posted April 10, 2024 01:42 PM            

I feel I should consider it given its timing. I am sure this is a volunteer thing as these type of things are a way to contribute to the community and are not paid roles.

I like the clinical side of what I do, I have never been into the administrative part of it but I would just be a board member, its a way to be a part of a group of people who discuss things about the field etc...and I suppose it will push my comfort zone with group dynamics etc..I am doing group supervision once a month to obtain a second license as an addiction counselor and am doing trainings every month for the same reason and this is putting me in group situations a lot and I notice I am feeling more and more comfortable in them, I mean I still have lots of room for growth with this but I am noticing growth for sure which is nice to see a difference in my comfort level shifting.

Let me create an event chart for the time email was sent. April 9th at 9:16am.

Some interesting observations:

**The AC of the event chart was in Gemini conjuncting by about 6 degrees my natal northnode and just under 3 degrees my progressed northnode.

**Event chart has a huge stellium in the 11th house with two planets falling in the 10th, 2 in the 12th and the moon right in the 12th cusp opposing exact my natal Saturn (interesting).

**Transit VENUS was right on my IC.

**Transit SUN conjunct CHIRON was on my PHOLUS/BLESS/SERENDIP stellium in the 4th.

**the MC was in Aquarius at 19 degrees with my venus conjunct mars and vertex falling in the 4th and conjuncting the IC from the 4th, putting anti vertex on the 10th conjuncting the MC. Transit uranus conjunct jupiter were squaring the event's MC/IC from the 12th while it squares my venus conjunct mars (venus rules my MC).

**Event chart has transit northnode in the 11th and southnode in the 5th, southnode in the 5th can represent my private practice and northnode in the 11th is joining this group of board members which is an unknown territory, unfamiliar but an opportunity for growth and perhaps build community since I work for myself.

**transit mercury in aries rx trine and sextile my AC/DC angle.

**Transit Mars conjunct Saturn conjunct my Opportunity exact

**Transit Opportunity square my Venus conjunct mars (Venus rules my 5th and MC)

**Transit Bless conjunct my Pluto in the 10th and pluto rules my 11th house and conjuncts saturn.

posted April 11, 2024 04:29 AM            

That is somethimg that I also fond difficult to fathom. How do souls clump together and decide that taking advantage of another in that way is collectively their "best" action? What are they thinking?🙆🏿‍♂️

I think of any kinds of victimizations as 12th house related. And then the wanting to take one's power back by awakening the warrior within , as 1st house.

When one is sensitive to such crimes or feels rage in terms of the people involved, that is the 12th. It is being empathetic and feeling the will of another being subjugated or bullied by the unlawful assertions of others.

When energy is in the 12th house, it tends to lose its voice or be very receptive to people taking advantage of its timid/subdued state. Intoxication, naivety, not seeing things clearly, misplaced trust etc. Are all things that belong to the 12th house.

The lady in question is starting to remember what happened to her. I suspect that there could be some progressions to house 1 or something touching the Asc (consciousness). And the next phase will be rage and wanting retribution(7th).

posted April 11, 2024 04:49 AM            

There are things about Aries that I love, Aries can feel very comfortable being single and being autonomous and can enjoy the single lifestyle and doing their own thing and this energy in this context is very empowering but Aries energy can also get easily irritated which leads to this anger and reactive energy that you have to work at keeping in check so it doesn't lead to being rude or lashing out or to being destructive of the self or relationships in worst case scenarios. I like that Aries energy often results in people benefiting from increased energy and gives people courage to go for things instead of staying stuck in over thinking but it can also lead to insomnia or giving up too easily because of impulsivity, like I said I am starting to understand the cons of this energy more in depth.

Yes. Totally my experience too. It took me some time to acknowledge my Aries Asc and how it plays out. I started to understand Aries more in depth once I learned about transits.

No doubt, Aries is about anger or (at the very least) intense emotions. And seeing that my Mars is in Libra, I thought that that would make it "less"? Not so.

What Libra Mars,Cancer Mars and Taurus Mars do is compound the anger and make one uncomfortable with it. The anger is still there. But one doesn't know how to let if out without feeling "judged" or ridicules for being so "sensitive".

If Mars aspects the Sun/Moon/Asc by close degree aspect -whether the conj, opp, square or even trine/sextile, I find that one has to deal with issues of anger very regularly.

