posted February 28, 2025 10:09 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Gene Hackman, his wife, and their dog, all found dead.

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This was very unusual. Just bizarre. Do they suspect foul play?

Gene has progressed Mars conj natal Uranus in house 1(Placidus). We just had the retroshade transit of Venus in 8 Aries conj these two placements in the 1st house of "the body".

Mars with Uranus is hot headed energy. This especially since both are in Aries. Add Venus in Aries, and we have an explosive incident.

They should look at the couple's relationship before this incident. Gene has ruler of the 2nd house (Mars) progressed to conjunct his Uranus 1st house.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was an argument involving money. Perhaps even a threat of divorce because one wanted freedom from the other?

posted February 28, 2025 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
This was very unusual. Just bizarre. Do they suspect foul play?

Gene has progressed Mars conj natal Uranus in house 1(Placidus). We just had the retroshade transit of Venus in 8 Aries conj these two placements in the 1st house of "the body".

Mars with Uranus is hot headed energy. This especially since both are in Aries. Add Venus in Aries, and we have an explosive incident.

They should look at the couple's relationship before this incident. Gene has ruler of the 2nd house (Mars) progressed to conjunct his Uranus 1st house.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was an argument involving money. Perhaps even a threat of divorce because one wanted freedom from the other?

They should talk to the family to see what was going on with them prior this incident.

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They didn't, at first. It was assumed that it was down to something like carbon monoxide. The way it was phrased, it sounded like they'd died in their sleep, because one of the dogs was with them.

Last night, I read that he seemed to have fallen fast, wherever he was. His wife was in the bathroom, on the floor, next to a heater. Pills were scattered around her. The dog that died, was in a crate. It couldn't get out. I want to cry.

Two dogs survived, because they had access to the dog door. The initial autopsy said there were no injuries, like they hadn't been murdered.

*edit. Clear of carbon monoxide poisoning. Toxicology isn't back yet.

posted March 02, 2025 08:59 AM            

My Astrology mate used to say that we must keep things as logical and practical in Astrology. Not to complicate it too much and go back to basics.

Death has to do with exiting the body. So naturally there could be conditions within the body that make it uninhabitable.

So we have to go back to indicators of the body and vitality I.e. the 1st house, planets in the 1st house , aspects to planets in the 1st house and the ruler of the 1st house (as well as the aspects to the ruler of the 1st house).

We also have to consider the 6th house of health,aspects to the 6th house ruler of health, planets in the 6th house and aspects to the planets in the 6th house.

To me,those are the only relevant things to consider.

Gene has Asc in Aqua. So Saturn and Uranus are dual rulers of the 1st house.

I find it telling to see that Uranus rules electronic devices.And Gene has to use am electric device (Pacemaker) to maintain his vitality (1st house).

Uranus in 1st is also squaring natal Saturn. This is usually a strong indicator of longevity on life. This even though Gene endured challenging early years, it wouldn't be unreasonable to conclude that with 95 years of living down his belt, he has been alive considerably longer than most people are or thought he would.

The thing that makes this suspicious to me is not the death of a 95 years old man. That can be ruled to natural causes I.e. maybe the pacemaker spontaneously stopped working on the day that transiting Venus in Aries squared Saturn (1st house ruler) and conjunct natal Uranus in 1st house of "body"?

Transiting Sun in Aqua was also conjunct natal Asc- highlighting something connected with the vitality. So to me, that wouldn't be a surprise *espcially when they are not finding anything else to conclude otherwise *.

It could have been old age because Plu had transitioned to widely conjunct his Sun Aqua (detriment). And since the Sun rules the heart, Gene already had issues with his heart . So with Plu playing around in the background and arcing to conjunct his Sun, his vitality would be under threat.

What I find suspicious is that his wife ( younger in age and not at risk of dying in the same way that he did) also died. And one of his dogs too. That's the weird part for me. It makes me cancel/rethink Gene's death(Gene's) as perhaps not "natural".

