posted March 16, 2025 12:45 PM            

It’s been a long time since I’ve been on this forum. I used to be a fervent astrologer – my whole life was based on the stars. Until I met Someone who changed everything for me.

My point in writing this isn’t to debate, argue, or condemn anybody. Rather, I would like to bring a new perspective to light, one that perhaps you’ve never thought about before.

Why quit astrology? It has so many benefits and is truly useful, right?

… Or is it?

Let me share with you what I’ve learned over the years ever since I stopped all astrological “thinking”.

For one, I’ve learned that astrology creates heavy biases in the people who practice it, distorting their ability to see people as they are and inducing in them reactions that are unwarranted and which can create conflict, frustration, break relationships, and lead to foolish decisions. I’ll give you an example: most astrologers will literally make decisions based on the stars – whom to date, whom to marry, when to cut hair, when to travel, when to marry, and sometimes – when to divorce because they have now found “their soulmate” because their North Node conjuncts that person’s Descendant. No matter that that person is also married and that you are now both tearing apart your families just to be together, because – according to the stars – you are meant to be together.

Now, I know some of you will think that you’re not like that, and that your whole life isn’t guided by astrology, but I ask you to reconsider. It is most likely that you are in fact, heavily biased, influenced, and led into strange (and sometimes immoral) thought patterns and behaviors due to astrology.

Next, astrology keeps you in a cage. For all the “contemporary” astrologers out there (of which I was one) who think that the birth chart is something we can “transcend” or somehow “get out of”, that is simply not true. Astrology is defeatist, and its purpose isn’t to show what is possible – but what is. Because it has no inherent capacity to save, heal, or change anybody. It’s a set of mechanisms that simply affect someone whether they like it or not. The only difference between someone who practices astrology and someone who doesn’t is that the practicing astrologer is aware of their natural tendencies, which they attribute to the stars; while the other isn’t, at least not from the perspective of “stars”.

What I’ve come to understand is that there is no escape from your birth chart or the influence of the stars. They quite literally keep you in bondage to your natural inclinations and even external factors. You may want to “get out”, but you can’t, because astrology has no redemptive power. You may argue this, and you are free to do so, but I am stating what I have experienced myself and seen over the years in others.

So, how can anyone “quit” astrology or become free from its influence? Well, I believe that no one can simply “quit” astrology – let alone become free from its influence – especially once they’ve been deep into it. It is impossible, because once you’ve tasted the fruit of it, it keeps you in its grasp indefinitely, until and unless a greater force comes to set you free from this defeatist system. And what I’ve found is that there is only one such force – one such Person, actually – you’ve guessed it: Jesus Christ. I know, I know. I can see you rolling your eyes already and I’m sure you don’t want to read further, but give me just a few more minutes of your time, please.

What’s the whole deal about Jesus? Well, Jesus came to set us free from what He called “the flesh” – that is, the inherent depravity of man’s nature. I know you all probably don’t think that mankind is wicked, or “sinful” (I used to think so too), but the truth is that mankind is absolutely wicked and helpless to save itself. There is no “higher self” – that’s a lie that’s meant to keep us in ignorance and in false light, in false reassurance that we are “okay”. But we are not “okay” – we are slaves to sin, slaves to our natural proclivities and pains, and there is no power anywhere on this earth or in heaven that can set us free except for Jesus Christ. Why? Because He paid the full price with His blood that was shed on the cross for all humanity. I know this sounds lunatic, and crazy, but He revealed Himself to me – as He does to countless others – and He has shown me that astrology is a trap to keep people in bondage to their flesh, and to the fatality of a sinful life. There is no redemption in it nor in its practices, and the knowledge one gains from it only serves to further push one into darkness and control.

I know many people believe that God is a control-freak, that following Jesus is akin to being an ignorant, dumb slave, but let me tell you – there is nothing more freeing than being forgiven from one’s sins and walking in the true freedom that only God Himself can give. God wants to truly liberate us, not enslave us – like astrology and all other such practices do.

Ever since I stopped practicing astrology – and I must admit I was only able to stop because God delivered me from its grip – my mind, heart, will and whole life have radically changed. I no longer see people through the stars; I no longer judge them or limit them based on their birth chart; I no longer choose friends or relationships based on synastry; I no longer make decisions based on any prediction, transit, etc. I am no longer afraid of what can happen based on astrological predictions. I have been freed from its hold and life is so much more liberating and fun this way! I can accept people and love them for exactly who they are – without needing to know “what’s in their heads” or how we interact with one another according to the stars.

