posted July 27, 2022 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Poland is about to be Ukraine 2.0 from the looks of it.

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Nah. Poland will be just like another Finland 2.0.

For more then 50yrs Finland has been armed to the teeth ready to reply a Russian Invasion, they didn't need to join NATO until recently.

Finland's PM Sanna Marin has baited Putin to invade Finland.

This is were the West has it wrong, you have to hit Putin with a sledge hammer first and show consistent force.

If he presumes your weak he'll walk all over you. This is were the French & Germans got it all wrong trying to handle him like a statesman, your not handling a statesman your dealing with a mob boss.

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posted July 27, 2022 11:45 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
Nah. Poland will be just like another Finland 2.0.

For more then 50yrs Finland has been armed to the teeth ready to reply a Russian Invasion, they didn't need to join NATO until recently.

Finland's PM Sanna Marin has baited Putin to invade Finland.

This is were the West has it wrong, you have to hit Putin with a sledge hammer first and show consistent force.

If he presumes your weak he'll walk all over you. This is were the French & Germans got it all wrong trying to handle him like a statesman, your not handling a statesman your dealing with a mob boss.

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posted July 27, 2022 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I have some doubts with some of your predictions.

The ones that do come true, I'm sure you'll make sure we will be hearing all about it!!!...lol.

For the ones that aren't true are you will willing to admit you were wrong?

I have doubts about the EU bowing back to Russia.

The EU knows that Putin wants a divided EU.

Just an observation your username is "Bismark2" I gather your from Germany.

Out of all the EU nations the Germans are known for being soft when it comes to dealing with Russian and Putin.

I take that perspective comes into play with your interpretation. I can assure you the Poles don't want anything to do with Russia.

So I can't see all the EU nations universally wanting to bow back to Russia.

Definitely Germany because Angela Merkel sold Germany out to Russia...the other EU countries might be a different story.

In fact there set to become the largest ground army in Europe just because they don't trust Russia.

Onto the Ukraine front, it's become a stalemate if anything the conflict will drag on for years without any true victor.

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- I'm hispanic, not German.

- The EU won't bow down to Russia, because it will eventually dissolve within the next 5 years. I said European countries will beg Russia for help, not the EU.

- Your predictions contradict eachother. The EU can not afford to both fund its own army while funding the Ukrainian one. In fact, the EU can't even afford to fund its own army.

- No, Russia is winning in Ukraine. Ukraine has already lost at least 2/3rds of its army(about 75k). Russia has lost less than 10k. The conflict will not last for years. In fact, it probably won't last the next couple of weeks. The fact that the conjunction of mars/uranus/NN will be opposing Ukraine's pluto further proves this.

posted July 27, 2022 11:58 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Boy,
You've been hitting the mainstream media koolaid hard. Lol good luck with all that.

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Lol..your so out to lunch!!

As soon as I saw your name..I rolled my eyes.

I was going to pull up your old threads as evidence of your ongoing issues with social norms...but that's not the point.. not trying to put you down or anything.

It's just that some things require a different perspective on things.

Not everyone sees the world the way you do.

If you see everything as a nail, you'll try to fix everything with a hammer!!

This is good amusement for me anyway!! after spending 12hrs coding.

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
So you're honestly sitting here saying that Finland is actively trying to get invaded and praising that as a good move? You're literally insane lol. Ukraine is losing the war and will ultimately have to give up way more territory than Russia originally wanted. This isn't about good vs bad or anything like that. It's the morally bankrupt Western leadership using Ukraine as a weapon to get back at Russia. They don't care how many people die or suffer in the process. They are using and abusing Ukraine like they did Iraq, Syria, Libya etc. You better drop your little fantasies of Poland and Finland defeating Russia in battle. You will lose badly if you go down that road just like Ukraine is losing right now.

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Your only seeing things from your perspective and not from Putin's perspective.

He's a calculated gambler. If you make it obvious that the price is too high he won't take that risk.

Finland is pretty much confidently saying try us, the costs are too high.

This is something not mentioned in mainstream news and whatever you listen too.

When Putin sent an armored column to Kiev
Putin was banking on Zelensky fleeing and then he could instill a new puppet government.

There have been plenty of bloodless government coups were the head of state fled and the next person takes power without firing a shot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coups_and_coup_attempts#2010%E2%80%932019

That was his gamble, and that's based on logic.

