posted July 31, 2024 12:27 PM            

Especially, Saturn had been going through Aqua and Pisces. The signs what represent the opposite to Saturn values. It made me think how this world doesn’t work right and full of suffering and selfish, wrong intentions people.

posted July 31, 2024 03:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Sounds like Saturn. Humans are not good. It’s only a type of animals what kills and imposes suffering for no purpose, but their own entertainment and satisfaction.

Especially, Saturn had been going through Aqua and Pisces. The signs what represent the opposite to Saturn values. It made me think how this world doesn’t work right and full of suffering and selfish, wrong intentions people.

I laugh now how stupid I was thinking people could care about making things right, or my interests or feelings.

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should i be the one who tells you about dolphins or...?

posted July 31, 2024 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Up until 2014, when tPluto in Cap started inching closer to my Cap Moon 5H and Cancer stellium 11H, I believed in love. I believed in world peace and the good in people. I chose to see the good. I had aboslutely no boundaries and did some really bad things because I didn't "see". I dated and befriended people I had no business being near. All of this have vanished to the point where I am the exact, without exaggeration, opposite. I see people for what they are and I don't like it and the more I see, the angrier I get! Some days it even disgusts me being a human because I think we are so messed up and "faulty".

Would tPluto solely be responsible for such a dramtic change?

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posted July 31, 2024 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
should i be the one who tells you about dolphins or...?

edit: btw dolphins are just the first animal that came to mind, there's others, it's just objectively wrong.

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posted July 31, 2024 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:

What’s wrong with dolphins? I recall they could have complicated language and related to aliens.

Potentially, it could be other perverted species, but since humans are supposed to be the most advanced and intelligent who run this planet…
On the opposite, people act often as the most stupid, cruel, selfish and violent spices. That’s why we were given language and intelligence… I don’t think any other type is so damaging for the planet.

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Octopi are what you're thinking of with aliens, outside of Ecco the Dolphin I can't recall any dolphin/alien anything. That being said dolphins also kill for fun, and so do other animals. 🤷‍♀️ Nothing is "wrong" with them, but they can be really into murder.

People are animals, life only exists because of death, it requires death to live. Obviously killing isn't morally good (in most cases) but intelligence isn't a factor when it comes to that. Any animal that isn't checked by nature (which includes other animals killing them) would eventually devastate its environment (that's why population control hunting exists) because there's a delicate balance there that needs to exist. Humans have just been able to come out on top. Many animals have their own forms of language and are intelligent, emotional etc that's not unique to humans. However those things don't make us less likely to kill and why would they? Those exact traits can lead to all kinds of terrible things. 🤷‍♀️

Your view of how life ought to be is nice and all, but it's very idealistic and reality just isnt ideal in that sense.

People do awful things sure, but they also do good things, really good things. There are people who put their lives on the line to help other people and other species even. Humans have a huge capacity for altruism and if you look at that side of things you'll see plenty of it. The bad doesn't somehow outweigh it. It's not typically a black and white thing either.

This plane of existence has both polarities in it, and everything in between and all of us (and everything else) exhibit that. It can be upsetting sometimes, there's suffering, but all of it has a purpose at a soul level. Suffering, pain, terrible things are vehicles for learning, growth, and soul development; good can come out of it. A lot of modern day medical techniques that save and better lives were born out of war. Technology as well, and that can benefit people greatly. The ugliness of life doesn't taint or eliminate its beauty. It has purpose, and can even be the source of beautiful things.

posted July 31, 2024 08:41 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Up until 2014, when tPluto in Cap started inching closer to my Cap Moon 5H and Cancer stellium 11H, I believed in love. I believed in world peace and the good in people. I chose to see the good. I had aboslutely no boundaries and did some really bad things because I didn't "see". I dated and befriended people I had no business being near. All of this have vanished to the point where I am the exact, without exaggeration, opposite. I see people for what they are and I don't like it and the more I see, the angrier I get! Some days it even disgusts me being a human because I think we are so messed up and "faulty".

Would tPluto solely be responsible for such a dramtic change?

