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Topic: The Sagittarius /Leo dynamic. To me ,it was a wrestle for freedom🤷🏿♂️
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8710 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted July 08, 2021 10:30 AM
This post was actually inspired by plutonianmenaces' obsession with the Sag female.🤔It got me thinking about my own "entanglements" with Leo (as a Sag male) and my experiences in this pairing.And why Leo has seldom been a viable option for dating or long term prospects. The Leo's I've known have been quite INTENSE.I have Scorpio placements in my chart but the Leos nature overwhelmed me considerably.😐 They each had a "fixed" quality about them. Granted that they all either had a fixed Moon or Cap Moon. And always that air of "permanence" that made me feel uncomfortable and claustrophobic. This was the 1st drawback. What others may have interpreted as "consistency".I saw as "stubbornness". What others saw as being "rooted". I saw as "inflexible". And I think that that is the nature of mutables perhaps? 🤔Not wanting things to feel too "fixed"? Mutables y'all can chime in. But I have since looked for more flexible partners. Don't be too intense! As a Sag, I need a lightness of touch (this even in a permanent relationship). There must always be (at the very least) that 'illusion' of freedom and things not being that 'death-like' serious. But that's not what I felt when I was with all of them. I felt judged if I said or did something they felt was not "befitting" of their mate to say/do. And so some of my spontaneity was stifled because I didn't want to do anything to them to get the "death" stare. Or icy withdrawal that would last for weeks.  This past weekend,the one I had the most intense standoffs with(Leo Sun/Sco Moon) sent me a message asking me about my life and what I have been up to. I told him that I am currently doing well and seeing a great guy (Aries).And as the conversation went deeper,it went towards our past relationship and he asked me why we never became permanent? I said that in all honesty he felt like an anchor that I didn't want. That I felt stifled and scared of him when we were together because I didn't want to be subjected to his cold stares and subsequent long and drawn out "punishments" for not "towing" the line etc. He apologized and said he didn't know that that was how I felt. I told him that that was always what I would fight with him about.But he never listened. He was too intense, too obstinate, too demanding. And I couldn't deal. It felt like our relationship was an everyday power struggle.😶 I have not consciously objected to dating a Leo since. But I notice that none of my romantic interests have any Leo planets. Let alone Sun in Leo. So perhaps I am not attracted to the energy? Anyways, I wanted to hear from other Sag people who have had experiences with Leo's- good or bad. What's your take on this pairing? IP: Logged |
GemJams Knowflake Posts: 84 From: USA Registered: May 2021
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posted July 08, 2021 11:12 PM
I’ve seen this happen to my daughters dad.He’s a sag rising,Pisces sun/venus and cancer moon.He started dating a Leo sun Scorpio moon.She completely took over his life.Extremely controlling.Had him do a lot of petty things to me. She ended up leaving him for someone else. I’m pretty sure he still sees her and she still has control over him even though she’s with someone else. He always looked physically drained when they were dating.Kinda felt bad for him but he allowed it sooo 🤷🏻♀️ IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8710 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted July 09, 2021 05:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by GemJams: I’ve seen this happen to my daughters dad.He’s a sag rising,Pisces sun/venus and cancer moon.He started dating a Leo sun Scorpio moon.She completely took over his life.Extremely controlling.Had him do a lot of petty things to me. She ended up leaving him for someone else. I’m pretty sure he still sees her and she still has control over him even though she’s with someone else. He always looked physically drained when they were dating.Kinda felt bad for him but he allowed it sooo 🤷🏻♀️
I think for him, the necessity of drawing boundaries is even more important. Pisces can be easily influenced by more forceful personalities and act self sacrificial in the name of "love"( martyrdom is a favourite thing to succumb to for a Pisces Ven) Water yearns to merge and find their strength through merging and becoming "one" with the other. That is how they show love ime. However, I think that this Leo interpreted that need to "merge" as a sign of "weakness". And then used it against him to get him to do what she wanted. Some Leo/Sco combinations are on a power trip. Not all ofcourse (as there are various other factors in the chart that have to be considered). What I do know about my experience with Leo is; as much as they like to control. They don't want to be given the reigns too easily. They actually like a bit of "resistance". When I was with the Leo mentioned, I used to resist ALL the time. And it seemed that whilst I thought I was killing the attraction and he would desist on pushing me and break up. He instead became more fixated in getting me to "submit" and things heated up on his end. 🤷🏿♂️ Very strange. I think he got off(literally) on the fact that we would tussle for dominance in the relationship. Even though there was never really any clear"winner". The tension created would make the sex hot(admittedly)
There was no time to cheat. I was too frustrated by him to think about someone else. He was a handful (in every sense lol).My Venus in Sco was square his Mars in Leo too. And my Pluto trine his Venus in Gem(29deg). I think he mistook "strife" for "love"(as most Scorpio Moons are apt to do).