If you ask mainstream news they'll say Putin was trying to capture Kyiv and failed. If you ask whatever crap your listening to they'll say the Russians were just fainting.

Ukraine will only lose the war if we stop sending them weapons.

This is now a grinding war of attrition.

It's either the Russians run out of Weapons and men first, then China and Iran decide not to get involve to support them.

Or the West decides to stop sending weapons.

If you look at the latest battle maps http://liveuamap.com/

There hasn't been any progress since June on either side, that suggests a stalemate.
The Russians have consolidated Donetsk, Luhansk and the Crimea.

That's also logic not mainstream news.

posted July 27, 2022 11:58 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Poland is about to be Ukraine 2.0 from the looks of it.

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No, I don't think so. Poland will be too busy dealing with Ukrainian refugees. Russia will most likely deal with the Polish economically, rather than militarily.

posted July 28, 2022 12:07 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
1. You have to be very strong minded or you'll easily be manipulated by Russian propaganda.

Dmitry Peskov is an excellent example, everytime he opens his mouth you can tell he's lying through his teeth.

The claimed destroyed Himars was debunked as untrue.

The Russians used trucks in an attempt to pass them off as destroyed Himars... if you look closely the vehicles don't match the profile
of a Himars..there's no distinct launcher box at the back of the vehicle, there flatbed trucks.

http://www.archyde.com/from-the-air-russia-publishes-a-video -of-the-destruction-of-himars-with-precision-missiles/

That plus the same week they claimed to destroy the HIMARS they also claimed HIMARS
damaged the Kherson bridge? One lie cancels the other.

2. The Russians don't have the same logistical support integrated in there armed forces the same way the US army does.

The Russians still depend on Rail and lack the supply trucks getting whats needed to the front.

Historically supply problems have always slowed multiple armies from advancing.

Supply problems slowed the Western Allies in WW II after D-DAY/Normandy and It slowed the Battle of N. Africa.

3. The Russians have suffered casualties too..

Putin covers this fact by having ethnic Russians not from Russia doing the bulk of the fighting.

Every Ethnic Russian male from Donestk or Luhansk is forced into the local militia to continue the fight for Russia.

The Donetsk people's Republic has officially admitted they lost 55% of there combat forces.

Unless Putin admits this is a war and not a 'special operation" you won't see mass conscription in Russia.

This is the only way you'll see Russia be able to use its complete fighting strength in Ukraine, otherwise Putin will always be short of soldiers.

4. Russian tactics are dependent on a slow siege warfare approach with heavy Artillery.

The NLaws & Javelins have already shown how inflective the Russian Battalion Tactical Groups (BTGs) are for being so Armored Heavy and lacking infantry support.

The NLaws and Javelins have wrecked havoc on the BTGs.

So the Russians are resulting to siege tactics similar to Syria, it's a slow an effective way of gaining ground.

The Ukrainians can trade land for time.
Not to mention by the time you capture the territory it becomes useless.

5. Don't doubt the Himars. The Himars take under 5min to reload and are gone in the same time.

There excellent shoot and scoot weapons. The Russians have more powerful weapons like the Tornado-S..but it's slower to reload and not accurate.

It will take 4 Tornado-S to hit the same target as 1 Himars.

It's accuracy and speed of getting out that matters more then the destructive power.

6. The Ukraine's could push back the Russians if the Germans didn't block the flow of more weapons and Biden wasn't afraid to send more powerful weapons.

The Russians have no equal to the atacms fired by the Himars, but it wasn't sent.

So yes the Ukrainians are out gunned but that's because there's too many controls preventing what they need.

But they already have a 1:1 Army size against the Russians. As an attacker you'll need at least a 2:1 Army size unless your army has the rapid shock & awe capabilities of the US army.

The Russians lack this there army stuck in the past, this is why there resulting back to siege warfare with Artillery.

What you'll see now is the Russians being unable to advance further beyond the ground they've already captured (Dombas region).

It's the Ukrainians that will be trying to go on the offensive to retake Kherson..that this will fail with massive casualties.

This is why I said it's a stalemate that will go on for years...

Zelensky will not accept the Dombas being occupied by the Russians and the Russians will continue to try to either replace Zelensky or take the entire Ukraine.