Online research is so unreliable,sources differ with information. When I found the initial information on Betsy Arakawa, it said she was born 1st December '61. Now another source says 15 December '59(Wiki). So I don't know.

With the 15Dec chart, her Saturn is conj his. So the transit of Venus Aries would have squared both their charts on the 17th of February.

When I progressed her chart, her natal Sun is conjunct her husband's (Gene) natal Asc on Aqua. So on the 17th, transiting Sun in Aqua (aside from the conjunction with Genes Asc)would also have had a conjunction to her natal progressed Sun.

Add to this, his progressed Mars would have squared her natal Saturn. And if the date is moved 1 day before (16th February) , Moon Libra would have squared both their Saturn placements AND made a lot of aspects with Gene's placements.

I have noticed that nothing is outside of Universal timing, even things that we consider to be "mysterious",are not mysterious to the Universe.All are connected.

In composite (using Betsy's 15Dec date), we get Transit Mars opp Composite Sun on the day (17th). But transiting Mars is opp Saturn, transiting Moon square Saturn and transiting Venus square composite Sun(using Betsy's 1Dec date).

So I don't know 🤷🏿‍♂️. We'll have to wait for further details on this. But foul play is definitely there. Gene has transiting Nep and Sat in 1st house (Placidus). So I think this mystery (Nep) will drag(Sat) before it's sold. If it is😶

I actually thought of poisoning. Especially since monoxide was ruled out. Maybe it was given to them because it could be untraceable after a couple of days? Cyanide?

Maybe the dogs were not meant to survive this. But all did not eat the poisoned food?

Neptune/Sat in Pis (liquids) is transiting Gene's 1st house by Placidus. So my thinking is that this will not be solved quickly. It may drag on for months.

posted March 02, 2025 09:29 AM            

It was a car incident. She died immediately when it overturned😶.

Angie (despite the reserved Tau Moon which make a her look earthy) has a stellium in Sag.

She has Sun/Merc/Ven and Mars in Sag. So she is quite a force underneath that calm exterior. This I realized when it was last year(or year before) news broke of her being arrested following a physical altercation with her daughter 😦.

Mars has a way of showing up. Either you are an athlete, an entrepreneur or a convict. It will be heard.

With Mars/Merc conj, was there speeding? Dangers tend to surface for people with Mars/Mercury in terms of the road. This even if they are not the ones speeding( or in this case even driving).

I have often observed how Mars/Merc often literally translates to road(Merc) rage (Mars) OR sudden mishaps on the road.

Transiting Moon, Merc, Saturn ,North Node and Neptune in Pisces, were interacting with that Stellium in Sag. She was in a car with others but was the only one who passed☝🏿

Universal timing doesn't miss. When it's time. It's time🤞🏿

posted March 02, 2025 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
]Angie Stone Passes on

It was a car incident. She died immediately when it overturned😶.

Angie (despite the reserved Tau Moon which make a her look earthy) has a stellium in Sag.

She has Sun/Merc/Ven and Mars in Sag. So she is quite a force underneath that calm exterior. This I realized when it was last year(or year before) news broke of her being arrested following a physical altercation with her daughter 😦.

Mars has a way of showing up. Either you are an athlete, an entrepreneur or a convict. It will be heard.

With Mars/Merc conj, was there speeding? Dangers tend to surface for people with Mars/Mercury in terms of the road. This even if they are not the ones speeding( or in this case even driving).

I have often observed how Mars/Merc often literally translates to road(Merc) rage (Mars) OR sudden mishaps on the road.

Transiting Moon, Merc, Saturn ,North Node and Neptune in Pisces, were interacting with that Stellium in Sag. She was in a car with others but was the only one who passed☝🏿

Universal timing doesn't miss. When it's time. It's time🤞🏿

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posted March 02, 2025 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
It's very strange. But I think the pacemaker could be a clue.

