posted August 20, 2024 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
They’re too absorbed in their own emotions to care about the others.
However, your examples are severe lol Those people might be robots or aliens🤖

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Lmao. That made my day. Nikola Tesla was rumored to have made contact with Aliens. Heck the more extreme conspiracies will claim he was an alien!!!.

"Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are still greater" Albert Einstein.

That quote pretty much spells self Einstein self absorbed emotions.

posted August 20, 2024 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
Lmao. That made my day. Nikola Tesla was rumored to have made contact with Aliens. Heck the more extreme conspiracies will claim he was an alien!!!.

"Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are still greater" Albert Einstein.

That quote pretty much spells self Einstein self absorbed emotions.

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posted August 31, 2024 05:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
They're probably air in sidereal/vedic.

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posted August 31, 2024 06:40 AM            

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Originally posted by ThunderSword:
What? So you mean there is no concrete base to knowing someones placements.... If he is not this then that(completely other system basis), that is not how logical scientific method works.
don't mix things up be CONSISTENT like science should be.

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What I'm saying is that the tropical system is figurative and not based on the stars in the sky and that the vedic/sidereal system is superior and more accurate. When you're wondering "Why is this person..." chances are that their sidereal placements will explain it better than their tropical chart. Any chart will give you the person to a degree but you lose depth. It's like reading runes instead of tarot, you can answer the same question and get the same answer but you're not going to get all the detail because you're working with significantly less information by default because there's not as many runes as their are tarot cards so some depth of information is lost in the process.

I dropped the tropical system early on when doing readings because I've found this to be true, I don't use it at all except in conversation with people who use it out of convenience.

Anyway even in the tropical system you'd be reading a chart wrong if you only looked at signs and not how the planets are arranged, aspected, and where the rulers of all the houses are. If you did you'd find all of what you're looking for, but it wouldn't be as pronounced as the sidereal chart would show.

posted August 31, 2024 07:34 AM            

Do you know the probability you dropped on your first reply how much it includes of ALL Pisces Cancer and Scorpio people we know? Not just 5% or 10% its 96% of ALL the people who we know as Water signs somehow become Air sign relying on your probability that is big percentage.

Stay on the system you use but dont come here and say probably because 96% of the water signs we know are air actually, thats like saying the system we use 96% probably is wrong.

Tropical is more consistent with science to me actually.

posted August 31, 2024 07:36 AM            

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Originally posted by ThunderSword:
How do you know what the house ruler is if you dont know what sign its in? Knowing signs is essential.

Do you know the probability you dropped in your first reply how much it includes of ALL Pisces Cancer and Scorpio people we know? Not just 5% or 10% its [b]96% of ALL the people who we know as Water signs somehow become Air sign relying on your probability that is big percentage.

Stay on the system you use but dont come here and say probably because 96% of the water signs we know are air actually, thats like saying the system we use 96% probably is wrong.

Tropical is more consistent with science to me actually.

Good luck with the method you use. ⚘[/B]

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The tropical system is figurative based on the seasons and isn't observable in the sky, you know that right? That it's symbolism. You would know what sign the house ruler is in because you'd be looking at whatever chart's in front of you genius.

posted August 31, 2024 07:44 AM            

96%

Edit: I read the sideral sources again its 24°

posted August 31, 2024 07:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
They're probably air in sidereal/vedic

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posted August 31, 2024 08:57 AM            

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Originally posted by ThunderSword:
How much tropical and sidereal shifted degrees between each other? 29° sweatie

96%

Edit: I read the sideral sources again its 24°

80% of ALL Water signs we know probably are Air, thats why they are detached emotionally 🤣🤣🤣 Still not in your favour.

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Do you realize how stupid what you just said is? That would only be true if there was an even distribution of births on all of those days in every month. Life doesn't work like that, there's not an even number of people born on all days of every month. How can you go on about statistics and science if you don't even know how to factor in all the variables that matter when you're talking numbers. You would have to sit down and pick apart the number of births throughout the month, take into account the days they happened on, and only after you've done that could you find a number that would be relevant. But no, of course you didn't do that, you're too busy throwing out meaningless numbers then patting yourself on the back for saying something "intelligent" without any clue how illogical and stupid what was stated actually is. "80% because the statistical birth rates are the same daily 🤓🤤 These numbers are definitely accurate my brain said so."