It matters little whether Mars is in a "detrimental" or "fall" position. They feel anger coming FROM them or AT them most times.

I had a very angry dream last night where I was shouting at a celebrity. When I woke up, it had me fearing that my anger was getting out of control. That it is even manifesting in my dreams 🙆🏿‍♂️

I also went for an eye test a week ago and started a trial run on contact lenses. When I had my first try at putting them on, I got so frustrated because it was just so hard to get them to attach to my eye ball.

I recall getting so angry that I wanted to dump the whole set in the bin and default to wearing spectacles full time.

But after I calmed down(which took some time) I recalled that I was putting them on whilst Moon/Merc/Sun/Node/Chiron and Ven were all in my Aries 1st house. It was the day of the eclipse, so ofcourse I would get frustrated easily and throw in the towel.

The 1st house is about the image. The Sun is about sight. The transit of the Sun exactly conjunct my Asc degree seems potent.These contacts are definitely going to shift me from being known as the "glasses" guy. That's new.

posted April 11, 2024 05:36 AM            

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I saw a Cyrus family story what was quite shocking. Looks like transit nodes in Taurus and Aries pretty screwed them as they all have something on those axises.

The mother Tish is Taurus with Cancer married her daughter’s ex. Daughters are Aqua and Scorpio moon. It seems like Capricorn daughter with Aqua moon always had problem with her mom and sided with her dad. Scorpio moon took mother side. So mother ended up marrying Aqua moon ex and made their rs even worse.
Looks like a story gets more and more messy. And Noah and Miley might have conflict with each other.

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Damne! That's messy.😢

Marrying your daughter's ex? Wowza. But from what I read online, there was no connection between Noah and Dominic. Those were just rumours.

Anywho, Tish has Moon in Cancer with no time given(true). That Moon aspects Saturn by square (regardless of time) and that would make her a Mom that wasn't necessarily the warmest( atleast not by typical Cancer Moon standards).

Saturn also squares her Cancer Venus. Love tends to come later in life for Sat-Ven people. She isn't the first person with Sat-Ven I have heard of with a marriage later in life.

Her marriage to Billy was not a success. And she says that she would have left but stayed for Noah(who ironicallly is now estranged from her).

Of the marriage to Aqua/Pisc cusp Dom, she says that she never expected to get a 2nd chance at love. She thought her time was over(Sat-Ven people often do). So this was a lovely surprise for her.

Dom has Cancer Moon too. Connections between same sign Moon signs can accelerate very quickly because of that "instant" trust and familiarity with each other.She said they made out for hours after their 1st physical 1 on 1 meeting.

Add to this,Dom has Sun/Ven conjunct (out of sign) in Pisces. Very romantic person who believes in "happily ever after".

This is uncharacteristic of Aqua(whom is typically known as "aloof").But this is not so when Ven is in Pisces. This especially when it conjuncts(parrallels) the Sun.

Dominic is a romantic. But this belief doesn't come from unrealistic longings. Dom has Venus Pis/ Jup Sco trine . Both are in sextile and opposition aspect with Saturn respectively. A realistic optimist.

I will reiterate that I find it deeply ironic that Tish says that she stayed for Noah. Noah has Moon/Sat square, Moon/Ura-Nep conj , suggesting that the home life and relationship with Mom was far from stable.

Perhaps cosmically she could sense that Mom was estranged from Dad and thus could not supply her with a warm home environment?

With that Chiron/Venus/Plu triple conjunction in Sag, there is a lot to unpack in terms of what Noah thinks of "love". Much of it demonstrated by the parents because they are the 1st point of contact in terms of looking for examples.

Through them, what she possibly learned was that love (Ven) destoys (Plu) & hurts(Chi). Her attraction will be towards partners that echo this sentiment I.e. attracting relationships that swing her from self love to hate and back to love again. Or atleast finding her self esteem after it has long been dismantled and trampled on by those who said they "loved" her.

I also see a comparison of beauty /femininity between her and her sisters. Something about feeling " less" or being "the ugly one" etc. Which would make her want to be extreme in proving herself in other ways.

Venus is important to a woman because it highlights her feelings about her desirability and potential in attracting that which she wants. It also governs her relations with same-sex people.

Mars is important to a man because it highlights his feelings about his ability to assert his manhood and "get" what he wants. Mars governs men's relationship with other men.