My Astrology mate used to say that we must keep things as logical and practical in Astrology. Not to complicate it too much and go back to basics.

Death has to do with exiting the body. So naturally there could be conditions within the body that make it uninhabitable.

So we have to go back to indicators of the body and vitality I.e. the 1st house, planets in the 1st house , aspects to planets in the 1st house and the ruler of the 1st house (as well as the aspects to the ruler of the 1st house).

We also have to consider the 6th house of health,aspects to the 6th house ruler of health, planets in the 6th house and aspects to the planets in the 6th house.

To me,those are the only relevant things to consider.

Gene has Asc in Aqua. So Saturn and Uranus are dual rulers of the 1st house.

I find it telling to see that Uranus rules electronic devices.And Gene has to use am electric device (Pacemaker) to maintain his vitality (1st house).

Uranus in 1st is also squaring natal Saturn. This is usually a strong indicator of longevity on life. This even though Gene endured challenging early years, it wouldn't be unreasonable to conclude that with 95 years of living down his belt, he has been alive considerably longer than most people are or thought he would.

The thing that makes this suspicious to me is not the death of a 95 years old man. That can be ruled to natural causes I.e. maybe the pacemaker spontaneously stopped working on the day that transiting Venus in Aries squared Saturn (1st house ruler) and conjunct natal Uranus in 1st house of "body"?

Transiting Sun in Aqua was also conjunct natal Asc- highlighting something connected with the vitality. So to me, that wouldn't be a surprise *espcially when they are not finding anything else to conclude otherwise *.

It could have been old age because Plu had transitioned to widely conjunct his Sun Aqua (detriment). And since the Sun rules the heart, Gene already had issues with his heart . So with Plu playing around in the background and arcing to conjunct his Sun, his vitality would be under threat.

What I find suspicious is that his wife ( younger in age and not at risk of dying in the same way that he did) also died. And one of his dogs too. That's the weird part for me. It makes me cancel/rethink Gene's death(Gene's) as perhaps not "natural".

Online research is so unreliable,sources differ with information. When I found the initial information on Betsy Arakawa, it said she was born 1st December '61. Now another source says 15 December '59(Wiki). So I don't know.

With the 15Dec chart, her Saturn is conj his. So the transit of Venus Aries would have squared both their charts on the 17th of February.

When I progressed her chart, her natal Sun is conjunct her husband's (Gene) natal Asc on Aqua. So on the 17th, transiting Sun in Aqua (aside from the conjunction with Genes Asc)would also have had a conjunction to her natal progressed Sun.

Add to this, his progressed Mars would have squared her natal Saturn. And if the date is moved 1 day before (16th February) , Moon Libra would have squared both their Saturn placements AND made a lot of aspects with Gene's placements.

I have noticed that nothing is outside of Universal timing, even things that we consider to be "mysterious",are not mysterious to the Universe.All are connected.

In composite (using Betsy's 15Dec date), we get Transit Mars opp Composite Sun on the day (17th). But transiting Mars is opp Saturn, transiting Moon square Saturn and transiting Venus square composite Sun(using Betsy's 1Dec date).

So I don't know 🤷🏿‍♂️. We'll have to wait for further details on this. But foul play is definitely there. Gene has transiting Nep and Sat in 1st house (Placidus). So I think this mystery (Nep) will drag(Sat) before it's sold. If it is😶

I actually thought of poisoning. Especially since monoxide was ruled out. Maybe it was given to them because it could be untraceable after a couple of days? Cyanide?

Maybe the dogs were not meant to survive this. But all did not eat the poisoned food?

Neptune/Sat in Pis (liquids) is transiting Gene's 1st house by Placidus. So my thinking is that this will not be solved quickly. It may drag on for months.

I will wait for more.I am really interested.

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I wondered if she took her own life, after she found him dead. For him to fall in one room, shows that his death was unexpected. If that were the case, though, you would think she would have let the dog out of the crate first.

posted March 02, 2025 10:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Mars has a way of showing up. Either you are an athlete, an entrepreneur or a convict. It will be heard.

