posted September 06, 2024 02:23 PM            

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The Sun represents the essential self, a central organizing principle around which other aspects of the self must relate to. It describes aspects of our purpose, vitality, and core needs that we seek to meet throughout our lives. In contrast to the Moon (the other luminary), which represents the subconscious mind, the Sun represents one’s conscious awareness, ego, and intellect.

In a birth chart horoscope, the position of the Sun represents the core aspects of self, and its astrological sign represents how we channel our life force outward, the wisdom we innately carry, and the style of growth that is most suitable for us. The Sun sign describes what we are motivated to make manifest in the world and reveals the guiding principles that can help us to stay connected to our purpose throughout life. https://astrala.com/planets/sun

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posted September 06, 2024 02:44 PM            

You have to detach yoursel from the known qualities usually associated with the planets. Move stuff around. But essentially, there are very many overlaps.

In sidereal my Sun is Sag. But that's not the important part. What is really of extreme importance, is the Nakrashta that the Sun is under.

Mine is under the Mula Nakshrata, ruled by Ketu(South Node). Explains my nature so much. It's crazy!!

ADD to that,in Sidereal the Moon is more important than the Sun. So my Moon is in Gemini in the Purnavasu Nakrashta( ruled by Jupiter).

So I don't escape Jupiter's influence at all. It just changes positions.

I did the sidereal Nakshrata breakdown with all the people I know in my life. And it is very accurate.

The previous tropical chart is still relevant ofcourse to all. Only this is another perspective. And boy is it deep.

In my practice, I merge the two. I actively use the Nakrashtas now. And things have improved in terms of clearer interpretations.

I also notice that Neptune (though not used in sidereal) is very similar to Ketu in description.

posted September 06, 2024 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Both are correct.

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Everything is relative there is no objective Truth. 🤣🤣🤣 astrologers who use both at the same time sound like a second line of cope if the first predictions does not work with tropical they swith to the second. 🤣🤣🤣

posted September 06, 2024 05:27 PM            

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posted September 07, 2024 03:25 AM            

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Originally posted by ThunderSword:
Everything is relative there is no objective Truth. 🤣🤣🤣 astrologers who use both at the same time sound like a second line of cope if the first predictions does not work with tropical they swith to the second. 🤣🤣🤣

Yes, there is objective Truth.

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posted September 07, 2024 03:39 AM            

Sun 0Ari is Ashwini Nakshrata-ruled by Merc.

Moon 6Tau is Krittika Nakshrata- ruled by Sun

Asc 9Lib Asc is Swati Nakshrata-ruled by Rahu.

Go to YouTube and search for "Claire Nakti" . Listen to the Mercury dominant male and female video.

Listen to the Sun dominant male amdand female video.

And since you also have Rahu in 2nd house just barely past 1st house (in addition to Rahu ruled Asc), listen to the Rahu dominant men and women video.

posted September 09, 2024 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@ teasel.

Sun 0Ari is Ashwini Nakshrata-ruled by Merc.

Moon 6Tau is Krittika Nakshrata- ruled by Sun

Asc 9Lib Asc is Swati Nakshrata-ruled by Rahu.

Go to YouTube and search for "Claire Nakti" . Listen to the Mercury dominant male and female video.

Listen to the Sun dominant male amdand female video.

And since you also have Rahu in 2nd house just barely past 1st house (in addition to Rahu ruled Asc), listen to the Rahu dominant men and women video.

I wouldn't recommend a "all in one" sit in. It's a lot of information to take in. Just stretch them over a wider period. Let me know what you think.🙌🏿

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posted September 10, 2024 09:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Did you read the other part of my essay? Or just stop at the quoted part?🤔

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posted September 10, 2024 09:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Both are correct. But for different reasons. So it's not easy to choose which is "more" closer to me. As both are.

You have to detach yoursel from the known qualities usually associated with the planets. Move stuff around. But essentially, there are very many overlaps.

In sidereal my Sun is Sag. But that's not the important part. What is really of extreme importance, is the Nakrashta that the Sun is under.

Mine is under the Mula Nakshrata, ruled by Ketu(South Node). Explains my nature so much. It's crazy!!

ADD to that,in Sidereal the Moon is more important than the Sun. So my Moon is in Gemini in the Purnavasu Nakrashta( ruled by Jupiter).

So I don't escape Jupiter's influence at all. It just changes positions.

I did the sidereal Nakshrata breakdown with all the people I know in my life. And it is very accurate.

The previous tropical chart is still relevant ofcourse to all. Only this is another perspective. And boy is it deep.

In my practice, I merge the two. I actively use the Nakrashtas now. And things have improved in terms of clearer interpretations.

I also notice that Neptune (though not used in sidereal) is very similar to Ketu in description.

