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plutonianmenace
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posted February 25, 2022 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear that it is supposed to mean you are unreasonable and don't listen well but I'd love to hear thoughts.

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posted February 25, 2022 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It can be the best awful. Then at other times, awfully good. Mercury may provide a certain level of instability as its a planet of flux.

What other aspects are made to the Sun/Mercury mix? I have Sun/Merc parrallel (for instance) and Mercury parallel Jupiter. Jupiter conjunct Sun.

My life has been filled by all sorts of variety and instability. Uranus is parallel Mercury. So my life hasn't unfolded in a consistent pattern at all.

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posted February 25, 2022 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine is five degrees away, so I don’t think it’s awful.

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posted February 25, 2022 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Traditionally it is said that the farther apart these are, if in conjunction, the better as a trend.

Like anything within the chart, it really needs to be judged within a holistic context of the entire chart.

The most basic, core interpretation of Sun conjunct Mercury is that the intellectual mind (Mercury) is one (conjunction) with the Spirit and/or ego of the person (Sun). Now, what is the nature of that person's intellect mind, and what is the nature of their Spirit and ego (ego meant more in the psychological sense, and not the pop spiritual sense, in this particular case)?

The answers to those questions will determine whether or not these play out constructively, destructively, or both at different times (I reckon the latter is probably the most common on average).

There does seem to be a tendency for closer Sun Mercury conjunctions to have a greater bias wherein they tend to see/perceive what they want or would like to. But again, that also depends on the whole chart.

In my chart, the Sun is my chart ruler i.e. a receptive, amplifying symbol for other symbols connected to it. The Sun is in Capricorn and widely conjunct (7.5* separation) Mercury also in Capricorn. Both of these are trine a Mars Jupiter conjunction in Virgo (the closest aspect in that bunch is Mercury trine Jupiter with .5 separation), Sun is widely sextile angular Scorp Uranus, and Sun is fairly closely square cadent Libra Pluto. By virtue of Mercury's conjunct with the Sun, even though Mercury doesn't directly partake of the latter two aspects, it is involved via it being conjunct the Sun which is.

Interestingly, when I was a young child and was asked what my favorite colors were, one of them was yellow. At the time, I didn't have the vocab or awareness to explain that I particularly liked a kind of bright golden, cream type yellow.

This interestingly, is like a blend of Mercury (the regular yellow to tans) and Solar (golden light) energy. We tend to like/be attracted to either the colors strongest in our aura, OR sometimes those colors which are opposite of our strongest colors. In my case, it is both, in that I have that color strong in my aura, but I also have its opposite in purple and magenta (highlighted Jupiter, and Jupiter conjunct Mars) even stronger.

Someone with a close conjunction of Sun and Mercury in Leo will tend to overly identify their perceptions with their emotions and beliefs and thus there will tend to be blind and/or distorted spots in their perception, particularly regarding Leo type things, which can vary from personal creativity, leadership, dramatic self expression, romance, children, etc. In other words, they will tend to be moderately to strongly biased--particularly in these Leonine areas.

Dunno, perhaps writing numerous threads about how Sagittarius women are so into Leo men could be a manifestation of that, especially when the person is also a Venusian (i.e. a romantic, relationship focused person), but whose Venus is square by angular Scorpio Pluto (and thus not only biased in this area, but also OCD)?

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posted February 26, 2022 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
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Someone with a close conjunction of Sun and Mercury in Leo will tend to overly identify their perceptions with their emotions and beliefs and thus there will tend to be blind and/or distorted spots in their perception, particularly regarding Leo type things, which can vary from personal creativity, leadership, dramatic self expression, romance, children, etc. In other words, they will tend to be moderately to strongly biased--particularly in these Leonine areas.

Dunno, perhaps writing numerous threads about how Sagittarius women are so into Leo men could be a manifestation of that, especially when the person is also a Venusian (i.e. a romantic, relationship focused person), ....


How about a Leo sun (3rd house) Gemini rising conjunct Leo Mercury (2nd house) within 2 degrees with Venus in Libra square Saturn? The Moon is in Cancer and the Mars is in 8th house..

Pallas (3rd house) conjunct both sun and mercury within less 1 degrees.. Would it make any balance?

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posted February 26, 2022 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
I hear that it is supposed to mean you are unreasonable and don't listen well but I'd love to hear thoughts.

I don't see it as categorically good or bad, but over time I've noticed some tendencies that lean it in the challenging direction. I don't see any usefulness in the traditional concept of 'combust.' It's better to have a qualitative understanding that includes the nuances about the nature of both planets/bodies and see how they combine. Ultimately, it is how the person makes use of it.

It does depend on the sign and how tight the conjunction is, and if the two are also in parallel aspect. And it depends on what other aspects they are making to other planets.

