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PlutoWasHere
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posted June 24, 2023 09:20 AM
  
According to the latest news, there is an armed rebellion going in Russia. The mercenary organization Wagner has turned against it's employer. There were reports about tension between Wagner chief Prigozhin and Russian politicians before, but things seem to have escalated big time right now. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-24-23/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/06/24/world/russia-ukraine-news The birth charts of:
Putin
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Putin,_Vladimir
Prigozhin
https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Yevgeny_Prigozhin
The Russian Federation
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/countries/russia.php Even though we can't be sure of the birth times of Putin and Prigozhin, there is clearly an alignment with Leo energy here. Personally, I wouldn't find a Scorpio Rising with Leo MC conjunct Pluto very unsurprising for Putin. Russian Federation ASC 21Leo, Pluto 21Scorpio, Venus 22Scorpio
Putin MC 21Leo, Pluto 22Leo, north node 19Aquarius, Jupiter 19Taurus, Venus 12Scorpio
Prigozhin Uranus 22Leo, Mars 14Leo These are all points that are part of the Venus Retrograde in Leo cycle through hard aspects. With both Venus (16Leo) and Mars (20Leo) currently in Leo, love has gone sour and we're the witness of a dramatic break up. Mars is still applying in aspect to Putin's Pluto and Prigozhin's Uranus, so I suspect this isn't over yet. Monday and Tuesday will probably cause a peak in Martian energies for the main players in this drama. After that we'll have a long season of Venus transits. Venus isn't just love and beauty, it rules tastes and distastes. The 7th house is also known as the house of the open enemy. Edit: I almost forgot, but we shouldn't underestimate transit Uranus 21Taurus either. Uranus still is the planet of rebellion. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted June 24, 2023 01:49 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142 They’re saying he’s agreed to stop advancing on Moscow, to avoid spilling Russian blood. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted June 24, 2023 01:52 PM
Apparently, a deal has been made and Wagner has stopped it’s March to Moscow. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-24-23/index.html But the transits aren’t over yet and think it’s highly unlikely that we aren’t going to see more drama. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted June 24, 2023 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142 They’re saying he’s agreed to stop advancing on Moscow, to avoid spilling Russian blood.
I didn’t see your post before I posted my own. 😁 I don’t think it’s over yet. Too much going on in the transits. It seems too karmic to just fizzle out like that. I think both Putin and Prigozhin are preparing a back up plan. They’ll clash again. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted June 24, 2023 02:01 PM
Wagner said he is a patriot.IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted June 24, 2023 02:08 PM
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Wagner said he is a patriot.
He’s a war criminal, too. He’s apparently worse than Putin, in some ways. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted June 24, 2023 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
I didn’t see your post before I posted my own. 😁I don’t think it’s over yet. Too much going on in the transits. It seems too karmic to just fizzle out like that. I think both Putin and Prigozhin are preparing a back up plan. They’ll clash again.
It didn’t show me the four responses the forum said were there, until I refreshed.  I agree, it’s weird that he just stopped. Putin said this was an attempted coup, and now they’re just supposed to go back to the way things were? IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted June 24, 2023 02:24 PM
Around July 3 Venus will hit 21Leo. Other than Uranus at 21Taurus, there are no other inflammatory placements. However, around the New Moon July 18, Sun and Moon at 25Cancer square Prigozhin’s Aries Venus, Virgo Mars is conjunct his Pluto and the north node just entered Aries. And the ruling planet of Virgo, Mercury is at 12Leo, applying conjunct his Mars. He’s likely going to be very aggressive but strategic during this period. Putin has a Libra stellium and south node moves into Libra. While the Sun and Moon are squaring his Mercury, Saturn and Neptune conjunction. His paranoia will likely reach new heights. In combination with transit Virgo Mars square his Gemini Moon, he might be extremely emotionally reactive and fearful of losing control. On August 11, there’s a Sun and Venus conjunction around 20Leo and late Gemini Moon squaring Virgo Mars squaring Putin’s Sagittarius Mars. And on September 26 we have Venus on 20Leo opposite Aquarius Moon on Putin’s north node. And Libra Mars and south node are conjunct his Libra stellium. I suspect that Putin’s political career might end this summer. Lots of nodal transit action for him. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted June 24, 2023 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Wagner said he is a patriot.
This might be a reason for him to oust the current regime if he believes they are harmful for Russia’s long term interests. Being a patriot doesn’t mean unwavering loyalty to Putin. It is likely he wants to minimize casualties. I don’t believe Prigozhin would have done what he did if he didn’t have any back up from powerful people. He’s not crazy. There are opposing factions and people will be forced to choose who they’ll align with over the next couple of weeks. Putin has a Libra stellium with Gemini Moon, he’s probably very good at networking and has tea on everyone. However, South node is moving into Libra and Mars is moving into Virgo. He might not get the support he needs. IP: Logged |
Librapurr
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posted June 24, 2023 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
This might be a reason for him to oust the current regime if he believes they are harmful for Russia’s long term interests. Being a patriot doesn’t mean unwavering loyalty to Putin. It is likely he wants to minimize casualties.I don’t believe Prigozhin would have done what he did if he didn’t have any back up from powerful people. He’s not crazy. There are opposing factions and people will be forced to choose who they’ll align with over the next couple of weeks. Putin has a Libra stellium with Gemini Moon, he’s probably very good at networking and has tea on everyone. However, South node is moving into Libra and Mars is moving into Virgo. He might not get the support he needs.