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sounds like you need to find a balance there and these drastically different perspectives were experienced to highlight that need.

posted July 31, 2024 08:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Sounds like Saturn. Humans are not good. It’s only a type of animals what kills and imposes suffering for no purpose, but their own entertainment and satisfaction.

Especially, Saturn had been going through Aqua and Pisces. The signs what represent the opposite to Saturn values. It made me think how this world doesn’t work right and full of suffering and selfish, wrong intentions people.

I laugh now how stupid I was thinking people could care about making things right, or my interests or feelings.

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posted August 01, 2024 07:47 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don’t think you’re seeing people “for what they really are.” And people will always make assumptions in that vein, even if people are kind.

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posted August 01, 2024 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
Octopi are what you're thinking of with aliens, outside of Ecco the Dolphin I can't recall any dolphin/alien anything. That being said dolphins also kill for fun, and so do other animals. 🤷‍♀️ Nothing is "wrong" with them, but they can be really into murder.

People are animals, life only exists because of death, it requires death to live. Obviously killing isn't morally good (in most cases) but intelligence isn't a factor when it comes to that. Any animal that isn't checked by nature (which includes other animals killing them) would eventually devastate its environment (that's why population control hunting exists) because there's a delicate balance there that needs to exist. Humans have just been able to come out on top. Many animals have their own forms of language and are intelligent, emotional etc that's not unique to humans. However those things don't make us less likely to kill and why would they? Those exact traits can lead to all kinds of terrible things. 🤷‍♀️

Your view of how life ought to be is nice and all, but it's very idealistic and reality just isnt ideal in that sense.

People do awful things sure, but they also do good things, really good things. There are people who put their lives on the line to help other people and other species even. Humans have a huge capacity for altruism and if you look at that side of things you'll see plenty of it. The bad doesn't somehow outweigh it. It's not typically a black and white thing either.

This plane of existence has both polarities in it, and everything in between and all of us (and everything else) exhibit that. It can be upsetting sometimes, there's suffering, but all of it has a purpose at a soul level. Suffering, pain, terrible things are vehicles for learning, growth, and soul development; good can come out of it. A lot of modern day medical techniques that save and better lives were born out of war. Technology as well, and that can benefit people greatly. The ugliness of life doesn't taint or eliminate its beauty. It has purpose, and can even be the source of beautiful things.

Turning a blind eye to the good is just as bad, if not worse, than turning a blind eye to the evils of the world. It's all nature, and nature can be brutal, but that brutality is vital to this world.

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“Humans are the only species that have a true language, but some animals have communication behaviors that are more language-like than random. These behaviors can include vocal learning, structured communication, and the ability to mimic human speech:” (google)

There are researches and theories dolphins could be much more advanced species than we think and have a language what comparable to human language and other traits what might make them the separate civilization. And having a bad side might make them even more similar to us. However, we might think they do cruelness for fun as it’s closer to the human nature and understanding. As dolphins can have their own reasons and laws.
Like some think my kat could be mean. When I see he has more reasons to express aggressions to humans than humans to be upset with him.

“Your view of how life ought to be is nice and all, but it's very idealistic and reality just isnt ideal in that sense”

I don’t think my views are that nice. I went through many of my own disillusionment experiences. I still think it should be a room for improvement.

posted August 01, 2024 01:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
btw saturn is the classical ruler of aquarius, not its opposite. it's comfortable in aquarius.

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posted August 01, 2024 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I thought I needed not to use the opposite here.. I meant values, not astrological positions. Aquarius stands for creativity, technological progress, being different, going your own way, not following and so on. When Saturn is an astrological old man who imposes restrictions.
Is something lost in transition from ancient to modern astrology here?

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When Saturn transits one of the things it does is tear down (often harshly) all the things that weren't built on solid ground. It can destroy and take away a lot to push a person to refine and build something more solid. This tearing down then rebuilding to improve upon or completely discard what was is the side of Saturn that rules Aquarius. It's more multifaceted than the miserly man building an empire he's sure will never crumble. It's the test of time on all that he's built to see if it was built well and to discard and fix what didnt hold up. It pushes for innovation and refinement of structure, new and better ways of doing things.