Neither Zelensky or the Russians will achieve these goals and there not going to give up trying any time soon.

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"The NLaws and Javelins have wrecked havoc on the BTGs."

Don't know where you're getting your info, but this simply is not true. NLaws/Javelins have been completely useless in this conflict. I'm sure the rest of your info is just as questionable.

posted July 28, 2022 12:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
No, I don't think so. Poland will be too busy dealing with Ukrainian refugees. Russia will most likely deal with the Polish economically, rather than militarily.

If Poland fails to play its cards right, it could be surrounded on all sides by enemies.

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The biggest risk is Kaliningrad and the Suwałki Gap which Russia owns.

Instantly Poland can get cut off if the Russians attack invade here...but Vladyslava Luchenko, the Belarus PM can't keep a secret and would revel any plans anyway.

posted July 28, 2022 12:21 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
The biggest risk is Kaliningrad and the Suwałki Gap which Russia owns.

Instantly Poland can get cut off if the Russians attack invade here...but Vladyslava Luchenko, the Belarus PM can't keep a secret and would revel any plans anyway.

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Again, Russia doesn't have to deal with Poland militarily. They can easily just cut of their gas/oil/wheat/etc.

posted July 28, 2022 12:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
"The NLaws and Javelins have wrecked havoc on the BTGs."

Don't know where you're getting your info, but this simply is not true. NLaws/Javelins have been completely useless in this conflict. I'm sure the rest of your info is just as questionable.

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Lol,
I gather you assume that a standard T-72 is better protected then any Leopard 2, Challenger II or Abrams tank being fielded by NATO.

I guess you don't believe that a T-72 is more vulnerable because of the poor ammo storage compared to more modern tanks.

You don't have to be a genius to figure out that storing the ammunition were the crew is...isn't a good idea. All modern Western Tanks have the ammo separate from the crew to improve survivability.

A Russian BTG formation is made up of approx. 800 soldiers.

It has 10 T-72s and 70 BTRs. All of the BTGs strength is based on the 10 T-72s, just disabling 4 T-72's and the BTG has already
lost it's combat power.

The remaining 300-400 infantry isn't sufficient to flush out the Ukrainians.

http://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/getting -know-russian-battalion-tactical-group

This is why the smallest unit the US army would deploy independently would be a Marine Littoral Regiment (MLR) with 2000 soldiers.
http://www.marines.mil/News/News-Display/Article/2708146/marine-littoral-regiment-mlr/

A BTG is just too small of a unit and can be easily rendered combat ineffective.

Everything else is pretty much just your opinion!!

Time will prove who is correct!!. If your wrong admit it and if i'm wrong I will admit it? Fair??

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
Again, Russia doesn't have to deal with Poland militarily. They can easily just cut of their gas/oil/wheat/etc.

Think for a second. If Russia really was afraid of the EU, why are they still sending them resources?

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Your not wrong!!
Another reason for this war is for Russia to monopolize where EU sources it's resources.

After Russia, Ukraine whould be the next country in Europe with Natural Gas that could rival Russia.

Most of it is in the Dombas Region and Black sea which Russian now controls.

Even then if Russia is unable to send gas through Nordstream 1 & 2 the other main pipeline is through Ukraine.

So seizing a potential NATO or EU candidate country now before it could rival Russia
and whould be even friendlier to the West whould be a gamble worth taking for Putin to take now.

The next source whould be Africa.. Nigeria has Natural gas as well as many other African countries.

But China has already gained a foothold in many of these nations plus they haven't forgiven Europe because of colonization and the infrastructure is still poor.

So Why isn't Putin afraid simple?...
Thermonuclear option!!! If starving Europe isn't enough then the nuclear option is the last straw.

He can easily nuke every NATO country before they can retaliate. No nation on Earth can match Russia's Nuclear capabilities.

1 Satan II nuclear missile can easily destroy the entire UK in one attack.

Both the US & UK admit failing to keep up and are trying to seed up quickly to catch up.

This goes back to my initial point as soon as Europe or any country shows any weakness or dependency, Putin will exploit it.

You have to start strong and end strong to deter Putin.

Angela Merkel allowed Europe to get to comfortable.

posted July 28, 2022 01:35 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
Your not wrong!!
Another reason for this war is for Russia to monopolize where EU sources it's resources.