You're also only going off of sun sign at that point and not all the other areas of the chart.

posted August 31, 2024 09:04 AM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
For intuition and having a perceptive nature i would look to the Moon and to a lesser extent Mercury and not the Rising or the Sun i find these placements very easily overshadowed by the Moon placement hence probably why the OP is very confused by these Water Risings having a poor EQ because all the three examples the OP used were of people having very little Water influence esp around their Moon in every way and by every way i mean their Moons are in Non Water signs placed in Non Watery houses and also receives very little to no major aspects from Pluto or Neptune and two of them even have Uranus and Mercury in the 1st and all three had their Risings also powerfully aspected by either Saturn, Uranus or Mercury which will change things a lot.

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Oh I'm aware that when using the tropical system you have to look deeper than "This planet is in this sign" and factor in all things. Which is why I said these things can still be found in a tropical chart, I've just found that what isn't stated outright in tropical often is when you look at sidereal. I was just giving advice on how to quickly see these things about a person when it's not obvious from the tropical chart. 🤷‍♀️ But also yeah just look elsewhere in the chart if something doesn't make immediate sense.

posted August 31, 2024 09:10 AM            

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Originally posted by ThunderSword:
Move on.

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posted August 31, 2024 09:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
Oh I'm aware that when using the tropical system you have to look deeper than "This planet is in this sign" and factor in all things. Which is why I said these things can still be found in a tropical chart, I've just found that what isn't stated outright in tropical often is when you look at sidereal. I was just giving advice on how to quickly see these things about a person when it's not obvious from the tropical chart. 🤷‍♀️ But also yeah just look elsewhere in the chart if something doesn't make immediate sense.

You're right about those particular placements showing up more in certain people. Also like you said if you have the ascendant ruled by the moon but then the moon is in a sign like Aquarius that's going to have an impact on how it shows up for someone. Maybe your approach will be listened to better than mine though. 😁

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Exactly 👍

posted August 31, 2024 01:02 PM            

I have some mild tism and can be pretty logically oriented. It can be a bit offputting for others, coming from a female as I find people can react quite violently even.

posted August 31, 2024 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Tokala:
Being on the spectrum also makes understanding or displaying proper emotions quite difficult, but it does make for some interesting geniuses sometimes. And those men you mentioned also are heavily on the spectrum in their own way. There's also the fact that they are men, who have be socialized to have stunted emotions to begin with.

I have some mild tism and can be pretty logically oriented.

Also, sometimes what people consider to be an emotional person is simply someone who lacks maturity, and people unknowingly equate having strong EQ with the ability to manage others who are essentially throwing a childish tantrum or being ridiculous. It really depends from case to case.

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Spot on 👍

posted August 31, 2024 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
Exactly 👍

Haha I doubt it I feel some users are just here to bash certain placements and refuse to acknowledge that all the different elements have their strengths and weaknesses. Some are just here to argue and not really here to learn and get a deeper understanding.

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Probably some but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Anyway you not mentioning sidereal and just sticking to tropical will probably clear up some of the issues. 😁

People are far too reliant on just looking at the signs, and it's funny because you could do a brief reading without even looking at them.

I find people match their sidereal better without as much digging needing to be done, but the planets in the houses and their relation to each other coming before the signs in a reading seems to work with both systems. I tried it for a while when I was first learning to churn out readings quickly. High success rate, moreso than focusing on planets in signs. The signs are like colors in a painting, you can have a blob of blue but without context you're not going to know wtf you're looking at. You can have a clear picture with just the line work but it's not going to be the same as when it's shaded and colored.

Also the focus on sun signs that comes from horoscopes being churned out really does a disservice to anyone when they first encounter astrology.

posted August 31, 2024 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
Probably some but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Anyway you not mentioning sidereal and just sticking to tropical will probably clear up some of the issues. 😁

People are far too reliant on just looking at the signs, and it's funny because you could do a brief reading without even looking at them.

I find people match their sidereal better without as much digging needing to be done, but the planets in the houses and their relation to each other coming before the signs in a reading seems to work with both systems. I tried it for a while when I was first learning to churn out readings quickly. High success rate, moreso than focusing on planets in signs. The signs are like colors in a painting, you can have a blob of blue but without context you're not going to know wtf you're looking at. You can have a clear picture with just the line work but it's not going to be the same as when it's shaded and colored.

Also the focus on sun signs that comes from horoscopes being churned out really does a disservice to anyone when they first encounter astrology.

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posted August 31, 2024 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
I`m not so into the sidereal and find tropical more accurate but i know some people prefer sidereal and find it more fitting so it must be something to it. But the reason why i responded to you was because their were already so much indication in the tropical charts of these Men that might point to lack of EQ. All these Men were highly intelligent in different lanes but when it comes to non verbal communication, emotions or emotional matters it`s like seeing a different person which i have found to be a very common behavior among people who have Non Water Moons or those with low Water influence in their charts. It`s just not their lane to read faces and feel their way through life at every waking moment and that is okay we operate differently and it`s about time people are okay with that. But some people can`t stand that certain elements are better at certain things and gives out misinformation and would only focus on signs or one placement and not look deeper into things it really is a disservice to someone new.