Consider the nature of the Sun: It is core energy, the self, ego, will power, identity, etc. It is the strongest self-point in the horoscope with the most ego attached to it. It is our fundamental style of out-putting energy.

Consider the nature of Mercury: It is receptive by nature — to information (of whatever quality), to interaction, communicating.

When these two get together Sun can dominate the dynamic, emphasizing output of what one already thinks/believes instead of the receptivity of Mercury being maintained. There is a tendency to over-communicate. Sun is dominant as the much stronger body, and while it may infuse the mercurial dynamic to stimulate over-reaction, that is also generally ego-based (or based on internal assumptions or default tendencies).

There's less tendency to learn in a truly open-minded manner because the ego is constantly involved. The person can be quite curious, even intellectual, even driven and scholastic, but the ego will revert the person back to preconceptions and output rather than input.

It's similar with Mercury-Mars, which similarly emphasizes output and gets the ego too involved in the learning process, cutting it off.

Understand, these are not automatic, but are the default tendencies of people with this aspect. They can overcome them, just as I've become more aware of my Mercury-Mars parallel aspect and those default tendencies.

Like Galactic said, generally the wider conjunction will function better than a tight one, and can even be a beneficial aspect (again, depending on the other conditions).

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posted February 26, 2022 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hard to say without seeing the full chart.

What you outlined indicates a pretty strong Sun, in general, in the chart. This can indicate a pretty open and expanded hearted type person.

The more the heart opens in a person, the more perception tends to expand and clarify. But Sun is one of those symbols and energies that is hard for humans to channel through "as is" because it is so fast vibratory, positive, and expanded in nature. People think Neptune is hard to channel through in a more pure, and purely constructive way? Nope, doesn't hold a candle to the Sun.

It (the Sun) often gets stepped down to a lower octave, Leo like and type attunement and expression. Leo in general is far more biased than Solar energy as is. That is because Leo has more ego attunement than Sun.

This may not make sense to people since most will say, "but Leo is ruled by the Sun, aren't they very similar?" This is one of those complicated and simultaneous, "yes and no's".

One of the ways that I simply describe and distinguish the energies in an archetypal way, is talking about colors in relation to the human aura. When a person is strongly attuned to the Sun "as is" and channeling it through purely, you will tend to find a lot of Golden Light in their aura. Such a color/vibration is pretty rare to have in large quantities in humans. It is a rather fast vibratory and expanded vibrational indication.

Leo on the other hand, is like a stepped down (a couple times) octave of that Golden Light, and often shows up when people have strong Leo, in their aura as a more high orange type color i.e. a mix or blend of orange and yellow--yellowy orange. This is a much slower vibratory energy and pattern. Much more ego and materially centered than the Golden Light.

It is the ego of humans that causes bias and distorted perception. Increase the ego and you increase bias and distortion in perception. Increase the universal Love and you expand and clarify the perception.

I have found that one of the common prerequisites for a person to channel through the Sun as is in that Golden Light way, is to have mastered the purple-violet spectrum first. Meaning, either Jupiter, Neptune, and/or Pisces has to be simultaneously strong and already mastered/strongly focused on, before that Golden Light of the Sun will be unveiled in them. This is because purple/violet is the vibrational range that is in a sense "right before" the Golden Light. Or in other words, purple-violet is a slightly slower vibratory attunement/expression than the Golden Light.

I don't know if any of this makes any sense to others or not.

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posted February 26, 2022 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for saronna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
I hear that it is supposed to mean you are unreasonable and don't listen well but I'd love to hear thoughts.

I have Sun conjunction mercury in my soul chart. I was in hospital & talking to psychiatrist & he said I was reasonable. I worked as a hearing attendant in tribunal & I listen alot to soulmate game.

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posted February 27, 2022 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Dunno, perhaps writing numerous threads about how Sagittarius women are so into Leo men could be a manifestation of that, especially when the person is also a Venusian (i.e. a romantic, relationship focused person), but whose Venus is square by angular Scorpio Pluto (and thus not only biased in this area, but also OCD)?

Talk about throwing shade

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posted February 27, 2022 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not really, it is a good correlation to your chart. Close Mercury Sun conjunction in Leo, with Leo Venus Rising square Scorp Pluto.

I don't have anything against you personally. I see ALL people as important, valuable parts of the Source and the Oneness. If criticism comes out, it is 99% of the time impersonal and motivated by the hope that it will plant subconscious seeds of retrieval that will sprout at a later time.

One of the only times I have thrown shade towards anyone on this site was the following, and I felt bad about it after. (And he and I have a bit of a history at this forum). As I mentioned later on the below thread, my ego got involved in this case (it rarely does normally):
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/003641.html

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posted February 27, 2022 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by saronna:
I have Sun conjunction mercury in my soul chart. I was in hospital & talking to psychiatrist & he said I was reasonable. I worked as a hearing attendant in tribunal & I listen alot to soulmate game.