My soul has been liberated from the natal influences I used to be enslaved by – and it has been redeemed by the Spirit of Christ. I no longer walk in bondage, but I walk in the newness of life that only Jesus can bring. Now I am free to love people the way they are, without looking at them through the lens of their chart and our synastry. You may not think that you have that problem – you may think that you are able to love everyone the same, no matter their chart or your synastry. But once again – biases are unavoidable, and affect us even on an unconscious level.

Dear reader, you probably don’t like reading what I’ve written – I know, because I was in your shoes years ago. I thought “religious nuts” were fanatical, ignorant, and needed the “true light of revelation” that only comes from the New Age. I was wrong! There is nothing to be gained from the New Age except for darkness and more darkness. It leads people into deep bondage that they cannot get out of. I know, because I was there. It is only through the power of Christ that I am now free from it and that I can see it for what it truly is. Hence my sharing it with you.

I don’t expect you to understand or agree with me. My purpose is simply to share what God has shown me and what I’ve learned over the years. I quit astrology almost 8 years ago and I will never go back. Perhaps, one day, you will also come to the same realization, by God’s grace.

And if, by any chance, a Christian is reading this and thinking that astrology is alright in the sight of God, I kindly invite you to reconsider and read Isaiah chapter 47 (verses 12 to 15) and Deuteronomy chapter 18 (verses 10 to 14).

Thanks for reading and feel free to ask questions if you have any.

posted March 16, 2025 01:04 PM            

"The people I've known with that square have a very "lost" vibe - like they're on drugs or zoning out, haha. They seem very elusive, it's hard to understand "who they are" and what they want... Very foggy. You can't really define them, because it's like the "real" them is buried somewhere and not shown to the world or even to themselves. Self-deception? Maybe.
They seem to have troubles with depressive moods / apathy and a lack of motivation or drive; and an overall passive disposition.

They are lovely though, kinda have a calmness to them that can be attractive. But there's sometimes a feeling of... silent suffering, almost. Something tragic in a very quiet way - like they're burying all kinds of feelings and can't get out of their misery, but it's not all that apparent, you have to look close to realize that. It feels like a part of them is missing - or that *they* are missing, as a whole. But I suppose those would be the less positive manifestations.

I think it takes time for them to find who they are or who they want to be, and they can create a lot of misunderstandings around them and *inside* them, before finding out what they want out of life.

They're very sensitive folks though. It's like they don't really "belong" here, you know? Like they're too fragile for this world, almost.

They can be wonderful artists thanks to their refined sensitivity and super developed senses.
They just gotta work on their self-acceptance and self-confidence (something they tend to lack, at least in youth)."

posted March 16, 2025 02:57 PM            

i'm sure you're well meaning, but if you want to actually reach people this is a bad way to do that. i say that as someone who learned astrology, played with it for a time, then 98% discarded it outside of looking here sometimes to see who's still around and casual conversation.

posted March 16, 2025 02:57 PM            

It's alright. All is well. 🙏🏿

posted March 16, 2025 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
you got me, i didn't like reading that, way too long.... 😁 so i didn't finish and skimmed.

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I ended up coping the text into google translate, then have the rest read to me from my browser.

Imo the problem is if your weak minded or the type of person that can easily fall victim to group think then you should be careful of getting into astrology.

Or you turn to astrology as a way to make sense of some trouble that your undergoing, but because of the situation your not thinking and reasoning at your best.

I've seen some things on this site, were i've said to myself that person's full of BS.

I will be polite about it, but I know that if I actually listen to that person I will start falling into astrological biases.

I'm generally very mentally strong to spot it, you need to be a level headed person, see things for what they are, the bigger picture, then sense, and logical connect everything if you can't then your easy prey.

The other thing is I treat astrology like a weather report.

It gives you clues, but don't expect it to be right every time.

Plus know when to properly use Astrology, don't become overly reliant on it for every scenario otherwise your asking for trouble.

"If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" - Abraham Maslow

posted March 16, 2025 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I’m not a Christian, so that won’t work for me, but I don’t judge people by their charts, either.

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I play it like a observational science.

Like last week i'm expected to return to office 3 days a week.

Thankfully I can keep my profile at the HQ building but can fullfill my in office hours at a regional office near me.

I'm curious about the people that have desks near me, there all finance people.

I'm the only tech person because I technically belong to a different office.

So I data mined all of their birth data, I have their natal charts.

I have some idea of what they might be like based on their charts, but it doesn't 100% mean it will be that way.

"Their chart is the script on who they are and their actors/actresses playing their chart, but like any person on stage they might mess up or forget their lines"

posted March 16, 2025 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I play it like a observational science.