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Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3611 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted July 09, 2021 05:33 AM
I've a Sagittarius Moon and my natal is largely mutable. I used to date a guy with a Leo stellium. My mom's also a Leo Sun. The vibe I get from them is an air of dominance, like I should just follow their lead and don't ask questions. It might be my Taurus Sun that clashes with this. The more they push, the more the bull won't budge. I always thought the fixed energy will anchor my mutable energy but I guess various permutations come into play. It may not feel good all the time. My experience with Leo is they can be too dominate, too self-centred. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8710 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted July 09, 2021 06:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hikaru29: I've a Sagittarius Moon and my natal is largely mutable. I used to date a guy with a Leo stellium. My mom's also a Leo Sun. The vibe I get from them is an air of dominance, like I should just follow their lead and don't ask questions. It might be my Taurus Sun that clashes with this. The more they push, the more the bull won't budge. I always thought the fixed energy will anchor my mutable energy but I guess various permutations come into play. It may not feel good all the time. My experience with Leo is they can be too dominate, too self-centred.
Exactly my feelings. Leo can be very domineering. When we 1st met, I was attracted to the Leo. And he played hard to get. I stopped pursuing because of his attitude. Then some time later, he developed interest in me. Then pursued me very agressively and (flattered) I succumbed.😁 This should have been my first clue that he likes to call the shots. Doesn't like to be the one who is "chased". But I was naive and thought that he wasn't sure about me and needed time. As the relationship progressed however, the need he has to always dominate became even more clear to me. And I just wanted more freedom and space to do my own thing. We clashed a lot on this.Sometimes things would escalate to physical pushing and tussling😶 IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace Knowflake Posts: 180 From: Iowa Registered: Feb 2021
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posted July 09, 2021 12:45 PM
I actually think this varies greatly based on gender. Leo men and Sag men get along just fine and make for good friends with each other. As for Sagittarius women, the dynamic is a bit different overall. From what I have noticed, Sag women tend to be more on the fringe compared to women of other fire signs. Aries women are more free and while naive, just heavily transparent and embodiment of fire energy. Leo women are stuckup but also quite ambitious. Sagittarius women seem to be more on the odd side, like they are the most watery of all the fire signs. I notice quite a bit are quirky and also tend to have things going on with their mental health where they end up being more reclusive, perhaps that is why they end up with water sign men so often compared to fire sign men. Where the annoyance comes from is that Sag women have this god complex when they see other fire signs and try to come off as all knowing. A lot of them are quite condescending and love to talk down to people which irritates a lot of the more blunt fire signs, especially Leos. Perhaps the biggest setback is that Sagittarius women are quite disrespectful for the sake of being disrespectful, perhaps this is why Mercury is in fall in this sign. Sagittarius women do not have that finesse and loyalty that other fire sign women have which angers the hell out of a Leo. A Sag women will happily fraternize with your enemy because in her eyes, who cares, it's not her fight its yours. In a relationship, that becomes a roadblock because the Leo expects everyone in his circle to be with him or against him. I think this is why in celeb couples, this pairing is rare. Leos are loyal but they want loyalty in return. Sag women don't commit to anything and are likely to cheat on you with your worst enemy. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14680 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 09, 2021 12:47 PM
