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plutonianmenace
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posted January 02, 2022 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Say Saturn is 15 degrees in your natal chart in a given sign, Aqua to be relevant.

I hear if its 5 degrees away from reaching that, you are at the peak of your Saturn Return. So say it goes from 15 degrees to a 16 degrees transit, is your Saturn Return over?

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posted January 02, 2022 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OrbitalFire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some say your Saturn Return begins (or you may start to feel it's effects) when it first enters its natal sign. The strongest would be when it exsctly conjuncts your natal Saturn
You can use a Saturn return calculator to find out the the days your Saturn return is "exact" such as https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/saturn-return-astrology-calculator or you can google others.
Overall I suppose it really depends on the orb allowance your comfortable with.. and what else Saturn is doing in your chart during your return which may potentially amplify its effects.
Currently going through my Saturn return as well (I'm 11 degrees Aqua) and it made its final conjunction on the 21 December 2021. There were 3 in total over the course of the year due to retrograde motion but anyway 5 degrees before it conjuncts would not be felt as strongly as the exact conjunction but that's just my two cents though
To answer your question specifically as to when it ends.. I guess that depends on the person but I think it's generally accepted that 10 degrees separating would signal the end of the return but don't quote me on that x

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posted January 02, 2022 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cool link^

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GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted January 02, 2022 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With the heavy hitters like Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, etc, most start to feel it up to around -5* exact. After it becomes exact, it starts to more rapidly fade, but there is like a + 3 to 4 degree or so when many will still feel and notice it.

There can be exceptions to the above because there are few hard and fast rules in astrology, as we are all unique. Some people might experience it a bit differently than the majority. Astrology is definitely more an art than a science in that respect, since it reflects human consciousness which is not linear, has a very wide spectrum, and is subject to the wild card, unpredictable freewill factor (which exists outside of present astrological patterns/indications, but will be part of any probable future lifetime charts...).

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posted January 03, 2022 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 93nov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for this and right on time.

I enter my Saturn return this year.. if I haven't already.


I'm not really nervous (I literally just wrapped up a Pluto square Moon transit. Ha) so my life has been a living hell for the past 5-6 years so 1-2 more won't hurt.

I am curious to know how this will play out. I haven't really heard too many horror stories like I did with Pluto (None of them could prepare me btw).

BUMP (:

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posted January 03, 2022 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HeavenlyLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because I have a bit of a visual problem, I just read :

'When does a Saturn Rectum exactly end ?' 😁

First or second rectum ?

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posted January 03, 2022 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MonteCristo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HeavenlyLove:
Because I have a bit of a visual problem, I just read :

'When does a Saturn Rectum exactly end ?' 😁

First or second rectum ?


Hopefully it would be the first rectum; one would be enough! 😂

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posted January 03, 2022 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MonteCristo:
Hopefully it would be the first rectum; one would be enough! 😂

We won't know until the Grey E.T.'s get involved... "Get the probes ready and send in the Greys STAT!"

(P.S., fun fact, they have just moved their temporary home away from home, from Saturn to Uranus...).

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posted January 03, 2022 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OrbitalFire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HeavenlyLove:
Because I have a bit of a visual problem, I just read :

'When does a Saturn Rectum exactly end ?' 😁

First or second rectum ?


I believe in these instances we look to Uranus 😂😂

incredibly immature me...🤭

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posted January 03, 2022 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OrbitalFire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Damn GalacticCoreExplosionV2 beat me to it 😩

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GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted January 03, 2022 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by OrbitalFire:
Damn GalacticCoreExplosionV2 beat me to it 😩

Oy mate, no worries, great minds think alike.

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HeavenlyLove
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posted January 03, 2022 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HeavenlyLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 03, 2022 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HeavenlyLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 03, 2022 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HeavenlyLove:
Same for you, you were the one who told me I should open up about my psychic abilities, that it was safe here to do this.
In the thread about Hugh Jackman you ignored me after I wrote something about what I saw clairvoyantly, because I had an alternative to your analyse ?
In another thread some indirect, in general remarks about clairvoyance...although you use psychic methods yourself...

A pitty...specially from you I hoped for more 'great mind' in a holistic way, including courage, altruism and heart.


Hi HeavenlyLove,

I honestly don't understand why you are hurt and being self sensitive here, while buzzkilling an otherwise nice, fun, and lighthearted moment, but to answer your question: I was not so much purposely ignoring you as I didn't see any point in replying since clearly I had already come to my own strong conclusions. About 70% of the time when I disagree with people on here, I just don't say anything. Often that is the better part of wisdom.