Like last week i'm expected to return to office 3 days a week.

Thankfully I can keep my profile at the HQ building but can fullfill my in office hours at a regional office near me.

I'm curious about the people that have desks near me, there all finance people.

I'm the only tech person because I technically belong to a different office.

So I data mined all of their birth data, I have their natal charts.

I have some idea of what they might be like based on their charts, but it doesn't 100% mean it will be that way.

"Their chart is the script on who they are and their actors/actresses playing their chart, but like any person on stage they might mess up or forget their lines"

My Planets
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☉‘ ♊, ☽ ♈, ASC ♑, ☿ ♊, ¡÷ ♉, ¡ö ♋ , ♃ ♒, ♄ ♏, ♅ ♐, ♆ ♑

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posted March 16, 2025 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Oh, I was talking to Doux.

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Of course, you'll get Doux back in the right mood!!.

posted March 16, 2025 07:26 PM            

I used to live my life by astrology and I was obsessed with daily transits, synastries and composites and predicting my future. I also went for guidance to the best astrologers out there and paid a lot of money.

You would think with all that, I would have been a resounding success... but no, my life was still a mess! LOL

So I stopped watching the stars, I stopped worrying about transits and eclipses etc...Within 1 year, my life was so much better. I also had less anxiety. I also went through a profound religious experience and I vowed to never come near astrology again.

posted March 16, 2025 07:55 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I ended up coping the text into google translate, then have the rest read to me from my browser.

Imo the problem is if your weak minded or the type of person that can easily fall victim to group think then you should be careful of getting into astrology.

Or you turn to astrology as a way to make sense of some trouble that your undergoing, but because of the situation your not thinking and reasoning at your best.

I've seen some things on this site, were i've said to myself that person's full of BS.

I will be polite about it, but I know that if I actually listen to that person I will start falling into astrological biases.

I'm generally very mentally strong to spot it, you need to be a level headed person, see things for what they are, the bigger picture, then sense, and logical connect everything if you can't then your easy prey.

The other thing is I treat astrology like a weather report.

It gives you clues, but don't expect it to be right every time.

Plus know when to properly use Astrology, don't become overly reliant on it for every scenario otherwise your asking for trouble.

"If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" - Abraham Maslow

My Planets
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☉‘ ♊, ☽ ♈, ASC ♑, ☿ ♊, ¡÷ ♉, ¡ö ♋ , ♃ ♒, ♄ ♏, ♅ ♐, ♆ ♑

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lol glad it wasn't just me, but listening would be even harder in my case, i can't listen to stuff i have no interest in i just stop hearing the words entirely.

i think there's various personalities that can struggle with it, and it can be detrimental, but at the same time like you said it doesn't have to be. there were honestly a lot of flaws in the take even beyond this that made me need to pause.

like the placements are set in stone thing, they are and they aren't, twins can have basically the same chart but not the same lives (in spite of being in the same environment) because it's not that rigid. there's the worst ways things can present, the best ways, various possibilities for the same transit because these things are more just themes. colors, shapes, give them form but it's not like photocopies or something (though even those can change if you start to run out of ink) so that on its own is a verifiably bad take.

then like you said it's not everything, it's just also not nothing either. it's a tool but it definitely shouldn't be your only one and if it is then you ****** up and need to reevaluate some things.

i've explained it like the weather before as well to people, so i'm bias towards that analogy, because that's really how it is. you look at transits they're conditions, like rain, everyone's still going to have a different day though, and then more than that internal world means something too. can do the same thing a million times that doesn't mean the experience was the same every time, it won't be.

internal world is part of why astrology can be inaccurate at any rate, i've noticed this when i would read for capricorn heavy charts, my framing would be off, i have to adjust to meet theirs because what i see and what they see as "a bad thing" just aren't the same. the kind of thing that may lead to a profound moment for one person and a mundane for another can be the same, but that's not what either of them walks away with or gets out of it.

it works for what it is, but what it is isn't a guide to life or everything you need to know about other people. it's a long history of compiled evidence and ideas built into a system that's extremely dense to learn on any effectual level yet even at that level it still isn't absolute. you gain maybe 15% better understanding of something, and that's good, you're not going in blind. that's it though. i understand why people immerse, and i'm all for just leaving things up to things like astrology to make decisions as an experiment just to see and test things because... why not? learning through experimentation is important, but having set expectations and thinking what you can discern from a chart is everything is too much.

that being said i used to be able to predict when my ex and i were going to fight based on where the moon was hitting in my chart. i studied transits daily for about a year to see if i noticed anything and that's what i got out of that. without fail no matter how much i tried to avoid it that was a constant lol.

posted March 16, 2025 08:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage2:
Doux, I went through what you are going through a few years ago, but I have now settled on a slightly different perspective.

