posted December 12, 2022 03:47 AM            

But why should the self be undone? This specifically for those who have Sun in mutables during this transit and those who have cardinal Suns for the next?

Speaking for myself, I think it's maybe because I have successfully held up defences and maintained an independent nature from others. Seeing that as an achievement.

In the process however, I have managed to unintentionally alienate that part of me which is vulnerable and wants/chooses to expose its delicate nature to others to promote better bonding. Hence my relationships not lasting or me having a consistent feeling of being detached from them somehow.

As such(much like steak is beaten with a fist/hammer in order to tenderize it) I am being beaten by Neptune transits in order to become more "tenderized" as a person.

In the process of this "undoing", the result is often the crumbling of all resistance that was once holding structures of who I am (Sun) up to others.

These structures were not authentic because I forgot that i am also a soul, not just the mind and body. So there is a pervasive need to acknowledge and weave this part of my very tender self into my outwardly projected personality more.

This means no more Mr."Tough guy" or "The one who has it all together and doesn't need much from others" etc. Mr Independent was based on a falsehood of being estranged from others when in actuality, the denied self longed to merge more deeply and ABSOLUTELY with others.

As such there is tiredness that neither sleep nor rest can undo. It's not a normal tiredness but one that speaks of something deep within that is coming undone because of being held up for so long

* Tired of pretending.When one feels like one has been constantly wearing a mask around others & suppressing undesirable traits on one hand, whilst expressing more "acceptable" ones in social relations on the other.

This means crying in private. Never in public. And always being the mature one who is expected to act reasonably etc.

*Lacking motivation to do things related to " keeping up fences". A drifting away from actions that continue the myth of a decisive and assertive personality who is "strong" and "resilient".

*A feeling of "losing control". And this could manifest as emotions coming up in moments where one finds them grossly "inappropriate" . Or a forgetfulness and absent-mindedness present on things that you do to maintain "control"or "keep up appearances" to others.

*An increasing need to "merge" with others.This could be the search for a "soul mate" or a need to have relations that go deeper than the surface level. One may desire to experience a profound understanding of self through bonds.

*Moods that are on the surface. An increasing sensitivity to people around you because your boundaries are disintegrating. So one may pick up on energy more easily and become irritable at times. Whilst in other moments bawling their eyes out like a child.

One can be described as "moody" and this is part of the process of getting the self to project a full spectrum of the self on to the world. Including the more vulnerable self that can be labelled as "crazy" or "delusional".

I have Sun/Nep in Sag conj in my 9th house. As much as the Neptune conj has taught me to detach from religious fervor and related dogmatic belief systems etc. I feel like this transit has made it clear that I was still caught up on expressing the above of my personality from a more detached, intellectual view(Sag).

The square has encouraged me to get in the waters. Not Just assess them from the side. And practice this empathy in real time interactions in not only accepting others as multifaceted, vulnerable beings who are doing the best they can. But also see this in myself and not be so afraid to show or judge my own "inappropriate" emotions I.e. to cry, to reach out, to apologize and to be the receptive one etc.

Neptune is about receptivity. And as it moves to a closer aspect with my Sun, what could occur is me learning to be more receptive in relationships. In other words, not trying to be the man "on top" or obsess about which one of the two of us in a partnership is in "control" etc.

But to stop the fight to overpower or overthrow and find power and control that I so fiercely wanted and believed i could get by exerting it on others etc. by submitting to myself, accepting my own fears and weaknesses (instead of trying to "overcome" them by being "strong") and love who I really am. Even the "weak parts.

It's not an easy feat. So in the process to authentically achieve this, the misguided "Me" that I have been showing others will not only have to fall apart within me. But also infront of others. That is the "self" undoing.

posted December 12, 2022 07:05 PM            

However, I must take exception to the 'being beaten' metaphor here with Neptune. This reveals more how you feel about yourself and the effects to your ego than anything about Neptune as a planetary energy. But after that, you hit upon the more profound realizations that are to be had with Neptune. It is like the sensitivity of a spoken truthful word feeling harsh when there was no ill feeling or harshness behind it.