To go that publicly against government is big. Current Russia doesn’t give an opportunity for the opposition expression. It’s a first sign to Russian people the government is not that almighty.IP: Logged |
Librapurr
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posted June 24, 2023 03:10 PM
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PlutoWasHere
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posted June 24, 2023 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Librapurr:
To go that publicly against government is big. Current Russia doesn’t give an opportunity for the opposition expression. It’s a first sign to Russian people the government is not that almighty.
Yes, Prigozhin has publicly gone against those in power several times. First through media and now this display. There’s going to be a nasty struggle for power behind the scenes. A lot of it, we’ll probably never know, but it’s a crucial time. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted June 24, 2023 05:34 PM
Never mind. I'm just being cranky, I should be in a better mood before I post.IP: Logged |
Librapurr
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posted June 24, 2023 06:06 PM
That’s a shame my answer isn’t valid than…IP: Logged |
Librapurr
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posted June 24, 2023 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
Yes, Prigozhin has publicly gone against those in power several times. First through media and now this display. There’s going to be a nasty struggle for power behind the scenes. A lot of it, we’ll probably never know, but it’s a crucial time.
I don’t know what Prigozhin said before. But I cannot believe a person in opposition to power in Russia could have access to so much resources. Something isn’t right… IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted June 24, 2023 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I don’t know what Prigozhin said before. But I cannot believe a person in opposition to power in Russia could have access to so much resources. Something isn’t right…
He wasn’t always in opposition. The disappointment with the results of the Russian army caused tension with Wagner. There’s a competition for power between Wagner mercenaries and the traditional Russian army. These tensions are at the root of the current problems. Wagner has been used by a lot of shady people before. Dodgy regimes and companies used them as their private army. They received a lot of funding and became more and more powerful. Recently, Prigozhin had rumored political ambitions. https://www.newsweek.com/putin-siloviki-kremlin-strongmen-warn-prigozhin-political-ambitions-wagner-group-1801107?amp=1 IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted June 24, 2023 07:53 PM
The Russian army fired on them prior to this “rebellion.”IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted June 24, 2023 07:56 PM
Wagner is moving to Belarus and will face no charges.IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted June 25, 2023 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by Randall:
Wagner is moving to Belarus and will face no charges.
Birth chart Loekashenko
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Lukashenko,_Alexander
Not a lot going on in Leo except his Pluto at 25Leo, but his Sun at 7Virgo (conjunct Prigozhin’s Pluto and square Putin’s Gemini Moon) will also be impacted by transit Mars during this Venus retrograde cycle. And he has his Moon in Libra, so he will likely feel the impact of north node shifting into Aries too. I don’t think there’s a happily ever after, given what happened. Either Prigozhin will have an “accident”, which would look really bad for Loekashenko and damage the relationship with Russia, or Putin is going to become more and more paranoid and push his supporters away from him and eventually will escalate into another confrontation. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted June 25, 2023 10:04 AM
It feels very karmic to me that the nodes are shifting in Aries-Libra axis during the Venus retrograde cycle. Venus rules the south node and Mars rules the north node. Venus is challenged during this period because it’s retrograde but Mars in Virgo will also be challenged because it’s opposite Saturn retrograde. It feels heavy and makes me a bit uneasy.Anyone have any insights on the shifts in signs of the nodes that’s going to happen? Kannon? Edit: https://www.nylon.com/life/aries-libra-nodes-eclipses-2023-2025-explained IP: Logged |
Librapurr
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posted June 25, 2023 03:40 PM
We already survived through Scorpio nodes with Mars RX and Scorpio eclipse.
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Librapurr
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posted June 25, 2023 03:53 PM
It seems Prigozhin is a very powerful guy with his influence goes beyond Russia and Putin. He has private army what is acting in different countries and continents. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted June 26, 2023 04:11 AM
Russian newspaper Kommersant says Wagner Group's chief Prigozhin is still under investigation for rebellion, despite the Kremlin previously saying charges would be dropped. http://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1673233932299677696 IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted June 26, 2023 09:54 AM
Prigozhin is currently “missing” and his prison recruited soldiers are angry he made a deal with Moscow putting them in a dangerous position. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12234033/Stark-analysis-Wagner-chief-Prigozhins-future-mutiny-charges-NOT-dropped.html IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted June 28, 2023 05:16 PM
Russian general Sergey Surovikin has been arrested on suspicion of involvement in the mutiny.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/28/russian- general-arrested-following-wagner-mutiny-mt-russian-a81685#google_vignette Sergey Surovikin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Surovikin Born 11 October 1966 in Novosibirsk in the USSR. He has some overlap in his birt chart with the other main players in this drama. Mars 29Leo, North node 17Taurus
and he has his Moon somewhere between 29Leo to 13Virgo. So it seems like Prigozhin does have supporters in high places and Putin is aware of this. This can go two ways. Either Putin succesfully eliminates the people that were involved and he is supported for an extended period afterwards, or he loses his cool, sees enemies everywhere and even his supporters will fear for their lives, making another coup even more likely. All of this will also correlate to any success or disappointment in the Ukraine.
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