If either are afflicted in the chart( depending on gender) one can go to extremes in being seen as "desirable" (female). They could compete with other females a lot of find themselves easily threatened by them.

With men, the afflicted Mars could have them be obsessed with being "dominant" or feeling "dominated" by other males. They may get into physical scuffles and and disagreements with other males or be easily triggered by them.

The sense of brotherly camaraderie will not be there- as other males will be automatically seen as "competition"(this regardless of setting).

In both,there is often a feeling of innate inadequacy in terms of relating to themselves (without heavy judgement about what they are "not").

posted April 11, 2024 06:05 AM            

Looking back,its likely that I had a sexual attraction towards that individual. But didn't know it.🤔

Because dreams are really about us and not the other person. My feeling is that perhaps I wanted them to assert their feelings on to me so that I could feel more confident about pursing them?

In the dream, as they kissed me. I responded.I didn't feel threatened and unsafe. I felt desire. And that hasnt happened in while. Am I getting my groove back?😎

Sun in Ari is trine my natal Jup(ruler of the 12th house and 9th).It is still opposing my natal Mars and arcing to conj Juno in Aries (also in house 1).

Transiting Mars is in the middle of natal Sat/Ven by trine. Sat/Ven would highlight the latent (Sat) feelings (Ven). I dont like the fact that I only get intense feelings "after the fact".

posted April 11, 2024 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Damne! That's messy.😢

Marrying your daughter's ex? Wowza. But from what I read online, there was no connection between Noah and Dominic. Those were just rumours.

Anywho, Tish has Moon in Cancer with no time given(true). That Moon aspects Saturn by square (regardless of time) and that would make her a Mom that wasn't necessarily the warmest( atleast not by typical Cancer Moon standards).

Saturn also squares her Cancer Venus. Love tends to come later in life for Sat-Ven people. She isn't the first person with Sat-Ven I have heard of with a marriage later in life.

Her marriage to Billy was not a success. And she says that she would have left but stayed for Noah(who ironicallly is now estranged from her).

Of the marriage to Aqua/Pisc cusp Dom, she says that she never expected to get a 2nd chance at love. She thought her time was over(Sat-Ven people often do). So this was a lovely surprise for her.

Dom has Cancer Moon too. Connections between same sign Moon signs can accelerate very quickly because of that "instant" trust and familiarity with each other.She said they made out for hours after their 1st physical 1 on 1 meeting.

Add to this,Dom has Sun/Ven conjunct (out of sign) in Pisces. Very romantic person who believes in "happily ever after".

This is uncharacteristic of Aqua(whom is typically known as "aloof").But this is not so when Ven is in Pisces. This especially when it conjuncts(parrallels) the Sun.

Dominic is a romantic. But this belief doesn't come from unrealistic longings. Dom has Venus Pis/ Jup Sco trine . Both are in sextile and opposition aspect with Saturn respectively. A realistic optimist.

I will reiterate that I find it deeply ironic that Tish says that she stayed for Noah. Noah has Moon/Sat square, Moon/Ura-Nep conj , suggesting that the home life and relationship with Mom was far from stable.

Perhaps cosmically she could sense that Mom was estranged from Dad and thus could not supply her with a warm home environment?

With that Chiron/Venus/Plu triple conjunction in Sag, there is a lot to unpack in terms of what Noah thinks of "love". Much of it demonstrated by the parents because they are the 1st point of contact in terms of looking for examples.

Through them, what she possibly learned was that love (Ven) destoys (Plu) & hurts(Chi). Her attraction will be towards partners that echo this sentiment I.e. attracting relationships that swing her from self love to hate and back to love again. Or atleast finding her self esteem after it has long been dismantled and trampled on by those who said they "loved" her.

I also see a comparison of beauty /femininity between her and her sisters. Something about feeling " less" or being "the ugly one" etc. Which would make her want to be extreme in proving herself in other ways.

Venus is important to a woman because it highlights her feelings about her desirability and potential in attracting that which she wants. It also governs her relations with same-sex people.

Mars is important to a man because it highlights his feelings about his ability to assert his manhood and "get" what he wants. Mars governs men's relationship with other men.

If either are afflicted in the chart( depending on gender) one can go to extremes in being seen as "desirable" (female). They could compete with other females a lot of find themselves easily threatened by them.