Dealing with vulnerability, as you have done here, and seeing how essential it is to being fully human and fully authentic is I think one of the best ways of approaching the ego issues -- by looking away from ego itself and embracing that initial discomfort to our (often obstructive) defenses of not being on guard all the time as we let others (and Spirit) close.

Neptune is a cleanser of ego. Those who don't understand this (either astrologically or otherwise psychologically) will have the most trouble with its harder aspects. When the self is conflated with the ego you really get into the worst trouble. That's not what it sounds like, so I'll have to explain.

Those with shaky egos -- or poor self-esteem -- have the worst trouble with Neptune transits. The difficult issues with ego come with those of us who use it to over-compensate for holes in our self-esteem. Those with the least reliance on this ego compensation can have the greatest insights, spiritual experiences, and transcendence under Neptune's influence.

Neptune is the great ocean in which identities matter less and consciousness (and matter) merge and oneness can be felt again. Think of it as the higher octave of Venus -- for the mind/spirit (rather than merely the body).

Gems/crystals are the best tools I have found for dealing with difficult Neptune influences and transit periods.
- Sodalite when there is a perpetual vague anxiety and worry.
- Aquamarine to regain courage and calm for sensitive people.
- Amethyst when there is escapism into substance use/abuse, etc.
- Kunzite when the sense of spirituality has been lost to responsibility and so-called 'reality.'
- Others like Aqua Auara quartz and Rose Aura quartz could be helpful.

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posted December 12, 2022 09:48 PM            

I've always been drawn to the gem Kunzite. That so pastel pink and purple at the same time. Peak romantic!! I really wanted this shade for my matron of honor, but not very in tend at David's bridal.

posted December 12, 2022 10:53 PM            

I am also thinking about letting go and being more venerable in my next relationship/s. My Scorpio stellilum is so over hyper vigilant in being crossed. I see how this has been harmful in relationships.

"* Tired of pretending.When one feels like one has been constantly wearing a mask around others & suppressing undesirable traits on one hand, whilst expressing more "acceptable" ones in social relations on the other."

"*An increasing need to "merge" with others.This could be the search for a "soul mate" or a need to have relations that go deeper than the surface level. One may desire to experience a profound understanding of self through bonds."

"*Moods that are on the surface. An increasing sensitivity to people around you because your boundaries are disintegrating. So one may pick up on energy more easily and become irritable at times. Whilst in other moments bawling their eyes out like a child."

"One can be described as "moody" and this is part of the process of getting the self to project a full spectrum of the self on to the world. Including the more vulnerable self that can be labelled as "crazy" or "delusional"."

I can so relate to all of these. And alone time is very important to me for these reasons. A photo on FB made me chuckle last week. It was art of a biker chick and it said "My alone time is for other people's safety."
I have seen how much it can destroy my sanity if I don't feel a deep connection in a relationship.

Venus Pisces

Ruling planet Mercury Taurus house 12. I had a good conversation with a cleaning lady at the hospital. She was so sweet and kind. She told me that being alone makes her anxious. She loves her family deeply and she told me how hard it was for her to not spend as much time with her family. How she has stayed in her first marriage too long because she didn't want to be alone. I told her why I like being alone. When I am alone, no one tells me what to do, I really do not like people telling me what to do ever. I am way more stubborn that I look. And yeah I don't really have the bawls most of the time to be like "Did I ask you?" "It's really none of your business" "Get a life" LOL But Uranus conjunct my Mercury transit on and off over the years has my Mercury Bull-beeotch speaking up more. I think this comes with age too, like I need to speak of more for my survival, sanity and health. And if somebody doesn't like that, there is the door for either me or the other person hopefully. I get amusement how Mercury Taurus has played out for me. I am so stubborn that I need my alone time, so I am not the bull-beeotch in the China shop, when over stimulated by pushy people. If somebody doesn't get out of my face they are going to know what I really think about them...and I try to avoid that. Taurus like to be sturdy...but when they lose it, they really lose it!

posted December 13, 2022 12:49 AM            

Neptune Capricorn h8

sextiles Scorpio Pluto/moon h6
trine Mercury h12
conjunct st rx Uranus h8

I think this the only planet in my chart that is all positive/neutral in my chart.