I have southnode, AC, neptune conjunct AC and chart ruler jupiter conjunct uranus in saggy so saggy is my strongest sign but I have venus and mars in leo conjunct trine my AC.I have never dated a leo, well I had two one night stands involving leos and went on one date with one leo guy one time but I did not develop any feelings for any of them, felt no connection. I guess in a romantic sense they don't do it for me, at least havent in the past. My best friend from childhood was a leo and I did have a very strong bond with him. I have leo in the 8th but am way more attracted to scorpio and taurus which would square my venus conjunct mars in the 8th from the 11th and the 5th but then again my husband's chart ruler VENUS in LEO conjuncts my venus and mars in leo in the 8th which squares his Mars conjunct Uranus in scorpio and his AC in taurus forming a tsquare with my venus and mars and his venus at the apex and yes tbf my husband and I have a super strong bond, we have being together for 14 years total so I guess I am married to a LEO since his chart ruler is in LEO, so there you have it so much for "I haven't dated any Leos" LOL. His sun/moon midpoint is also in LEO. TBF he has it all; the taurus, the scorpio, the leo so I have been blessed LMAO! Yes my husband is stubborn AF and loves to be in control and has some narcissistic traits but he isn't Machista or sexist, he has always supported my career aspirations, is not possessive or jealous, cooks and cleans and is handy but he also starts 10 projects at a time and has issues finishing what he starts but this is getting better for sure. He has a difficult personality for suuuuuuuuuure but is also VERY Funnny, Charming and has no issues with addiction and is faithful. He has this amazing fluid intelligence, creativity and resourcefulness that I admire so there are reasons why I stay despite his EPIC ADULT TEMPER TANTRUMS brought to you by his mars conjunct Uranus in scorpio on his DC square his chart ruler VENUS in LEO and sesquisquare his MOON in cancer. He is always right, his fixed energy doesn't let him see he is not always right, he has mercury in scorpio conjunct Eros too but he has improved with this too. He decides were things go and if I put it somewhere else is very upsetting to him. I find it narcissistic and annoying that he decides were things go!!!! LOL I feel with fixed energy you get into stupid intense fights but I am strong too and have a negotiating spirit that works with his sun in libra up to a point even though his mars in scorpio hates compromises but he actually has come a long way with that and I genuinely try to figure out ways we both can be happy and get something we want. I have accepted that bc I have venus and mars in the 8th I attract intense individuals romantically one way or another. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14680 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 09, 2021 02:06 PM
I have two saggy teens on my caseload and I admire them so much when it comes to their values, attitude and clarity around relationships.Saggy women are not interested in complicated or emotionally draining relationships, their threshold tolerance for emotionally draining relationships is beautifully low, they have no issues ending a relationship and can walk away UN-apologetically and guilt free from a relationship that they have determined is not working for them bc is emotionally draining, they have low tolerance for that. I imagine they look at the world and their friends who get entangled in these relationships that to them seemed "deeply unsatisfying" as bat **** crazy and to them it seems "people are too afraid to be alone," it completely blows their mind LOL, to them is simple and straight forward relationships and whether to stay or end it and they feel people complicate it. Well bless you saggy women! IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace Knowflake Posts: 180 From: Iowa Registered: Feb 2021
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posted July 09, 2021 03:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: I have two saggy teens on my caseload and I admire them so much when it comes to their values, attitude and clarity around relationships.Saggy women are not interested in complicated or emotionally draining relationships, their threshold tolerance for emotionally draining relationships is beautifully low, they have no issues ending a relationship and can walk away UN-apologetically and guilt free from a relationship that they have determined is not working for them bc is emotionally draining, they have low tolerance for that. I imagine they look at the world and their friends who get entangled in these relationships that to them seemed "deeply unsatisfying" as bat **** crazy and to them it seems "people are too afraid to be alone," it completely blows their mind LOL, to them is simple and straight forward relationships and whether to stay or end it and they feel people complicate it. Well bless you saggy women!
I'd disagree with this assessment, they tend to go for men of water signs at abnormally high rates compared to other fire sign women. If anything, I'd say any guy of a water sign that wants a fiery women, sags are the easiest ones. If anything, I'd argue they love drama and love to be emotionally entangled because of their pent up frustration.
