sweetest boy. He studied aquatic biology, which is similar to what my Pisces moon sister thought about studying. His brother is a Scorpio, and sister is a Sagittarius. I think their dad is a Leo. It’s been so long since I was around them, I don’t know him that well. She became best friends with an Aries woman that we babysat for (the other woman who tried to convince mum to stay ❤️ ). She lost her really kind Leo son, when he tried to break up a fight on July 4th, 2012. 😔 he was an adorable little boy. I had more to say, but I need to try to sleep.

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posted July 14, 2021 09:51 AM            

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I only brought that example up because I’ve seen a Sag/Leo relationship play out like the title of this thread.

He is very self sacrificing for her.Every now and then I would see his Sag rising show up and want his freedom but more often his water placements would take over.Once he gets attached and comfortable with someone…it’s difficult for him to let go.It doesn’t matter how bad it gets,obviously.

Hopefully he gets over it one day,it’s difficult to coparent with someone who is being controlled by a jealous manipulative person.Those 2 together still give me nightmares.

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posted July 14, 2021 10:11 AM            

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nothing against sag placements in general we can get along and they can be good drinking buddies and i love my younger brother and he's one (no scorpio is in his chart though) but ive noticed a lot of them seem to be flaky and ****** and expect other people to do for them but not vice versa because "my freedom"

or will leave people hanging because they couldnt be bothered to say they'd be late and a million other rude inconsiderate things that they tend to feel entitled to

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I personally can't stand fixed energy,it is just very draining for me.But I do understand what you're saying about Sag being very flaky and I think that was one of the things that he highlighted about me ; like I want everything to be open-ended.

I would have committed more to many other things had I not felt that a gun was being held against my head to force me into them.😶

I guess as a Sag we do tend to promise a lot more than we deliver. But I do like being with someone who does not hold me to what I was promising to do.

An example is when I was sitting with a Libra friend and we'd been drinking for 2 hours.Earlier I had expressed interest in going out but then changed my mind.

So he asked if I as still up for it? And I said "no". But then when I asked him whether he was wanting to go out he said that he was looking forward to it.

And so as we discuss this I realised "ok fine.I guess it would be to the benefit of both of us for us to go out." And we did.

For some reason I like the fact that we had opened a discussion on whether or not we were still interested in pursuing what we initially wanted to do. 😂 It could be my Mars in Libra acting there.That is what I mean by "open-ended".

But now I realise that it's just better not to make promises at all. So I don't tie myself up to anything unless I really really want to do it. That's the other extreme. And that's the side of Sag that is known as "commitment-phobic"🤷🏿‍♂️

I also don't hold people to any promises they made towards me.So if they change their mind and open their plans to do something else, I also entertain that because I tend to be likely do the same thing.

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I guess it depends on what else are in their charts. I’ve a Taurus Sun/Mercury/Juno and I’ve dated people with Cancer and Virgo, even Scorpio. I believe it’s because of my earthy traits.

People say Sun sign compatibility is overrated but IME it feels better when I’m with someone whose Sun sign matches mine.

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I find that Libra with another Libra actually works out well. The time they take making decisions and the back/forth that's involved in the decision-making process, doesn't drive them crazy🤷🏿‍♂️

It's only people outside of them that are just annoyed with the whole process. Libra tends to actually see all that pro/con comparison as necessary.

I also agree that Sun sign compatibility cannot be completely understated-well at least in my case.I tend to feel more energized by Sun-sign masculine Sun signs more than I do Sun-sign feminine signs.

posted July 14, 2021 10:47 AM            

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I personally can't stand fixed energy,it is just very draining for me.But I do understand what you're saying about Sag being very flaky and I think that was one of the things that he highlighted about me ; like I want everything to be open-ended.

I would have committed more to many other things had I not felt that a gun was being held against my head to force me into them.😶

I guess as a Sag we do tend to promise a lot more than we deliver. But I do like being with someone who does not hold me to what I was promising to do.

An example is when I was sitting with a Libra friend and we'd been drinking for 2 hours.Earlier I had expressed interest in going out but then changed my mind.

So he asked if I as still up for it? And I said "no". But then when I asked him whether he was wanting to go out he said that he was looking forward to it.

And so as we discuss this I realised "ok fine.I guess it would be to the benefit of both of us for us to go out." And we did.

For some reason I like the fact that we had opened a discussion on whether or not we were still interested in pursuing what we initially wanted to do. 😂 It could be my Mars in Libra acting there.That is what I mean by "open-ended".

But now I realise that it's just better not to make promises at all. So I don't tie myself up to anything unless I really really want to do it. That's the other extreme. And that's the side of Sag that is known as "commitment-phobic"🤷🏿‍♂️

I also don't hold people to any promises they made towards me.So if they change their mind and open their plans to do something else, I also entertain that because I tend to be likely do the same thing.

So most of my friends actually are Sagittarius & Libra. Or they have those placements dominant in their chart. 🤔

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could be the difference between virgo and sag there because virgo while mutable i think largely through a level of anxiety and adaptability does need some kind of grounding and that has to be obtained through external means (routines, relationships, other people etc) so i find that steadiness in another human very grounding and comfortable but it has to come through in a way that meshes well with me and that seems to be more through taurus/leo

i can understand feeling suffocated by fixed energy because i can feel that way with it when it comes from scorpio places and aquarius fixed energy i just don't find engaging because there's always this large level of detachment that makes it so i can never really feel invested in anything with them

so i'm very particular with it

i like things to be open ended but i understand they can't be for **** to be functional, and i find sags tend to be extremely selfish in that regard while having endless internal justifications for it and generally making it the other person's problem

i get that people can change their minds and whatnot and that's fine, it's when it becomes a self centered habit that i feel it's an issue and i notice with a lot of sags that really ends up being the case

it's alright here and there because everyone has moments where they just can't be 100% or stick to things that's fine, but when it's every time and it's always about them it's a real issue

i can get anxiety with things being rigid and whatnot but i'll also suck that up and do **** if i promised it, and if i feel like i might not be able to deliver the first thing i'll tell someone is i can't make a promise

promises are a deeply meaningful thing to me and i will go through all kinds of hell to keep a promise i've made, so i never make them lightly

sags often make promises lightly and i find that hard to respect

i don't need promises from another person i'm good with maybes and grey areas, but if you make a promise i expect you to deliver and if you don't on more than one occasion then i'm going to detach and stop caring 🤷‍♀️

someone can say something like "let's try to meet up friday we'll see about it then" and i'm good with that because it'll happen or it won't no pressure that's perfectly fine and with no set plans for what we'll do on friday either is equally good but when someone makes it into a thing and puts all this weight on it and then is flaky it's kind of like "alright **** you then"

you can't want open ends and then make promises **** doesnt work like that, good that you figured that out

i don't feel like someone holding you to promises or standards is bad btw, i see those as good things and accountability is valuable to me

what i dislike is when i feel like someone wants to consume me entirely (scorpio energy) without regard to my autonomy, leos will simultaneously respect that you are your own person while telling you that you failed them and i appreciate that