I am so thankful...because bad Neptune transits can really rock my world!
I am very sensitive when it goes retrograde. When it went retrograde the day of my wedding rehearsal my sister in law was so downright rude to me....I was so p!ssed off. Just the audacity that someone that she can't put her issues with me aside for something so big...and basically take a huge crap on it. But Uranus conjunct Mercury transit had me vow to not play her games anymore I think. And that really felt like a thumbs up to be like "I'll give you am actual reason to not like me now." Funny how we are like an enemy ying yang. She's the Scorpio Sun Aries Moon Mercury Scorpio. And I'm the Aries Sun Scorpio Moon Mercury Taurus. Since her moon is in Aries her aggression is more in the moment with her intense jealously passion sun. Aries moon is the "fuq around." I hear sometimes that Aries Sun's like to let people think they are dumb and use it to their advantage. But the Scorpio Moon is the deepest part of my being. The Pluto energy is the "find out"
My happy Aries Sun Scorpio moon spook will look her straight in the eyes with a smirk on my face as I get under her skin when I let her think I didn't have it in me for so long.

I gave her you 5 years to get her act together as I walk on eggshells to her being triggered by me having any sort of positive attention from anyone she loves. You are a grown woman, who can't get over yourself, and I'm sorry your mom psychologically abused you. But there are other people out there with the same problem and they are some of the most empathetic people ever! One of my best friends was horribly emotionally abused by her mom. Like "red makes you look fat" she has never been fat. BTW. My mom has emotionally abusive moments too. More into being really annoying and repeating her suggestions/ideas I'm not interested in... and then when I tell her I've had enough, she gaslights me.

After typing here I think I am always going to describe Mars/Pluto and Aries Scorpio synastry as "fuq around, and find out!"

Anywho with Neptune rx in summer-winter 2021. My husband was rude on a date a week after our marriage. It rocked my world so much. I cried and cussed him out so bad, and just cried for hours the next day too.

Then my finally condo with the walk in closet and washing machine gets infested with cockroaches. Having the land lord be deceptive about getting an exterminator.

My husband saying the wrong with thing on a daily basis just about.

Hitting the substances harder, or experiencing being "dry" at a time when I really don't want to be.

But then also seeing my darkest wildest fantasies come true as an outlet during this time. Which will also make me question my entire life direction, which is necessary for shadow work going forward in the future.

posted December 13, 2022 01:55 AM            

Some of this stuff I seriouly need to take to the grave. But I know it's not going to happen because of my 12th house being so active for a while. (OMG ERIS is on the verge of entering my 12th house too! and will be there the rest of my life. ahhh it's just going to get crazier.) Neptune is in my 11th house for a good while and I am finding friends I can confide in. Plus I have blabber mouth Gemini rising, Leo is my 3rd house.

posted December 13, 2022 02:35 AM            

I think Neptune rx transits can be super nightmare felled if you are not on the right path. Like how is this actually even my life? How come other people I know don't have these level of tests? What did I do to deserve this!? I can't make this stuff up! The nightmare beat down will have me go okay fine I'll actually go after what I really want OR what I am resisting doing that I don't want to do to get out of my comfort zone. Because if I am comfortable why would I want to change anything? 12th Taurus influence? But omg the constant pattern of "why do I wait for things to get so bad to want to get out of my comfort zone? I am seriously hopping that after this cosmic arse whooping that I improve with this! I kind of think so.