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14680 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 09, 2021 03:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by plutonianmenace: I'd disagree with this assessment, they tend to go for men of water signs at abnormally high rates compared to other fire sign women. If anything, I'd say any guy of a water sign that wants a fiery women, sags are the easiest ones.If anything, I'd argue they love drama and love to be emotionally entangled because of their pent up frustration.
Definitely not what I have noticed but we can definitely agree to disagree. IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace Knowflake Posts: 180 From: Iowa Registered: Feb 2021
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posted July 09, 2021 03:55 PM
Come to think of it, this study here is very interesting indeed. Sag men ended up with fire sign women quite often for marriages while Sag women avoided all fire sign men outside of Sag men, even opting for water signs in exchange:https://www.metaphoricalplatypus.com/fun-stuff/astrology/astrology-love-and-marriage/love-marriage-and-compatibility-for-sagittarius/ I think that the energy does not sit well in a woman compared to a man, hence why so many Sagittarius women such as Chrissy Teigen, Nicki Minaj, Britney Spears, and Ann Coulter are so mentally ill. It could also be due to some sort of insecurity on their part where they hate outgoing, extroverted, and outwardly confident men hence their vendetta against Leos as shown in that study as well as in celebrity pairings between the two being so rare. I also think it is because Sagittarius women are very weird and odd for a Leo's taste. I think of Anna Farris from Scary Movies when I think of a Sag and a Leo would sooner go for a Brooklyn Decker or less quirky type of girl. The driving force is that Sagittarius women are not loyal at all. Surprises me they end up with Scorpios often but given that they are neighboring signs, I'd think it is due to her having those envious placements in her chart. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14680 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 09, 2021 04:20 PM
There are mentally ill people of all signs and immature people of all signs, I have not noticed in my field a disproportional amount of saggy's getting mental health services. Also, Hollywood and the entertainment industry has a dark side for which a lot of celebrities are victims off. It could also be that water sign men are attracted to Saggy women and hence saggy women end up with water signs. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8710 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted July 09, 2021 04:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by plutonianmenace: I actually think this varies greatly based on gender. Leo men and Sag men get along just fine and make for good friends with each other. As for Sagittarius women, the dynamic is a bit different overall. From what I have noticed, Sag women tend to be more on the fringe compared to women of other fire signs. Aries women are more free and while naive, just heavily transparent and embodiment of fire energy. Leo women are stuckup but also quite ambitious. Sagittarius women seem to be more on the odd side, like they are the most watery of all the fire signs. I notice quite a bit are quirky and also tend to have things going on with their mental health where they end up being more reclusive, perhaps that is why they end up with water sign men so often compared to fire sign men. Where the annoyance comes from is that Sag women have this god complex when they see other fire signs and try to come off as all knowing. A lot of them are quite condescending and love to talk down to people which irritates a lot of the more blunt fire signs, especially Leos. Perhaps the biggest setback is that Sagittarius women are quite disrespectful for the sake of being disrespectful, perhaps this is why Mercury is in fall in this sign. Sagittarius women do not have that finesse and loyalty that other fire sign women have which angers the hell out of a Leo. A Sag women will happily fraternize with your enemy because in her eyes, who cares, it's not her fight its yours. In a relationship, that becomes a roadblock because the Leo expects everyone in his circle to be with him or against him. I think this is why in celeb couples, this pairing is rare. Leos are loyal but they want loyalty in return. Sag women don't commit to anything and are likely to cheat on you with your worst enemy.