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Yikes. Maybe I should take up a sport. Or I can stick to arguing certain topics.

posted March 03, 2025 12:44 AM            

Three of them streaming together IRL (out in the world, having fun), were approached by a stalker, who was nice at first, then followed them to their next location, asked for one's phone number, and when kindly rejected, he threatened to kill them right now.

Another one was robbed at gunpoint, and was able to tweet, because they wanted her to open up her phone. I guess they were going to have her access money online, or something.

posted March 03, 2025 03:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
[b]]Angie Stone Passes on

It was a car incident. She died immediately when it overturned😶.

Angie (despite the reserved Tau Moon which make a her look earthy) has a stellium in Sag.

She has Sun/Merc/Ven and Mars in Sag. So she is quite a force underneath that calm exterior. This I realized when it was last year(or year before) news broke of her being arrested following a physical altercation with her daughter 😦.

Mars has a way of showing up. Either you are an athlete, an entrepreneur or a convict. It will be heard.

With Mars/Merc conj, was there speeding? Dangers tend to surface for people with Mars/Mercury in terms of the road. This even if they are not the ones speeding( or in this case even driving).

I have often observed how Mars/Merc often literally translates to road(Merc) rage (Mars) OR sudden mishaps on the road.

Transiting Moon, Merc, Saturn ,North Node and Neptune in Pisces, were interacting with that Stellium in Sag. She was in a car with others but was the only one who passed☝🏿

Universal timing doesn't miss. When it's time. It's time🤞🏿

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I was shocked 🙆🏿‍♂️. And that alone was the highlight that either Mars/Uranus or both were involved. In this instance, it was Mars.

posted March 03, 2025 04:06 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Yikes. Maybe I should take up a sport. Or I can stick to arguing certain topics.

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Ime it's usually the calm ones who want a peaceful approach, that have the most issues with anger.

Because the above people are internally corrosive but externally smooth, they tend to want to transmute their anger to be something that doesn't disturb surface appearances.

These types are perhaps the most lethal because they can be deeply enraged but show such external reserve, that they can do very cruel/harsh things with cool headedness and pedantic reserve.

In Angie's case, one has long suffering Taurus Moon and could have been bottling things up till they explode.

It's the "explosive" part that one doesn't want to get to. To let things fester for a long time but remain silent and unperturbed, will not serve the native in the end.

Most people who are like this are actually Venus strong natives. Their anger will show through passive aggression I.e. sarcasm before it's outright physical aggression (the latter often embarrasses them as they consider it "brute").

Years earlier I watched an old film called "Going Down" starring Libra Sun(Venus ruled) Michael Douglas. It's interesting to me that they usually cast Venusian types as the ones who "lose" it.

Another one is "Revenge" with Taurus Sun (Venus ruled)Emily VanCamp. The series is about her getting back at all the people that wronged her in the past . And it's all done with a cool veneer of surface level calm and reserve (disguising an inner rage)

Cousin Bette(with Tau Sun native Jessica Lange) tells the story of a woman who seeks to take revenge on her family for sealing her "spinsterhood" status.

Always the externally calm but inwardly intense, that often have to deal with themes of Mars at its most extreme I.e. jail, assault and battery, murder etc.

Luigi Mangione (the man who killed an American health insurance company CEO) has Sun/Mars in Tau(Venus ruled).

Externally he was polite and friendly. But internally, he harboured deep resentment of being in pain( spinal issues)and his insurance company refusing to cover the costs for a surgery that would relieve his suffering.

Venus means to use Mars rage for the restoration of balance and justice. So in their mind, they are absolutely right for acting the way they did.

posted March 07, 2025 10:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Ime it's usually the calm ones who want a peaceful approach, that have the most issues with anger.

Because the above people are internally corrosive but externally smooth, they tend to want to transmute their anger to be something that doesn't disturb surface appearances.