I don't think all of my Neptune rx transits will be this bad as they have been in the last years. I mean I can't always be on the wrong path so bad to this extreme. Because life is a cycle. Though of course there will be things to tweak...I don't think it will have to be/feel so larger than life like it has been over these few years.

posted December 13, 2022 06:07 AM            

However, I must take exception to the 'being beaten' metaphor here with Neptune. This reveals more how you feel about yourself and the effects to your ego than anything about Neptune as a planetary energy. But after that, you hit upon the more profound realizations that are to be had with Neptune. It is like the sensitivity of a spoken truthful word feeling harsh when there was no ill feeling or harshness behind it.

Dealing with vulnerability, as you have done here, and seeing how essential it is to being fully human and fully authentic is I think one of the best ways of approaching the ego issues -- by looking away from ego itself and embracing that initial discomfort to our (often obstructive) defenses of not being on guard all the time as we let others (and Spirit) close.

Indeed. Very true. There is still attachment to the ego self that is made up of experiences of the past.The Moon/Mars square which is used to thinking that any kind of rattling of its set walls is asking for a "fight", sends a wave of resistance. And I think that that is where the pain is borne from. It can echoe in the body as feeling like a child lost and afraid. Angry and full of hurt.

The resistance of the Mars/Moon mantra is "this is MY pain","these are MY issues", " you don't know how much I have been through" and "I have every right to feel like this because of how wounded I have been thus far" etc.

So whilst Mars/Moon has served me to defend against an early childhood with a threatening environment i.e. a tense
and often intimidating Father etc. It also subconsciously ingrained a defense to keep BOTH the ominous and opportune of life outside.

So it matters not how gentle the demolition of this persona is, i have been so "strong" for so long and so deeply attached to these psychological wounds I carry with me, that I wince at even a mild breeze shaking the walls.

It's appropriate I suppose, because the additional transit of Chiron in Aries in house 1 of self opposes and contra-parallels retrograde to my natal Mars Lib (Asc ruler) would make one feel the palpable " wounded" (Chiron) "self"(Aries) etc.

But we must soldier on. Lots of crying has been happening . This for the child I was and the man I became. Its not all bad. I think I am releasing long held resentment as to how painful parts of my childhood were. And how they affected my response to life now.❤🙏🏿

posted December 13, 2022 07:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:
Thanks for sharing your getting in TUNE with NepTUNE journey Aries23Degrees.

I am also thinking about letting go and being more venerable in my next relationship/s. My Scorpio stellilum is so over hyper vigilant in being crossed. I see how this has been harmful in relationships.

"* Tired of pretending.When one feels like one has been constantly wearing a mask around others & suppressing undesirable traits on one hand, whilst expressing more "acceptable" ones in social relations on the other."

"*An increasing need to "merge" with others.This could be the search for a "soul mate" or a need to have relations that go deeper than the surface level. One may desire to experience a profound understanding of self through bonds."

"*Moods that are on the surface. An increasing sensitivity to people around you because your boundaries are disintegrating. So one may pick up on energy more easily and become irritable at times. Whilst in other moments bawling their eyes out like a child."

"One can be described as "moody" and this is part of the process of getting the self to project a full spectrum of the self on to the world. Including the more vulnerable self that can be labelled as "crazy" or "delusional"."

I can so relate to all of these. And alone time is very important to me for these reasons. A photo on FB made me chuckle last week. It was art of a biker chick and it said "My alone time is for other people's safety."
I have seen how much it can destroy my sanity if I don't feel a deep connection in a relationship.

Venus Pisces

Ruling planet Mercury Taurus house 12. I had a good conversation with a cleaning lady at the hospital. She was so sweet and kind. She told me that being alone makes her anxious. She loves her family deeply and she told me how hard it was for her to not spend as much time with her family. How she has stayed in her first marriage too long because she didn't want to be alone. I told her why I like being alone. When I am alone, no one tells me what to do, I really do not like people telling me what to do ever. I am way more stubborn that I look. And yeah I don't really have the bawls most of the time to be like "Did I ask you?" "It's really none of your business" "Get a life" LOL But Uranus conjunct my Mercury transit on and off over the years has my Mercury Bull-beeotch speaking up more. I think this comes with age too, like I need to speak of more for my survival, sanity and health. And if somebody doesn't like that, there is the door for either me or the other person hopefully. I get amusement how Mercury Taurus has played out for me. I am so stubborn that I need my alone time, so I am not the bull-beeotch in the China shop, when over stimulated by pushy people. If somebody doesn't get out of my face they are going to know what I really think about them...and I try to avoid that. Taurus like to be sturdy...but when they lose it, they really lose it!