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I didn't look at any of their charts tbh, just threw out an opinion. Tropical is the easier system to learn for sure and they both work. Just been my experience that tropical isnt as good, except for transits. It's great for that, and technically both work for rituals etc. It's like I said runes vs tarot, they're not the same but you could use anything like that and get the same answer for the same question. That chart is you, either one, just like you're your energy. Someone could see a picture of you or be in your presence or know your name etc and energetically be able to connect to you. It's all you. Your Chinese astrology even, I can't read that **** at all it's all too many different animals and elements and breaks down well beyond year, but I met a reader once and he was on point. Because it's me just like peeking into fate no matter what way will yield the same result, you're looking at the same thing.

I have basically no water in my tropical chart, but I absolutely do get by in life by interacting with people at a feeling level and I'm dependent on it. I'm good at picking up on people's feelings and responding to them, feeling them. Been told that by many other people so I'm not giving a personal opinion here, truth be told if I were emotionally retarded I'd be fine with it past the difficulties it might cause in life if I wanted interaction. I don't have to know someone to pick up on any of it either, and it's not reliant on reading their faces or body language (to be honest I'm not particularly observant unless I have interest) I'm also sensitive and often make personal decisions based on feelings. Everything I have in my life right now I have because I've been following dream, signs, and feelings for a very long time to the point where my spiritual path and my life are inseparable in a way that runs deep in an important to me sense. It's how I operate, and I will always put that first. These are things people often attribute to water, and yet... you won't find that there. Doesn't change my life, or what people view me as or things I've heard from people outside of myself. There's something to be said about astrologers trying to squish people into the systems they like as well.

posted August 31, 2024 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

I have basically no water in my tropical chart, but I absolutely do get by in life by interacting with people at a feeling level and I'm dependent on it. I'm good at picking up on people's feelings and responding to them, feeling them. Been told that by many other people so I'm not giving a personal opinion here, truth be told if I were emotionally retarded I'd be fine with it past the difficulties it might cause in life if I wanted interaction. I don't have to know someone to pick up on any of it either, and it's not reliant on reading their faces or body language (to be honest I'm not particularly observant unless I have interest) I'm also sensitive and often make personal decisions based on feelings. Everything I have in my life right now I have because I've been following dream, signs, and feelings for a very long time to the point where my spiritual path and my life are inseparable in a way that runs deep in an important to me sense. It's how I operate, and I will always put that first. These are things people often attribute to water, and yet... you won't find that there. Doesn't change my life, or what people view me as or things I've heard from people outside of myself. There's something to be said about astrologers trying to squish people into the systems they like as well.

I'm high ranting my bad. Anyway basically it all comes down to whatever vibes with you, but if someone is struggling I suggest another system, and I've also noticed behaviors in people who are born where the signs overlap that are different than where they don't. Can be worth it to see what's best for you. Gotta **** around and see what clicks.

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posted August 31, 2024 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
I remember you talking about people having to be blunt with you when it comes to their feelings and intentions on a Aries Moon thread once and if their not you won`t register it or something like that. Anyways i still find the Water element the strongest indicator of intuition and perceptiveness of emotions and i would always direct someone who is interested in this area to look at what their Water Planets/Houses/Signs is doing in the charts but esp if they have any Water on their Moons or to a lesser extent Mercury. But like i have said earlier we all can be EQ we just move in different ways some need people to be more upfront and direct to have a deeper understanding of someone`s emotions and some might not need any words to know what someone might feel but both can equally have a very deep understanding of emotions.

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That's specific to them having romantic feelings for me, then I'm absolutely retarded and oblivious. Huge blindspot for me. Other **** though that's not true about, it's that specifically. So yeah I definitely said that, but it was likely about that. I can tell immediately when someone is sad or angry or something like that. Those things you can't hide from me, but you can be extremely forward about romantic intentions and that won't get through. I think that's because I'm the kind of person who will do **** like cuddle with friends or even had coworkers who would come over to me to lean against me or hug me or hold my hand when they were stressed, and I tend to flirt without really thinking because I don't see it as anything. I say I love you to friends, to people who made me momentarily happy etc it all means different **** of course but because I'm like that to such a degree I find it difficult to pick up on that. Not to mention I often hope that's not the case which adds to it. Plus it's also probably some unresolved trauma around self worth or some **** on top of that. But yeah... that's definitely me with that.