With men, the afflicted Mars could have them be obsessed with being "dominant" or feeling "dominated" by other males. They may get into physical scuffles and and disagreements with other males or be easily triggered by them.

The sense of brotherly camaraderie will not be there- as other males will be automatically seen as "competition"(this regardless of setting).

In both,there is often a feeling of innate inadequacy in terms of relating to themselves (without heavy judgement about what they are "not").

Self love must be nurtured internally. But it is usually done only after one has endured painful experiences externally (especially when Chiron is involved).

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There’s a lot of dirt online so I don’t claim what is the truth. Many sources what I’ve seen claim there was at least a hookup between Dom and Noah. Whatever happened - Noah wasn’t at Tish and Dom wedding.

I could see Noah is sticking by her dad side as Capricorn/Saturn is associated with father and traditional. Also, liking older men.
And as you said she doesn’t see Tish as warm mother.
People are saying Tish and Miley have very similar personalities and look. When I look at Noah I see big similarities with Billy Ray.
I thought it might be rivalry as mother clearly paid more attention to Miley as being her manager.
However, I see Noah is her own person. Her songs are pretty popular on YouTube.And she comes across more Billy Elish like. She seems more like authentic indie artist, the opposite of Miley. I think Uranus/ Aqua gives her confidence to be different and embrace Saturn style look with hint of goth and grunge aesthetic. There’re pictures where she looks happy and more like Miley, but apparently it’s not the look she goes for.
So you think Dom and Tish - made for each other?
I read Tish said her problem with Dominic is that he is blunt and It offends her sometimes. What sounds like his Aqua with Jupiter and Aries and her Cancer placements. But I see her more as Gemini moon.
Also, Dominic has Venus sq. Neptune. With it being in Pisces with his Aqua, he might be in his own world where it’s ok to go with mother of your ex… ( allegedly) Or have very different attraction.

posted April 11, 2024 12:44 PM            

She says he is "harsh"? Hmmmm.... well he has Moon in Can square Mars in Ari. He can be abrupt. And then there is that wide opposition with Ura in Lib from Mars( touchy and irritable) which makes the Moon his "leg" in the T- square.

I am surprised that he committed. That Moon(with these aspects) is super defensive. It's not going to be a peaceful domestic tension. Some of it(granted) sexual.

On my end, I wondered why I found him So sexy on "Prison Break" ? 🤔. He was "the Hunk " in that series to me. His Mars is in my 1st house.

I am interested in seeing how Noah's career goes.Miley is all over the place. I don't know what she is doing most times with her career.

posted April 11, 2024 03:05 PM            

I know part of me is just missing my sister, and the way things used to be.

I saw posts last weekend, of sisters who adore each other. An actress on a video that popped up, where they were answering questions to see if they really knew each other. One girl said to another, "I can't remember your sister's name, but I know that you couldn't live without her." The other one said, "I was thinking I couldn't live without coffee, but you're right! I couldn't live without Sawyer."

posted April 12, 2024 02:21 PM            

Its not Mercury in Aries rx that is causing the issues with technology is uranus conjunct jupiter imo..

-There was an outage with a bunch of platforms the slowed down processing insurance claims and being able to verify insurances quickly and this impacted I believe mainly February and March.

-There was a power outage last weekend and people did not have electricity for half a day up to a few days depending on the area and the strong winds I think made it hard for this to be addressed in a timely manner.

-webpass google is impacting web loading for the entire state of Colorado today, they are not sure if is a network issue or hardware issue but is making it so you can't really use the internet bc web pages are taking forever to load.

posted April 12, 2024 06:18 PM            

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Maybe not 'made for each other' per se. But with that Moon-Moon, there is usually a quick connection.

She says he is "harsh"? Hmmmm.... well he has Moon in Can square Mars in Ari. He can be abrupt. And then there is that wide opposition with Ura in Lib from Mars( touchy and irritable) which makes the Moon his "leg" in the T- square.

I am surprised that he committed. That Moon(with these aspects) is super defensive. It's not going to be a peaceful domestic tension. Some of it(granted) sexual.

On my end, I wondered why I found him So sexy on "Prison Break" ? 🤔. He was "the Hunk " in that series to me. His Mars is in my 1st house.

I am interested in seeing how Noah's career goes.Miley is all over the place. I don't know what she is doing most times with her career.