Neptune st rx in the 8th house.

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posted December 13, 2022 07:15 AM            

Neptune on Moon/Venus I can imagine, would raise questions on who is loyal and trustworthy within your circle of friends or intimate circle of acquaintances. This similar to Pluto.

I can see how one can be accused of stuff they didnt do or lies being spread about them etc. as Neptune can be very difficult to define. And therefore "dodgy" to most people.

It's interesting that I have Sun-Nep conj and most people think me "innocent" on one hand(like my Gemini ex still does). Whilst on the other hand,others think me "shifty".

posted December 13, 2022 04:50 PM            

Conjunct NN
Trine Sun
Opposite Mars
Square Mercury
Biquitile Moon

And my moon is in Pisces.

Neptune for me personally has been a savior, I always feel, think and act like a better individual when I am expressing my Neptune. I am also a lot more productive when channeling my Neptune (my Neptune sits in my 6th). I find myself having a lot of respect for the Neptune in my chart, perhaps because it is in the sign of Capricorn, and I view it as a very tolerant teacher, as well as an angel-like entity that comes to my rescue when things aren't going so well in my life.

Ironically, my Neptune brings me mental focus and clarity.

I got into astrology and a whole new world of self-discovery opened up to me, when the transit of Pluto to my natal Neptune was finalized.

I have experienced a long transit of Neptune square my Sun for several years. But looking back, those were some of the best years of my life, and almost two decades later I am still experiencing the manifestations I made during those years.

Neptune-Jupiter midpoint in my chart has also given me a lot of inner balance and strength to deal with hardships.

posted December 13, 2022 10:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@Kannon McAfee

[b]However, I must take exception to the 'being beaten' metaphor here with Neptune. This reveals more how you feel about yourself and the effects to your ego than anything about Neptune as a planetary energy. But after that, you hit upon the more profound realizations that are to be had with Neptune. It is like the sensitivity of a spoken truthful word feeling harsh when there was no ill feeling or harshness behind it.

Dealing with vulnerability, as you have done here, and seeing how essential it is to being fully human and fully authentic is I think one of the best ways of approaching the ego issues -- by looking away from ego itself and embracing that initial discomfort to our (often obstructive) defenses of not being on guard all the time as we let others (and Spirit) close.

Indeed. Very true. There is still attachment to the ego self that is made up of experiences of the past.The Moon/Mars square which is used to thinking that any kind of rattling of its set walls is asking for a "fight", sends a wave of resistance. And I think that that is where the pain is borne from. It can echoe in the body as feeling like a child lost and afraid. Angry and full of hurt.

The resistance of the Mars/Moon mantra is "this is MY pain","these are MY issues", " you don't know how much I have been through" and "I have every right to feel like this because of how wounded I have been thus far" etc.

So whilst Mars/Moon has served me to defend against an early childhood with a threatening environment i.e. a tense
and often intimidating Father etc. It also subconsciously ingrained a defense to keep BOTH the ominous and opportune of life outside.

So it matters not how gentle the demolition of this persona is, i have been so "strong" for so long and so deeply attached to these psychological wounds I carry with me, that I wince at even a mild breeze shaking the walls.

It's appropriate I suppose, because the additional transit of Chiron in Aries in house 1 of self opp and contra-parallel retrograde to my natal Mars Lib (Asc ruler) would make one feel the palpable " wounded" (Chiron) "self"(Aries) etc.

But we must soldier on. Lots of crying has been happening . This for the child I was and the man I became. Its not all bad. I think I am releasing long held resentment as to how painful parts of my childhood were. And how they affected my response to life now.❤🙏🏿

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No way, I have moon square mars too.