I am familiar with the preachy "god complex" that you speak of. It's more a "Jupiter" thing ime. Because I have met a few annoying Sag dominant types who are like this.And it's not necessarily exclusively Sag females. I used to be that way when younger( I have a stellium in 9th) and know a Vir(Sag Moon and Asc) & Leo (Sag Mars, Asc conj Jup in Cap)who were very much like that too(women). I think there was a study done by Gunter Sachs many moons ago about which sign the Sag woman is most likely to marry. Marriage: Sagittarius Women Sachs Study Sachs found that (hetero)Sagittarius women marry Sagittarius men most often. As for who Sagittarius women are most likely and least likely to divorce, there were no statistically significant results for any sign. The following is an overall ranking from most common(1) to least common marriages(12) with Sagittarius women (* indicates that the result is statistically significant): 1.Sagittarius* 2.Libra 3.Gemini 4.Taurus 5.Virgo 6.Aquarius 7.Pisces (same marriage rate as Cancer) 8.Cancer 9.Scorpio 10.Capricorn 11.Leo 12.Aries Notice how the Sun is not particularly strong/neutral in the first 3? In my life experience, hetero Sag Women like Cancer men the most (Jupiter-Sag ruler- is exalted in Cancer). Then Tau & lastly Vir. I have seen plenty of these couplings (my mom is Sag with a Cancer) In Celebrityville, it's not consistent. But fire signs don't feature much (for sure). Sag women just don't go for them often 🤷🏿♂️ Scarlett Johansson(Sag Sun &Asc, Moon Sco) married a Sco, then a Cancer and then recently another Cancer. Katie Holmes (Sag Sun,Leo Asc, Leo Moon) was engaged to a Pisces,married a Cancer, dated a Sag and recently split with a Leo. Britney Spears is with a Pisces, married/ divorced an Aries. Dated an Aqua.And was engaged to a Sag once. Christina Aguilera married/divorced a Gem. Now she is engaged to an Aries. Jane Fonda married an Aqua,a Sag and then a Sco. Cicely Tyson was married to Gemini -Miles Davis. Julianne Moore married a Cap, then an Aqua Rebel Wilson's ex is a Tau, Miley's recent ex is a Cap.And she was once engaged to Liam Hemsworth (a Cap).
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8710 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted July 09, 2021 04:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: There are mentally ill people of all signs and immature people of all signs, I have not noticed in my field a disproportional amount of saggy's getting mental health services. Also, Hollywood and the entertainment industry has a dark side for which a lot of celebrities are victims off. It could also be that water sign men are attracted to Saggy women and hence saggy women end up with water signs.
Exactly. You have a point there. I recall the cheesy show "Joe Millionaire "about a guy pretending to be millionaire only to then reveal that he is anything but. The two "finalists" were Sag women. And he("Joe Millionaire") was Evan Marriott (born 15 July 1974) - a Cancer.💁🏿♂️ IP: Logged |
MoonMystic Knowflake Posts: 5525 From: Registered: Nov 2016
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posted July 09, 2021 04:47 PM
Sagittarius rising female, once engaged to a Leo Venus+Mercury man. Very well matched. Life happened but the energies fit between us.IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace Knowflake Posts: 180 From: Iowa Registered: Feb 2021
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posted July 09, 2021 06:36 PM
Yeah I notice Sagittarius women loving Cancer men the most too, guess it has to do with Jupiter rulership. I do find it odd since Sag men love fire sign women more. The vendetta Sag women have against other fire sign men, especially Leos, is unreal though and something that sticks out.My thought process is that Sagittarius women understand that deep down, they cannot compete with Libra, Taurus, Aries, and even water sign women when it comes to attracting a Leo. As a result, they turn to water signs as a fallback and as a power move because they feel like they have more power in that relationship. Then they try to get even with Leo men by constantly being their enemies (case in point, trashy Ann Coulter going after Barack Obama). Maybe Leo men themselves kind of think "why would I deal with this crazy mess" and back out fast. What sticks out to me is that Sag men do not carry the same vendetta that the women do, further leading me to believe that the energy sits poorly in Sagittarius women which explains their vendetta and disdain towards Leo men. Something that Aries and Leo women do not have. IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace Knowflake Posts: 180 From: Iowa Registered: Feb 2021
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posted July 09, 2021 06:57 PM
Come to think of it, Leo men with Aries women makes tons of sense now since sun is exalted there. You do see Leo men go for Venus ruled women too which is why I see them end up with Taurus, Libra, and Pisces women so much. Now it does make sense why Leos end up with Pisces women a lot, because it is exalted in Venus. Then with Cancer women, even though it is Jupiter exalt, it is also ruled by moon which is a luminary like the sun. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 8710 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted July 10, 2021 04:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by plutonianmenace: Yeah I notice Sagittarius women loving Cancer men the most too, guess it has to do with Jupiter rulership. I do find it odd since Sag men love fire sign women more. The vendetta Sag women have against other fire sign men, especially Leos, is unreal though and something that sticks out.My thought process is that Sagittarius women understand that deep down, they cannot compete with Libra, Taurus, Aries, and even water sign women when it comes to attracting a Leo. As a result, they turn to water signs as a fallback and as a power move because they feel like they have more power in that relationship. Then they try to get even with Leo men by constantly being their enemies (case in point, trashy Ann Coulter going after Barack Obama). Maybe Leo men themselves kind of think "why would I deal with this crazy mess" and back out fast. What sticks out to me is that Sag men do not carry the same vendetta that the women do, further leading me to believe that the energy sits poorly in Sagittarius women which explains their vendetta and disdain towards Leo men. Something that Aries and Leo women do not have.