After Russia, Ukraine whould be the next country in Europe with Natural Gas that could rival Russia.

Most of it is in the Dombas Region and Black sea which Russian now controls.

Even then if Russia is unable to send gas through Nordstream 1 & 2 the other main pipeline is through Ukraine.

So seizing a potential NATO or EU candidate country now before it could rival Russia
and whould be even friendlier to the West whould be a gamble worth taking for Putin to take now.

The next source whould be Africa.. Nigeria has Natural gas as well as many other African countries.

But China has already gained a foothold in many of these nations plus they haven't forgiven Europe because of colonization and the infrastructure is still poor.

So Why isn't Putin afraid simple?...
Thermonuclear option!!! If starving Europe isn't enough then the nuclear option is the last straw.

He can easily nuke every NATO country before they can retaliate. No nation on Earth can match Russia's Nuclear capabilities.

1 Satan II nuclear missile can easily destroy the entire UK in one attack.

Both the US & UK admit failing to keep up and are trying to seed up quickly to catch up.

This goes back to my initial point as soon as Europe or any country shows any weakness or dependency, Putin will exploit it.

You have to start strong and end strong to deter Putin.

Angela Merkel allowed Europe to get to comfortable.

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No, the reason Russia isn't afraid is because they can easily defeat Finland, Poland, and the entire EU army without nukes.

posted July 28, 2022 02:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
No, the reason Russia isn't afraid is because they can easily defeat Finland, Poland, and the entire EU army without nukes.

I'll gladly admit I'm wrong, if and when that becomes obvious.

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It's debatable..

Yes...

1) Russia can defeat NATO or EU if the EU and NATO stays divided. Doubtful how effective NATO Article 5 is and how much support other NATO members would actually provide.

No...

1) If NATO and EU remains united they outnumber Russia.

Many nations are boosting up there military,
Germany is trying to rebuild it's army and of course Poland is too.

The catch is staying united...Putin as a calculated gambler knows how difficult it is to keep a collation together.

Fall 2022 - Summer 2023 will be the real test.

posted July 28, 2022 02:24 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
It's debatable..

Yes...

1) Russia can defeat NATO or EU if the EU and NATO stays divided. Doubtful how effective NATO Article 5 is and how much support other NATO members would actually provide.

No...

1) If NATO and EU remains united they outnumber Russia.

Many nations are boosting up there military,
Germany is trying to rebuild it's army and of course Poland is too.

The catch is staying united...Putin as a calculated gambler knows how difficult it is to keep a collation together.

Fall 2022 - Summer 2023 will be the real test.

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posted July 28, 2022 02:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Bismarck2:
It's not a matter of unity. It's a matter of economics. The EU economy is crashing.

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The Americans will come up with some finance plan to sell weapons to Europe and build up there armies even with a failing economy.

As per the quote:

The purpose of nato was "keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down," Lord Ismay, First General Secretary of nato.

You could replace Germany with now Europe, and Soviet Union with Russia in the quote.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/declassified_137930.htm

Anyway when you say collation it isn't restricted to military only. It can be any group joined together for any reason.

No argument here!!

Making sure that every EU member has there wants and needs addressed is a difficult task.

If they feel unheard they will pull out.

You can't expect Greece to have the same economic output as France and vice versa.

This is also one of the criticisms of the EU when it was formed, expecting every member state to have the same economic output...that's almost impossible.

This is how the unity will break!!

posted July 28, 2022 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
The Americans will come up with some finance plan to sell weapons to Europe and build up there armies even with a failing economy.

As per the quote:

The purpose of nato was "keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down," Lord Ismay, First General Secretary of nato.

You could replace Germany with now Europe, and Soviet Union with Russia in the quote.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/declassified_137930.htm

Anyway when you say collation it isn't restricted to military only. It can be any group joined together for any reason.

No argument here!!

Making sure that every EU member has there wants and needs addressed is a difficult task.

If they feel unheard they will pull out.

You can't expect Greece to have the same economic output as France and vice versa.

This is also one of the criticisms of the EU when it was formed, expecting every member state to have the same economic output...that's almost impossible.

This is how the unity will break!!

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posted July 31, 2022 04:43 PM            

Vucic, PM of Serbia is saying that Kosovo plans on invading Serbia at midnight. Ukrainian MP's are egging them on, calling Serbia a Russian puppet.