I love my parents, but because of how they handled a situation in the past...I think a small part of me feels like they are unfit to have my best interests at hand. But I really do appreciate them.

posted December 13, 2022 10:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Sometimes people need you to be rude and dismissive in order to butt out. I get that. I have Mercury/Mars square. So I tend to be quite snappy when annoyed by invasive questions. Like why do you want to know such personal stuff about someone else's life?🤷🏿‍♂️

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That actually sounds like a blessing in disguise.

I have the opposite problem most of the time. Because I have Mercury sextile my Venus Pisces. I try to tell people what they want to hear. I will tolerate draining/antagonistic people well longer than I should because of that.
It can feel like a curse, when I want people to shut up.

Oh gee! I also have Mercury trine Neptune h8. This can kind of can make me flirt with communicating. And that can also get me in trouble.

posted December 13, 2022 11:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@Stawr. I think the posts are in keeping with Neptune's "floodgates" effect. There are So many angles that one can tackle the effects of the Neptune transit.

But the recurring theme I get is the "loss" part i.e. loss of defences, loss of long held inhibitions or even boundaries, loss of direction ( at times) and yes, loss of thought thread or chain of thought etc..that you just go on and realize 3 pages on that you don't know what you've said OR have said far too much 🤣

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Thanks for letting me flood the place!

I'm glad you mentioned the loss stuff because I did realize that I need to divorce my husband during the last retrograde.

I also told my family that they are "dead to me" during the rx period. But smoothed things over when it went stationary direct. I have felt completely defenseless with my health...while also fighting the fight also being in bad health and driving 11 hours alone to leave husband. Talking back to people, putting the mean nurse in her place "I'm sorry you don't get paid enough to do your job" then reported her a few days ago.

Fellow moon square mars friend, being angry can get a bad rap. But I seriously think it's a survival skill a lot of the times. Being kicked when down, really makes me angry. Putting down someone in bad health...has me seeing red. I was so physically weak, but my mouth is motor.

Lots of loss of direction too with who I can talk to about divorce of who I can talk to about it right now. Can I really get alimony from my divorce since he had me quit my job? How do I make in this world with out needing to rely on a man or a family member or room mates? AND HAVE GOOD HEALTH INSURANCE????

posted December 14, 2022 12:44 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
Neptune is all over my chart:

Conjunct NN
Trine Sun
Opposite Mars
Square Mercury
Biquitile Moon

And my moon is in Pisces.

Neptune for me personally has been a savior, I always feel, think and act like a better individual when I am expressing my Neptune. I am also a lot more productive when channeling my Neptune (my Neptune sits in my 6th). I find myself having a lot of respect for the Neptune in my chart, perhaps because it is in the sign of Capricorn, and I view it as a very tolerant teacher, as well as an angel-like entity that comes to my rescue when things aren't going so well in my life.

Ironically, my Neptune brings me mental focus and clarity.

I got into astrology and a whole new world of self-discovery opened up to me, when the transit of Pluto to my natal Neptune was finalized.

I have experienced a long transit of Neptune square my Sun for several years. But looking back, those were some of the best years of my life, and almost two decades later I am still experiencing the manifestations I made during those years.

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Wow. Me thinks perhaps it's been more natural for you to let go of that part of you that wants to remain in "control" or know the outcome? Maybe its been easier for you to trust that all will work out for you and there is nothìng wrong/amiss with showing a more gentle or vulnerable side to your personality? Etc.

You do have Moon in Pisces and in my experience, this Moon tends to feel a lot safer when trusting the "Universe" or some higher/divine force to intuitively inspire them towards a certain course that others may find puzzling and "not understand".

Because Pisces is not relying on logic but emotions to get them to their destination. And so inspiration is often emotionally felt and clarity sought outside the parameters of intellectual evaluations etc.

Sag Moon is similar. But with Sag, it's like they only "trust" the process based off of them agreeing and somehow "leading" how things unfold.