Yes, I’ve generally been seen as reasonable, too, over the years.

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posted February 27, 2022 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Come to think of it, I think its a part of my personality to where I want to force the discussion. When I noticed racial inequality in my youth, I forced the uncomfortable discussion about it to where people had to talk about it than accepting it. I feel like for me, when I go on this quest for answers and a discussion, I go deep and keep going to where I do **** people off but I keep going. It's like, I have no off switch and I pursue the goals in life the same way. My mars is in Gemini and in the 10th house so I try to gather as much as I can knowledge wise, including stuff they keep hidden and discussions that they find taboo and I go from there.

I owe it to me making it out of poverty and bettering my life. I don't take people at face value and have this hunger for knowledge and even certain taboo discussions that society keeps their mouth shut about. It's no doubt annoyed some and enraged others who have wanted my head on a platter. It becomes an obsession to where I want to keep digging and digging and digging to see what I find because I feel like with each layer of it being uncovered, I find something new.

As for the Sag woman and Leo man discussion, I saw so many sites claiming its a bad pairing and then celeb pairings of the sort not being common so I had to practically get the discussion going. No doubt people got ****** but at this point, I just accept it. When I set my mind to a certain discussion, I will try to get it front and center and then try to uncover as many layers to it as I can. One answer is not good enough, there have to be many answers and points of views on it.

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posted February 27, 2022 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have sun, moon, mercury rx all conjunct 1 degree in Leo.
All sextile gem Saturn and sextile libra Uranus.

I don’t feel it as a bad aspect. I’m a very stable person especially mentally . Everything is in line. I don’t have much of a inner conflict with myself. I’m very strong mentally. This is what I a lot of people see in me and tell me. I’ve been through a lot .

I keep fighting the good fight. Keep looking forward to better times.

In a spiritual level. Sometimes I just know things. I get these feelings about the world. Before Covid I had a feeling that something was coming that was going to effect the world. However I had no clue what that was going to be.

My daughter passed 6 months ago. I had a feeling death was coming, however I thought it might be my own.
I was constantly thinking about death. 🤷🏼‍♀️
Rip to my daughter 💔🌻

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posted February 27, 2022 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am very weary of using terms like "good" or "bad" when it comes to natal aspects.

What I think is that some aspects are more supportive, while other aspects are more challenging. Looking at things this way allows the native to grow through the blueprint that is the natal chart, and to not see himself/herself as cursed, unlucky or anything of the sort.

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posted February 27, 2022 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, a lot of online astrology sites are not that good.

But in your case, I think you would benefit from delving more into the deeper layers of chart interpretation and not focus so much on Signs.

For example, if your chart is relatively accurate, you appear to be a predominant Venusian, with also Pluto pretty highlighted. With all that combo of Venus and Leo strong, it makes sense that you are so focused on relationships and romance. Doesn't actually "cause" it, but correlates to and reflects same symbolically. It is that way, because of choices that either your Soul, other Souls connected to your Higher self, and/or Higher self made in the past.

Astrology is not a cause, but a correlation, reflection, and indicator.

Btw, the above is not a criticism per se. We ALL start off focusing a lot (too much) on the Signs when we first get into astrology, unless we have a really good/learned/practiced teacher to directly teach us from the beginning.

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posted February 28, 2022 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Come to think of it, I think its a part of my personality to where I want to force the discussion... I feel like for me, when I go on this quest for answers and a discussion, I go deep and keep going to where I do **** people off but I keep going. It's like, I have no off switch and I pursue the goals in life the same way.
... It becomes an obsession to where I want to keep digging and digging and digging to see what I find because I feel like with each layer of it being uncovered, I find something new.

... When I set my mind to a certain discussion, I will try to get it front and center and then try to uncover as many layers to it as I can. One answer is not good enough, there have to be many answers and points of views on it.


You're describing your Asc square Pluto here, but also Sun closely conjunct Mercury in Leo.

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posted February 28, 2022 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that singing is one of the best expressions of Sun conjunct Mercury. Deliver whatever message comes from your soul without ego-mind getting too involved.

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posted February 28, 2022 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Combust is bad in the sense that it makes you too sensitive but you are also very intelligent. However, the conjunction is very good. The oombust is 1-5 and the conjunction is 5-10. I have lots of articles on this because I deal with it so much in charts

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posted March 01, 2022 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Combust is bad in the sense that it makes you too sensitive but you are also very intelligent. However, the conjunction is very good. The oombust is 1-5 and the conjunction is 5-10. I have lots of articles on this because I deal with it so much in charts

Yeah yeah and lots of articles overhyping Scorpio Mars as being unstoppable, nothing personal but you are a heavily biased astrologer and I would never come to you for any sort of reading.

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posted April 26, 2022 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My brother has this. He information dumps and it's like stfu.

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