But she knows how to pull publicity to her. And her voice is actually quite good. I just wish she would be more focused on developing her artistry than being media "entertainment"

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Prison Break had the hot male cast. Even bad guys were at least charismatic. I wonder how Miller fooled everyone by being a straight sex symbol. That Venus opp. Jupiter and Gemini stellium. I think many was shocked when he came out of closet. I started with him and noticed Dominic later.
Yeah, he is the hunk. I can see how both of women being in a very different age range would be attracted to him. However, nobody wants it to be true because it’s such a bad look for everyone involved.

posted April 13, 2024 03:16 AM            

and with that, I need to try to get my head together, get rid of this anxiety, and try to sleep before tomorrow. I have to get up and get my ID done, because they won't be open on Sunday. I'm sooo not in the mood for my birthday, I'm not ready for it, and my dad admits that he's depressed, too, but damn it, I need to try to enjoy it.

I have to decide if I'm making a regular, smaller cheesecake, or one that's lemon-flavoured. I still need to get the lemon curd, and some sour cream (the latter, for both of them). I also need to finish this bloody library book, and dad will be working tomorrow, if they have work for him, so once he picks me up, I think I'll be with him for the rest of today.

I shouldn't have gone to target tonight, but I needed to replace tops that were bleached, and I needed air. I was so out of it, though, and anxious. Dad doesn't like to drive after dark anymore.

posted April 13, 2024 03:52 AM            

I knew Miller was likely gay and in the closet. I just knew it. My gaydar went off in his interviews.

He was always careful and selective with words. And the way he projected himself out during press interactions, was very calculated/deliberate.Not at all freely spontaneous.And that to me often suggests unconscious concealment or (at the very least) discomfort with letting the true personality show. It's all about energy.

I wouldn't say that it is "deception" or "fooling others" per se. But if society
still believes that the ONLY gays that exist, are the peroxide blonde hair, "Beyonce" tank-top wearing types etc. It is not the fault of many others who don't fit that stereotype, that they go "unnoticed". Nor do they have an "obligation" to come out.☝🏿

Contrary to pop belief, prejudice still exists in Hollywood and very influenced and even driven by the audience. They decide on which TV or movie leads they'll watch ( not the executives).

And that is also why ALL leads tend to follow a generic formula I.e.preferably Caucasian, Straight (or straight passing), macho, muscular/handsome etc.
They need women (and gay men)to drool , men to emulate and admire that and children to want to be /look like them etc. Because they have to also sell the merchandise as extensions of the movie to the public.

So the executives need to make calculated investments on which star they will put their money on. And as long as he fits the above said model(as far as possible) they'll invest.

They make the hard decisions of excluding or rejecting others ( granted that it is most times for racist or homophobic reasons), because they fear the audience will not "take". The audience is creating those tight demographics. Not the investors.

So if you are a "straight passing", "smouldering" looks gay, you have more privileges in as far as being cast for broader roles(and likely leads) than the more flamboyant gays and straight men combined. That is not the actor's fault, its just the way it is.

You have to "Butch up" to get paid🤷🏿‍♂️. Even straight actors have to do the same because the audience has their own extreme perspective on what "masculine" is. Hence the "beefing up" for action roles.The Audience always thinks muscles =masculine 🤷🏿‍♂️

It then makes sense for actors like Miller to closely guard their sexuality and "play up" to the accepted norms. People want to get paid and have full careers.

Many don't want to be activists nor mascotts for gay liberation in biased Hollywood. They just want to build their career -even if the system is rigid and warped. They'll play by the set rules and get the "wife" or "girlfriend". Be the "sex symbol". Do what needs to be done to "pass" etc.

I suspected Luke Evans was gay. And he came out. Did you know that Brad Pitt once said that he is bi? Gerard Butler admitted to having relationships with men but was quickly silenced because he fits the "desired" male lead role.

I also strongly suspect Henry Cavill and Daniel Craig are gay too. But time will tell because they are higher up now (profile wise).But nothing remains hidden forever.☝🏿

posted April 13, 2024 04:41 AM            

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No joke the past was blatant yesterday.
- Ran into an ex I actually lived with way before I was married. Very weird as both he and another one or two I've felt pulling on me.

posted April 14, 2024 12:48 AM            

It's good karma though! It's about reaping what I sow without hurt my enemies!