The fiery nature of wanting to go ahead and continually anticipate or "prophesy" how the current will take them , takes them over and they may get more entangled in intellectual or philosophical discernment of trying to figure out what's happening (and maintain some a level of "control" and safety there), then surrender and "let" things happen like Pisces.

posted December 14, 2022 01:06 AM            

I try to make sense of Neptune for long time and getting some insights occasionally. It transits my 5th like forever.
I go through finding and losing faith in different things.
With tr. Neptune, I’ve been getting more into esotericism and struggling to keep interest in material world what is concerning.
Many synchronicities, repeating circles, small weirdness - I gave up to make sense of them already. Some of them seem like jokes of universe, sometimes pretty mean.

posted December 14, 2022 01:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:
No way, I have moon square mars too. Oh yes I have a temper that is pretty contained most of the time. But my family knows I have one...I was actually pretty easy going until I got my hormones.

I love my parents, but because of how they handled a situation in the past...I think a small part of them will always be dead to me. But I really do appreciate them.

I think this year might be the most I've ever cried in my entire life.

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Oh yes, Moon/Mars and angry outburst. True. My temper is also contained and then (ironically) I become as tense as the atmosphere I grew up living in. So it's like I have ingrained that childhood angry atmosphere within me and expressing it in the exact same way that I felt it 🤷🏿‍♂️.

When you say " It started affecting me when I too my hormones " , what do you mean?

Hormonal effects are affiliated with Neptune. I thought it was Pluto tbh. But an Astrologer made a compelling case that since hormones affect the cerebral fluid (fluids are ruled by Neptune) they are under the domain of Neptune because they end up affecting ones behaviour both in a physical and psychological way.

Cerebral fluid OR Cerebrospinal fluid is a clear, colorless, watery fluid that flows in and around your brain and spinal cord.

Your brain and spinal cord make up your central nervous system. It controls and coordinates everything you do, including your ability to move, breathe, see think, and more.

posted December 14, 2022 01:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:
That actually sounds like a blessing in disguise.

I have the opposite problem most of the time. Because I have Mercury sextile my Venus Pisces. I try to tell people what they want to hear. I will tolerate draining/antagonistic people well longer than I should because of that.
It can feel like a curse, when I want people to shut up.

Oh gee! I also have Mercury trine Neptune h8. This can kind of can make me flirt with communicating. And that can also get me in trouble.

Uranus h8 trine Mercury can help me eventually be tough. With the right people no conversation is too taboo.

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posted December 14, 2022 01:49 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Stawr:
Thanks for letting me flood the place!

I'm glad you mentioned the loss stuff because I did realize that I need to divorce my husband during the last retrograde.

I also told my family that they are "dead to me" during the rx period. But smoothed things over when it went stationary direct. I have felt completely defenseless with my health...while also fighting the fight also being in bad health and driving 11 hours alone to leave husband. Talking back to people, putting the mean nurse in her place "I'm sorry you don't get paid enough to do your job" then reported her a few days ago.

Fellow moon square mars friend, being angry can get a bad rap. But I seriously think it's a survival skill a lot of the times. Being kicked when down, really makes me angry. Putting down someone in bad health...has me seeing red. I was so physically weak, but my mouth is motor.

Lots of loss of direction too with who I can talk to about divorce of who I can talk to about it right now. Can I really get alimony from my divorce since he had me quit my job? How do I make in this world with out needing to rely on a man or a family member or room mates? AND HAVE GOOD HEALTH INSURANCE????

I think Neptune went rx over the summer. Plus Uranus in the 12th house opposing my Scorpio stuff and Saturn squaring it...I feel like a closeted insane person, and still do.

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It can feel like you are going insane. It really can. But it will be alright. It will be❤.

There are days where I feel like I should be locked up somewhere. But then they pass. Look to the transit of the moon. To me it's always when Moon is in cardinal signs Aries,Can,Cap,Lib that I feel the intensity of feelings. I think there is a general connection between the energies of Moon and Neptune somehow. It's like the Moon allows Neptune to flourish.Or visa versa.