These types are perhaps the most lethal because they can be deeply enraged but show such external reserve, that they can do very cruel/harsh things with cool headedness and pedantic reserve.

In Angie's case, one has long suffering Taurus Moon and could have been bottling things up till they explode.

It's the "explosive" part that one doesn't want to get to. To let things fester for a long time but remain silent and unperturbed, will not serve the native in the end.

Most people who are like this are actually Venus strong natives. Their anger will show through passive aggression I.e. sarcasm before it's outright physical aggression (the latter often embarrasses them as they consider it "brute").

Years earlier I watched an old film called "Going Down" starring Libra Sun(Venus ruled) Michael Douglas. It's interesting to me that they usually cast Venusian types as the ones who "lose" it.

Another one is "Revenge" with Taurus Sun (Venus ruled)Emily VanCamp. The series is about her getting back at all the people that wronged her in the past . And it's all done with a cool veneer of surface level calm and reserve (disguising an inner rage)

Cousin Bette(with Tau Sun native Jessica Lange) tells the story of a woman who seeks to take revenge on her family for sealing her "spinsterhood" status.

Always the externally calm but inwardly intense, that often have to deal with themes of Mars at its most extreme I.e. jail, assault and battery, murder etc.

Luigi Mangione (the man who killed an American health insurance company CEO) has Sun/Mars in Tau(Venus ruled).

Externally he was polite and friendly. But internally, he harboured deep resentment of being in pain( spinal issues)and his insurance company refusing to cover the costs for a surgery that would relieve his suffering.

Venus means to use Mars rage for the restoration of balance and justice. So in their mind, they are absolutely right for acting the way they did.

I think the best approach would be to nip something at the bud. When you see that it offends you or is wrong, act. The danger is in waiting because then the scale becomes unbalanced and thereafter is when you wish to tip it back into balance with extreme action that will undo what injustice there was before.

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I was the peaceful one for years, and still am, I’m just not quiet anymore. I used to want to hide when people were arguing. I bet sick in any serious conflict, and lose my appetite. I lost my appetite when someone was messing with me, and my friendships.

posted March 07, 2025 10:09 PM            

His wife died of hantavirus, before him. A rare disease.

posted March 08, 2025 07:56 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Dolly Parton lost her husband.

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Ruler of the 7th(Partner)is Nep 8Lib.Retro Venus 9Aries is opposing Neptune. Transiting Mercury entering 8th house soon would open up administrative issues related to the passing.

Also worthy of note is that transiting Jup is conjunct the Mc. Jupiter is not seen as an energy that one can associate with death.

But if you think about it, transitions to non physical are by nature about "going away". Hence someone "passes away".

This will affect her status-as she goes from married to widow. Jupiter also facilitates the "release" of her marriage contract. This is a change in status that i.e. her married identity is over.

Uranus closely conjuncts her Mc and opposes her Ic. Although her husband died at an old age. The idea of living without his presence in the house, is going to be a shock to the system. I mean how do ypu start living without someone you have been married to for 61 years? Yikes!

Condolences to her ❤❤❤🙏🏿

posted March 08, 2025 07:58 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Gene Hackman apparently died of a heart attack, and was dealing with Alzheimer’s.

His wife died of hantavirus, before him. A rare disease.

The dog apparently had surgery recently, and that’s why it was caged.

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posted March 30, 2025 12:26 PM            

Kingston has natal Moon conjunct transiting Uranus.And natal Mars/Jupiter about to conjunct/square transiting Neptune, then Saturn later on this year.

It is the connection of Saturn to Mars/Jup (square) that would be indicative of the restrictive conditions jail is(even depressive).

And that Neptune on Mars/Jup also suggests that it would be a confusing time this year for him. Like his life is falling apart.

I think it highly unusual to be arrested along with Mom. What??

His progressed Moon is at 20Pisces. So perhaps the transit Uranus to Moon and transit Saturn to Sun is a double hit?