Whilst Plu(also not used in sidereal) is very much parallel to the descriptions of Rahu(North node).

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This is where I've arrived at too after years of experimenting and studying both. They're both worth knowing and if you know both you can use a blend and get more in depth readings out of it.

Vedic is a bit harder to access due to the language barrier limiting resources, but I think knowing western helps make up for that.

All the information is in both charts, but I find sidereal pushes the important stuff in your face and the nakshatras don't work when you switch to tropical but add so much depth when you use them in sidereal. I also prefer the understanding of ketu/rahu in that system, it's much more in depth than it is in the western system. I tend to drop the outer planets, but they can be useful too. It's a shame more people don't use both, feel like a blended system that was refined could improve upon each system.

posted September 10, 2024 09:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
he doesn't grasp that different systems can both be accurate.

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posted September 10, 2024 11:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Both are correct. But for different reasons. So it's not easy to choose which is "more" closer to me. As both are.

In sidereal my Sun is Sag. But that's not the important part. What is really of extreme importance, is the Nakrashta that the Sun is under. Mine is under the Mula Nakshrata, ruled by Ketu(South Node). Explains my nature so much. It's crazy!!

ADD to that,in Sidereal the Moon is more important than the Sun. So my Moon is in Gemini in the Purnavasu Nakrashta( ruled by Jupiter).  

In my practice, I merge the two. I actively use the Nakrashtas now. And things have improved in terms of clearer interpretations.

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Agreed. 👍 Both systems are significant in different ways, which I didn't always realize before.

Nakshatras can be insanely accurate! That's primarily what I use Sidereal for. ✨️ And I stick to Western/Tropical when it comes to the Signs. With House placements, it varies.

For instance, you mentioned Claire Nakti. Love her YT channel! In her stellar video below, she discusses the ~Cinderella Effect~ of women born under Uttara Bhadrapada Nakshatra. 👠 In Vedic, they are considered Pisces. But I *know* these are ultimately Aries Women born between 3/21-3/31 in Western Astrology. So I definitely combine the two systems while watching videos like these!

My Mercury is under Uttara Bhadrapada.

http://youtu.be/0xvgMCUOm6Y?si=NixsgL4jW88uUKpc

I'm an Aries in BOTH. ♈️ Ashwini Sun.

You & I are both Gemini Moons in Vedic. 🌙 You under Punarvasu, myself under Ardra. What's your ASC?

posted September 11, 2024 02:47 AM            

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The truth is what your mind tells you makes more sense, and it isn't necessarily the same truth as the next person's.

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True.Your mind will not accept anything that it is not ready to process yet. It stays in the subconscious. Whilst for another, their mind could be ready to process more. So their truth is not your truth.

I keep going back to how the Sun(in the metaphorical sense) is so important in illuminating things and bringing things to conscious awareness. It is (in essence) being "woke".

In sidereal, the Sun is sight. It's amazing how in life I have found that I overlook or completely ignore something that is right in front of me. I cannot see it because it is still in the subconscious.

It's like watching a music video and not really seeing what is happening in it in detail at all. This because some parts of it are sped up in order for you to not have them register consciously.

Just the other day, I was watching one of the many confusing A$AP Rocky's music videos "Shi***n' me". At some point I randomly paused the video because my neighbour wanted to borrow something from the garage.

When I went back to it again, I realised that I paused it at a point where some weird cartoon figure with a head and curious appearance was surfacing.

I slowed down the video considerably. And out popped up some alien like character that seemed out of place and out of context for the overall aesthetics of the theme of the song.

I feel like life is the same way. That conscious awareness is the slowing down of images/experiences one receives in life and actually acknowledging them. Looking at them with intentful eyes that bar them from hiding in the subconscious.

That's the only time one can say "I see". This to also signify what we instinctively say when we mean "I understand".

Sagittarius (ruled by Jupiter) is the "I see". Whilst in sidereal, illumination has to do with the Sun(as said) as well as sight.

So this overlap is not incompatible with tropical imo i.e. Jupiter sees the bigger picture (as I did when I slowed the video down). And Sun illuminates what had otherwise gone unseen many times before.

My brain was ready to comprehend the picture. And as it did, truth in terms of my perspective changed I.e. What I now knew, I didn't know before. But I also know that there is still more to "see" in the video that I am still not ready to comprehend.

The truth about the video was always there. Communicated plainly. But since (as you put it) truth is very contingent on perspective of where the brain is at. I could only take a small bit of it.

Once the volume of what I could ingest expanded, I could take in some more. But I acknowledge now that I am still "looking". But do not "see"☝🏿

Many of us are there(but at differing points). We are always looking, but do not see🤷🏿‍♂️ And that's also reflective of how much "truth" each of us are ready to accept. Dependent on our own personal level of how much filter we use.