In such instances of this mashing up, one can't discern one's own thoughts from the vibrational energy they picked up elsewhere from others.

With the "loss of boundaries is the confusion and unintentional "eavesdropping" into other people's feelings and thoughts. Including media opinions and sentiments-which are seldom ever positive.

That is why selective company is so important right now.And sometimes even outright isolation. This because one can be so sensitized to so much, it can be overwhelming and "maddening".

My attraction to water has increased. Either hearing water running or seeing an ocean in pictures or on YouTube. It's been raining a couple of days here where I stay. And so I wonder if the purpose of rain(outside the fauna and flora need for it) also serves as a spiritual absorption of atmospheric negative energy?

posted December 14, 2022 02:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Thanks Aries23 and Kannon. Food for thoughts, I’ll finish to read and think about it later.

I try to make sense of Neptune for long time and getting some insights occasionally. It transits my 5th like forever.
I go through finding and losing faith in different things.
With tr. Neptune, I’ve been getting more into esotericism and struggling to keep interest in material world what is concerning.
Many synchronicities, repeating circles, small weirdness - I gave up to make sense of them already. Some of them seem like jokes of universe, sometimes pretty mean.

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I read a saying once that goes that when going through hell,keep on going.😶

Neptune in 5th house can tear down boundaries related to the inner child (5th). And the subsequent spiritual healing or cleansing that one can get from regressing to a child-like state of wonder and amusement.

Sometimes this can mean merging with ones own children and amusing oneself through bonding with them. Once again not seeing boundaries between you and them.

Others may attract a mate that sparks their inner child(either the individual is younger in age) and encourages them to "play" and not be so serious. Thus enabling them to be more "child-like" and engage in things that others of a similar age would not etc.

Neptune in 5th can also(to put it simply) have one enjoy the simplest of pleasures in life and indulging in those for hours just like a baby laughs at bubbles being popped or their mother pulling faces etc.

Some may(admittedly) be drawn to drugs and similar recreational "sports" (5th) because they too provide some sort of "blending"(Nep) with the collective and enable a childlike wonder to take over whilst in that psychedelic space.

Look back at your childhood- because Neptune in 5th transit is not by coincidence. Everything in life has timing because your soul incarnated purposely for you to be born with the relevant house cusps to be exactly where they are.

Was your childhood a time where you were not able to have a proper childhood like other children? Maybe you had to assume responsibilities at a young age? Or didn't play as much as the other kids because you had to be the "mature" one? Or else being child-like was not seen as something desirable in the household and so it lead to repressing some of your childlike tendecies? etc.

When we are children,we make mistakes. We learn through playing and life is but a playground for us to navigate through and learn via social interactions and games etc. If you even look at children in war torn countries who are relocated to refugee camps etc. They find time to play-this despite the bombs/guns going off around them.

So this goes to show that the 5th house impulse of wanting to amuse oneself cannot be interrupted or bypassed. But it can (in many instances) be postponed, shamed or not allowed to live to its full expression in some way(Chiron in 5th can have a similar effect too).

So when Neptune transits the 5th, the walls come down. I had a lady once write on another Astrology site how she once felt "silly" having sex and making those sounds. She had Sat in square aspect to Mars in 5th house.

And so the inhibited nature of Saturn in 8th and accompanying square of Mars in 5th not only limited her ability to have fun and let loose(5th) . But it also invariably affected her ability to get close to another person in an intimate way(8th). Because who is going to want to get intimate with someone who thinks that intimacy/sex is "silly"?

So when Nep hit her Mars in house 5 and she found herself accessing orgasms and pleasures that both pleased her on one hand . But frightened her usually inhibited nature on the other. What was she to do when she couldn't help but be turned on on a regular basis?

So the resistance of the Satu/Mars square was relaxed by this transit. And she found herself in the throes of Neptune in 5th where she felt(in her own words) "like a child experiencing the wonders of sex for the 1st time".