I have enemies but I do wish them well! We'll just won't be friends!

To me I have been manifesting good luck lately! And I was born with a brutal chart! Maybe, me, here at age 35, is finally getting a break!

posted April 15, 2024 05:39 PM            

Besides needing to be discreet I think Miller comes across as calculating and careful as his Gemini Sun Mercury conj. Saturn. He had said he wasn’t comfortable to be a public figure and wanted to be more a screenwriter. And he became one. I still find him unique and interesting on many points. And now when googling his chart I found out he got recently diagnosed with autism.

posted April 16, 2024 06:21 AM            

Yeah, with Brad they hush it up. But he reiterated that after the Jolie split. Apparently he tends to be transparent about it to those he dates.

Miller is autistic? Didn't know that 🤔
But I guess it would make sense. He is so careful as a personality.

posted April 16, 2024 04:32 PM            

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Ha, those guys seem like a fun tandem. One is very careful and the other - I don't give a fudge 😄 Their interaction behind the camera should be pretty entertaining to see lol What does it remind me? Maybe, Trump-Pence🙃

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Some women like a***ly guys. They find it "sexy" and manly. The goody -two shoes Labrador type isn't their forte

In other news, there is an event I am awaiting for to confirm something bizarre. But likely true.

It's totally barking .But likely possible. This Saturn and Mars transit are crucial in proving or disproving it.

posted April 17, 2024 11:41 AM            

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Some women like a***ly guys. They find it "sexy" and manly. The goody -two shoes Labrador type isn't their forte

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And I noticed Aqua (especially Mercury ) could be the similar way as they talk whatever they want despite of a situation.

posted April 17, 2024 01:09 PM            

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I don’t see him that bad. But a simple guy who has a little filter and isn’t good with mental expressions and social situations.

Like in one interview he got asked about working in Canada and he went to vent how everything was wrong. Miller stared at him like omg what he was doing. You give an interview for the whole world not complaining at your mother kitchen, obviously you need to say something good.

He still can be a good guy. I like his interaction with Miller.

And I noticed Aqua (especially Mercury ) could be the similar way as they talk whatever they want despite of a situation.

The smooth-talking guys are not necessarily goody Labradors. I think more often guys who are not that good with social situations most likely to be like that.

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🤣🤣. I guess you are right. He just lacks a polished persona. The Canada complaint reminded me of another interview he did where some woman called the police on him because she thought he was an escaped convict.

The woman in question didn't see the set cameras for Prison break and he was in his prison clothes. As he told the story ,he kept on rolling his eyes and talked of how "crazy" that woman was etc. It was funny to watch 😂

That would explain why he isn't some superstar and starring in everything everywhere. I mean he is attractive enough. Not a bad actor. So he should be🤷🏿‍♂️

I think one has to be diplomatic and know how to work with people in the business of movies. Not be so critical nor come across condescending or alienating.

You must be your own PR when interacting with the public. Never give an opinion that is polarizing or could be misconstrued by a majority of people who hear it.

The actual "acting" part is secondary. You must be likeable first. Oscars are petitioned for. I didn't know this. But one has to be palatable to producers, writers and others. It's not just about sex appeal.

His fellow mates like Aqua Asc Russell Crowe , learned this the hard way. Even Asc Aqua Shia La Beouf has had a very unsteady career so far. Much is written about his eccentric behaviour on movie premieres more than the movie itself.

And thats the problem really. No movie producer wants the publicity of the actor to overshadow the film. Or for the actor to be "bigger" than the film.

All Sun/Moon/Asc Aqua placements (in my observation)seem to struggle with this for a while. This "towing the line" or "getting along with others" is a problem.

They think that the Art should speak for itself and that the public is only buying the product and that they are just vacuums.Not so.

The public doesn't separate Art from Artist.And many of them want obscurity (Henry Cavill has Moon in Aqu). They can be shy and very private people.This is the great paradox of this persona i.e a shy private person. But huge public appeal. Aqua Moon Princess Diana/Britney Spears/Marilyn Monroe are other examples of this.

The public(unfortunately for them) also wants to buy the maker of the product. And will judge the product by the relationship with the maker.

It's a very tricky aspect that they (Artist) must learn to nurture. Others get this quickly, but this is often not the case with Aqua Sun/Moon or Asc.