Very fascinating 🤔

posted September 11, 2024 02:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
He did this to me too before, he doesn't grasp that different systems can both be accurate.

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I can feel the resistance. And yet he asked the question for which he wants a specific answer to. 🤔

posted September 11, 2024 03:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
This is where I've arrived at too after years of experimenting and studying both. They're both worth knowing and if you know both you can use a blend and get more in depth readings out of it.

Vedic is a bit harder to access due to the language barrier limiting resources, but I think knowing western helps make up for that.

All the information is in both charts, but I find sidereal pushes the important stuff in your face and the nakshatras don't work when you switch to tropical but add so much depth when you use them in sidereal. I also prefer the understanding of ketu/rahu in that system, it's much more in depth than it is in the western system. I tend to drop the outer planets, but they can be useful too. It's a shame more people don't use both, feel like a blended system that was refined could improve upon each system.

+ interesting point about neptune/ketu and rahu/pluto btw (edited this just to say that) it never occurred to me but now that you've mentioned it you're right. 😩 rahu and ketu are both really prominent in my chart.

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Absolutely 🙌🏿

In terms of the Nakshratas, when using them for tropical, you have to convert them to tropical.

I.e. 6-20Aqua is the Shatabhisha Nakshrata in sidereal. But in tropical, the Shatabhisha Nakshrata is Pisces 0-13 Degrees.

posted September 11, 2024 03:19 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
You & I are both Gemini Moons in Vedic. 🌙 You under Punarvasu, myself under Ardra. What's your ASC?

So how do you feel about your Mula Energy?! Mula Moon runs strong in my family lineage.

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I have Ashwini Asc/Mula Sun and Punarvarsu Moon.

Since Keri rules the Asc AND Sun, I feel like the dark and often ghost-like energy of Ketu, is balanced by the positive and optimistic life affirming energy of Jupiter ruled Punarvarsu.

I am a mix of light(Jup) and dark(Ketu). Sometimes leaning towards either one-depending on life. I feel both are necessary though in existing within me. Both offer a perspective that is useful for soul experience.

Do members in your family smoke a lot? Ketu ruled Mula is associated with ash and mist. That is one habit that I never picked up. But the Ketu "smoky" nature asserts itself elsewhere .

In my creative work, I have a lot of stories based on themes that centre around obscure experiences with inter-dimensional beings. And they end on a cliffhanger I.e. in a cloud of smoke.

I don't know why I feel a need to make them so mysterious and open-ended. But I do.

Neptune conj my Sun and for me, Neptune totally correlates to Ketu. They are both energies that are preoccupied with being mysterious and haunting.

posted September 17, 2024 08:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

I am a mix of light(Jup) and dark(Ketu). Sometimes leaning towards either one-depending on life. I feel both are necessary though in existing within me. Both offer a perspective that is useful for soul experience.

Do members in your family smoke a lot? Ketu ruled Mula is associated with ash and mist. That is one habit that I never picked up. But the Ketu "smoky" nature asserts itself elsewhere.

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OMG very fascinating about the smoke. 🔥 My mother was an avid smoker. My dad also smoked for years, but eventually quit. Both Mula Moons!

As an Ashwini Sun ☀️ (Ketu) - I've always hated cigarettes with a passion! So gross to me, on top of being unhealthy. I smoked them a handful of times as a teenager because some of my friends were into it. Gotta love peer pressure LOL

I am a fan of the smoke aesthetic, though. The sultry vibe of this video gives me LIFE. 💋 http://youtu.be/-u96zW2C2Nk?si=cNdclNUFTK9x4s7Z

My maternal grandmother was a Magha Sun. And my paternal one (like both my parents) was a Mula Moon. 🌙 So, I'm surely serious when I say Ketu runs strong in my family!

posted September 19, 2024 03:50 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
OMG very fascinating about the smoke. 🔥 My mother was an avid smoker. My dad also smoked for years, but eventually quit. Both Mula Moons!

As an Ashwini Sun ☀️ (Ketu) - I've always hated cigarettes with a passion! So gross to me, on top of being unhealthy. I smoked them a handful of times as a teenager because some of my friends were into it. Gotta love peer pressure LOL

I am a fan of the smoke aesthetic, though. The sultry vibe of this video gives me LIFE. 💋 http://youtu.be/-u96zW2C2Nk?si=cNdclNUFTK9x4s7Z

My maternal grandmother was a Magha Sun. And my paternal one (like both my parents) was a Mula Moon. 🌙 So, I'm surely serious when I say Ketu runs strong in my family!

BTW - I think it's very cool that you have a mix of light & dark in your chart. ✨️ As it gives many layers to a person, which I'm a fan of. So good for you.

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