I think you have a selective bias when it comes to Sag women. Perhaps because of your own unfortunate experience? Maybe you find them the least attractive and that is why you have this point of view? But they are NOT all what you say they are. Not at all. There are Sag women who are indifferent to Leo or Aries(and the reverse also being true). It's not a "must" for the Sag woman to be attractive to a Leo male in order for her to be validated as "worthy"as mate. That's ridiculous. There could be many factors at play. But generally, it may be possible that she just may not be interested or moved by the Leo male. He(Leo male) is after all not the benchmark AND has never been a measure upon which her "value" as a fire woman depends🤷🏿♂️ Sag on the whole are not the "all heart in" type of lovers that Aries/Leo may be. They do not sacrifice all for love. That is not their style(ime). And Leo/Aries tend to expect that. As a Sag with an Aries , I find myself often at odds with his view of "love". It has a very "bleed from the soul" feel to it that he expect from me. And I am more "let's enjoy each other and see where it goes". Sag has Pis on the solar IC. Emotionally, they can be the most evasive and hard to pin down.Insistent on exclusive freedom and keeping things "open-ended". That is not comforting for either Aries or Leo. For the Cancer(Solar IC in Lib) that is fine. They tend to change heir minds often anyways and wouldn't want to feel "boxed in". Also the case with Sco(IC in Aqua) and Virgo(IC in Sag). Notice also with Cancer and Sag(IC in Lib and Pisc respectively) their view of love is not tied into 'reality'? It's very fairytale/romance. And more mental/ imaginative than tangible. Even the Aqua (solar IC in practical Tau) can be too heavy going for Sag. And that's saying something😂 Leo has the solar IC in intense Sco. Their nature is more "all or nothing"and tends to be domineering emotionally. They go into love with emotional intensity that is overwhelming to most. Aries has the solar IC in protective Can. They tend to wear their hearts on their sleeve and are very tender to rejection- reacting immediately to slights and rebuffs. You can't compare signs to each other as each are different. And the "quirk" that Sag has is because they are bringing something different to the table. Their mind works differently (solar 3rd house in Aqua) Ann Coulter(to my understanding of American politics)goes after everyone and anyone who is not part of her Republican party or contradicts that narrative. She went after the then President Obama because (just like anyone on that seat) the person appointed to that position of power, is subject to intense scrutiny. And not because he is Leo and there is some some cosmic agenda afoot. That is ludicrous. We would not say that Nancy Pelosi's (Ari) open disapproval of Donald Trump (Gem) has a certain Aries vs. Gemini vendetta as an underbelly? Ofcourse not🤷🏿♂️ And mental illness cannot be arbitrarily assigned to Sag. There are various aspects in the chart that may suggest ones predisposition to it. It is not exclusive to Sag (women). And I also think you have a "superiority" complex that you attribute to fire signs? This to suggest that water/air/earth sign men are "less manly" and therefore WOULD be attracted to a Sag women. Because in your books, she is less "worthy" of attracting a "stallion" like a Leo or Aries male anyways.🤭 Have you ever thought that the reason she doesn't like these guys is because many tend towards being childlike/immature? And she does not find that "cute"?Nor is interested in brushing their egos(like most women often habitually do)?