Sometimes when I do disagree with someone, it's to make deeper and/or holistic points, like when I responded to PlutoWasHere's reply over there, where we both agreed on the Asc Sign, but disagreed as to where. Also, another reason why I engaged her was because I perceive her as being a more serious and/or perceptive student of astrology than the average person here. As I get older and practice my Virgo NN lessons more, I'm learning to apply discernment as to the time and energy I give to others.

I've observed this very self sensitive pattern of yours a few times here (like with my personal friend Chanterelle), and some friendly, if unwanted advice--I-net forums might not be the best place for you to socially interact with people. I kind of get the sense that face to face type interactions might be easier and more comfortable for you. To some extent, to interact on these more impersonal I-net forums, you need a somewhat thicker skin as they say, and you seem to have a thinner skin in that sense.

Either you can avoid potentially uncomfortable social situations, or learn how to change and adapt to deal with them, but you can't expect people plural and collectively to change and adapt for you, to better suit your needs, wants, desires.

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HeavenlyLove
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posted January 03, 2022 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HeavenlyLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 03, 2022 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When Saturn leaves the sign.

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GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted January 03, 2022 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because I never directed sarcasm towards you.

You read too much into things and make mountains out of molehills at times.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted January 03, 2022 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My detailed observations have led me to use a 5.5° orb on the applying side. The effect of Saturn drops off quicker on the back end (separating side), but I still consider the 5.5° orb to mark the completion in full of Saturn's return (or any other aspect) because aspects are aggregate in their effects, not singular. So even if Saturn's return effect drops way off after it has separated by say 4°, other planetary transit aspects to natal Saturn will add energy to it until it is out of range (5.5°).

The 5.5° orb for transits (at least the applying side) surprised me, because it applied equally whether Jupiter, Saturn, or Pluto were the planet making the transit. An did not matter what major aspect was being made (conjunction, square, trine, opposition). Only the sextile and quincunx have narrower orbs (about 4° and 2° respectively).

Transit aspects definitely do not remain active 10° out, especially on the separating side (back end). That's a stretch for even natal aspects, except for the luminaries.

And the sign-based notion of the Saturn return is just that: a pop sign-based notion that is not applicable to aspects. A planetary return is an aspect — planetary geometry — not in any way measured by signs.

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posted January 04, 2022 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OrbitalFire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HeavenlyLove:
My joke was completely innocent and harmless by the way, without any indirect sarcasm.
Just in case you would like to tell me anything about 'Uranus', you could do it openly and honestly in your thread about nodes and future lives, where I did my best for you to open up my heart and tell you about my experiences, which are very sacred and dear to me, so that was not even easy. You didn't react there at all, you don't have to like or believe what I wrote, but I do deserve honest critisism and some tiny amount of respect at least, instead of sarcasm in other threads. Hope to see you there.

Hey HeavenlyLove there was no sarcasm in my reply. Just a little joke not in anyway directed at you personally.
That's why I wrote "incredibly immature of me" because I know I'm being ridiculous and not meaning anything by it.
I didn't realise you've replied to my question about the nodes, so thank you for that and i will have a look. I'm not sure where you live but I live on the other side of the world from most people in this forum, so when I post something, it moves down the forum pretty quickly due to the time difference.

@OP, apologies if this came across as disrespect to your post

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posted January 04, 2022 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HeavenlyLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 04, 2022 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
My detailed observations have led me to use a 5.5° orb on the applying side. The effect of Saturn drops off quicker on the back end (separating side), but I still consider the 5.5° orb to mark the completion in full of Saturn's return (or any other aspect) because aspects are aggregate in their effects, not singular. So even if Saturn's return effect drops way off after it has separated by say 4°, other planetary transit aspects to natal Saturn will add energy to it until it is out of range (5.5°).

The 5.5° orb for transits (at least the applying side) surprised me, because it applied equally whether Jupiter, Saturn, or Pluto were the planet making the transit. An did not matter what major aspect was being made (conjunction, square, trine, opposition). Only the sextile and quincunx have narrower orbs (about 4° and 2° respectively).

Transit aspects definitely [b]do not remain active 10° out, especially on the separating side (back end). That's a stretch for even natal aspects, except for the luminaries.

And the sign-based notion of the Saturn return is just that: a pop sign-based notion that is not applicable to aspects. A planetary return is an aspect — planetary geometry — not in any way measured by signs.

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So in my case, I have to wait until Saturn gets to about 21 degrees in Aquarius before I can breathe easy lol.

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posted January 04, 2022 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HeavenlyLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 04, 2022 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HeavenlyLove     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 04, 2022 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We need to do a synastry chart between Heavenly Love and Galactic Core now

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