💁🏿♂️ Pisces/Aqua placements and adverse Uranus and Neptune influences,are usually indicators of the possibility for mental illness in the chart. Not Sag/Jup. Add to this, ime it is the air Sun sign women that are likely to be sexually uninhibited and adventurous. I think the word "easy" is sexist because when men are sexually uninhibited, they are termed "virile" and "insatiable"(in a good way) Lisa Sparx( Libra Sun, Pisces Moon,Ven in Sco and Mars in Lib) set a record by sleeping with 919 men in one day. "Easy" or just adventurous? Molly Parkin(Aqua Sun, Cap Moon, Pisces Ven, Mars in Aqua) slept with an entire Rugby team. She was supposed to also give the Real Madrid team a go at her.But she refused (and later regretted that decision). Oh yes.... Robert Redford (Leo) was married to Lola Van Wagenan(Sag female) from 1958 to 1985(27 years). Casey Affleck (Leo man)and Summer Phoenix( Sag) married for 11 years. My aunt is a Sag female who never wanted to get married. She has been with her Leo partner for years. They have no kids between them and when asked why she won't marry,her response was "I live for freedom.I could never live for someone else." IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14680 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 10, 2021 12:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: I think you have a selective bias when it comes to Sag women. Perhaps because of your own unfortunate experience? Maybe you find them the least attractive and that is why you have this point of view? But they are NOT all what you say they are. Not at all.
Participated mainly on this thread bc I appreciate you and enjoy conversation with you and your insights.
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 14680 From: Mercury novile and parallel Pluto, Pluto septile Southnode Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 10, 2021 02:01 PM
"My thought process is that Sagittarius women understand that deep down, they cannot compete with Libra, Taurus, Aries, and even water sign women when it comes to attracting a Leo."LOL Really?! What is so hot about Leo men? I am sorry but no, I have never had a leo man catch my attention, the only sign that has gotten my attention in a very captivating intense way is scorpio and that has more to do with our synastry and composite I am sure. IP: Logged |
Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3611 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted July 10, 2021 02:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Saggy women are not interested in complicated or emotionally draining relationships, their threshold tolerance for emotionally draining relationships is beautifully low, they have no issues ending a relationship and can walk away UN-apologetically and guilt free from a relationship that they have determined is not working for them bc is emotionally draining, they have low tolerance for that.
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Hikaru29 Knowflake Posts: 3611 From: Asia Registered: Nov 2018
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posted July 10, 2021 02:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by plutonianmenace: My thought process is that Sagittarius women understand that deep down, they cannot compete with Libra, Taurus, Aries, and even water sign women when it comes to attracting a Leo.
Pfftt… what’s so great about Leo men? 😂 You made it sound like they’re god’s gift to women. If that man is too much work, Sag women are not interested, be they Leo, Libra, Cancer w/e. IP: Logged |
MoonMystic Knowflake Posts: 5525 From: Registered: Nov 2016
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posted July 10, 2021 03:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: "My thought process is that Sagittarius women understand that deep down, they cannot compete with Libra, Taurus, Aries, and even water sign women when it comes to attracting a Leo."LOL Really?! What is so hot about Leo men? I am sorry but no, I have never had a leo man catch my attention, the only sign that has gotten my attention in a very captivating intense way is scorpio and that has more to do with our synastry and composite I am sure.
This resonates well for me. I dated various placements of Leo (in my younger days) but Hypatia is spot on in my situation too. Scorpio is that captivating energy that just feels right. In my inner workings, Scorpio is even more aligned even than Cancer. I'm not a cusp Sagittarius though. I think there's a certain quality in Scorpio. IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace Knowflake Posts: 180 From: Iowa Registered: Feb 2021
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posted July 10, 2021 04:56 PM
There you go, I know I was on to something when I said that Sagittarius women do indeed have a vendetta against Leo men. It takes some digging and probing but overtime, the true colors do indeed get exposed.Yeah, Tom Brady, the most winningest quarterback with model looks and there is nothing to him. Chris Hemsworth, a modern day sex symbol, but nothing to Leo men. Barack Obama, one of the most handsome presidents with charisma through the roof but nothing to Leo men. But hey, I am not here to hype up Leo men, rather just see everyone slowly show their true colors. Look, I finally get it now and have seen the truth. The reality is that Sagittarius women are just really really good at coping compared to women of other signs. You make up all these stories about how you hate attached lovers but you go for water sign men who are known for being emotional and clingy, haha, nice try. Let's just call a spade a spade here. Unlike Aries women who go for what they want and are truly honest about it and Leo women who are the same way, Sagittarius women are just not true to themselves. They act all high, mighty, and "evolved" compared to other fire signs but let's be real with ourselves here, it is just a cope and nothing else. How many Sagittarius supermodels are there compared to women of other signs? Not many. How many female sex symbols are Sags? Probably some but they are definitely not in the top 5 compared to other signs that are much better represented. Even in this recent study from a dating app, Sagittarius women got the least matches of all signs except for Pisces: https://www.vogue.com.au/culture/lifestyle/tinder-says-these-star-signs-get-the-most-matches/news-story/e010ae548f34c73573ff3b117897f4d6 It all boils down to one thing, Sagittarius women just have good coping mechanisms when they are unable to get what they really want in life. They crave that charismatic fire energy but know that they cannot compete with much sexier signs so they cope by going for the less desired men. You see it in their behavior too which explains a lot. Why is Chrissy Teigen such a trashy woman and Ann Coulter such a crude ***** ? It's because these women live through life coping and not going after what they want. The truth is, almost all women with a lot of Sag in their chart want a masculine fire sign man to give them the night of their lives. Unfortunately for them, Venus is ruled by Libra and Taurus so these men go for those women or more outwardly charismatic fire sign women like Aries and Leo women. Sagittarius women cannot compete in that regard so they act out in these trashy ways that are represented by Nicki Minhaj and Ann Coulter, they are confrontational because they have learned to accept the fact that the Chris Hemsworths and Bradys of the world will never want to sleep with them so they get confrontational towards them. These are just facts and nothing else. You don't see too many Sagittarius women on the catwalk. You don't see too many Sagittarius women who are every young man's dream compared to women of other signs. Even the most popular female pornstars are of other signs. Sagittarius women have the ambition but lack the genetic gifts to ever really make it. As a coping mechanism, they target and get hostile towards men of more outwardly charismatic signs because they know it is an energy they will never have. They envy Leo and Aries women because they hate the fact that these women are so seamlessly charismatic and can attract a handsome Leo or a charismatic Aries. They target Leo men because in life, the sun rarely shines on a Sagittarius woman. IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace Knowflake Posts: 180 From: Iowa Registered: Feb 2021
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posted July 10, 2021 05:02 PM
I also think that Sagittarius women who go for Scorpio men are settling in a big way and likely have a lot of Scorpio in their chart in which case, they are barely a Sag. It makes sense though, Scorpio men are very bitter people who envy other signs like Leos and Aries. Sagittarius women themselves are bitter towards Leo and Aries women since these women are so outwardly charismatic and factually more attractive.As for Sagittarius women, by nature they are not made for water sign men. Fire sign women in general are not that emotional and into the clingy stuff. Still, when a guy has options, you have to settle for what you can get. Air sign men have options due to their charisma and fire sign men for their overall attractiveness. Water sign men, generally speaking, take whatever they can get. Scorpio men are known for being bitter and overcompensating, having to use underhanded and sketchy tactics to get women. For most Sagittarius women, since majority are not evolved, it is a great match. Hey, you hate Leo men and Aries men because they are more charismatic and appealing to the public than you. I hate Leo and Aries people because they have that pure fire energy I wish I had. Even when you see most Sagittarius women, they are mentally ill and have a lot of mental health issues. Most try to be these deep thinker types when really, Mercury is in fall in this sign and they just run their mouths more to cover up for their own less than stellar IQs. It's bitterness meets bitterness which is why Sagittarius women go for Scorpio men. In the end though, they are both unhappy people and she will live quite a bitter life, ending up like horse-faced tramp Ann Coulter. IP: Logged | |