I used to live my life by astrology and I was obsessed with daily transits, synastries and composites and predicting my future. I also went for guidance to the best astrologers out there and paid a lot of money.

You would think with all that, I would have been a resounding success... but no, my life was still a mess! LOL

So I stopped watching the stars, I stopped worrying about transits and eclipses etc...Within 1 year, my life was so much better. I also had less anxiety. I also went through a profound religious experience and I vowed to never come near astrology again.

Years later, I now think astrology is valuable as a tool for self knowledge. So examination of your natal chart can be very useful in knowing one own's psyche and emotional makeup. But I no longer believe in spending too much time worrying about the future and trying to figure it out. I don't' like it when people are posting in a panic, worrying about an upcoming transit, and I usually try to reassure them that they will be okay.

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posted March 16, 2025 09:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
i find telling people everything will be ok and so will they too difficult personally, feels too heavy handed and sure. they might not be, things can go all sorts of ways. i've also never found it comforting to be told that either though.

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Why do I tell people that things will be okay? Well, what is the alternative? Reaffirming to people that things will not be okay because of an upcoming adverse Saturn, Pluto, Neptune, Uranus, or Mars transit? Reaffirming that they need to worry? Worrying about upcoming transits has never helped me or fixed things.

When I stopped obsessively watching transits and worrying about how they would personally affect me, I had less anxiety, I renewed my connection to God, I put my faith in God The Creator, not in the creation (the stars and all), I crossed each bridge as I got there. My life has improved so much as a result.

posted March 17, 2025 07:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage2:
Why do I tell people that things will be okay? Well, what is the alternative? Reaffirming to people that things will not be okay because of an upcoming adverse Saturn, Pluto, Neptune, Uranus, or Mars transit? Reaffirming that they need to worry? Worrying about upcoming transits has never helped me or fixed things.

When I stopped obsessively watching transits and worrying about how they would personally affect me, I had less anxiety, I renewed my connection to God, I put my faith in God The Creator, not in the creation (the stars and all), I crossed each bridge as I got there. My life has improved so much as a result.

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i'm just saying that it doesn't seem helpful to tell people something unknowable as reassurance to put them at ease, it's equally unknowable that things will be bad in this same scenario. so of course i'm not suggesting that.

better to tell them to remain present and deal when it happens, they'll have to anyway, and are only making themselves suffer in the meantime. whether things are good or bad they'll be temporary anyway and something seeming to be either in the moment says very little over the longterm. things that hurt can still turn out well, things that seem good can turn out to be **** .

idk false reassurances feel patronizing to me when people use them, they invite pushback and aren't universally comforting.

you do you ultimately.

as for the god stuff, i was raised catholic, i have a level of respect for the religion in book of abramelin terms, but also because there are spiritual truths there. of course those same spiritual truths are everywhere so the bible specifically doesn't hold claim to those but it's a fair enough system. mostly i respect the bible as a tool of power and control because of its long history of blood sacrifices giving it an edge in terms of force, afterall the blood of martyrs and warfare victims and casualties is an intense thing to be steeped in. when wielded correctly generations of people will remain obedient and fall in line, most hardly knowing why, and that's an incredible thing.

posted March 17, 2025 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi: i'm just saying that it doesn't seem helpful to tell people something unknowable as reassurance to put them at ease, it's equally unknowable that things will be bad in this same scenario. so of course i'm not suggesting that.

better to tell them to remain present and deal when it happens, they'll have to anyway, and are only making themselves suffer in the meantime. whether things are good or bad they'll be temporary anyway and something seeming to be either in the moment says very little over the longterm. things that hurt can still turn out well, things that seem good can turn out to be **** .

idk false reassurances feel patronizing to me when people use them, they invite pushback and aren't universally comforting.

you do you ultimately.

as for the god stuff, i was raised catholic, i have a level of respect for the religion in book of abramelin terms, but also because there are spiritual truths there. of course those same spiritual truths are everywhere so the bible specifically doesn't hold claim to those but it's a fair enough system. mostly i respect the bible as a tool of power and control because of its long history of blood sacrifices giving it an edge in terms of force, afterall the blood of martyrs and warfare victims and casualties is an intense thing to be steeped in. when wielded correctly generations of people will remain obedient and fall in line, most hardly knowing why, and that's an incredible thing.

i don't share your views though, my understanding of the God in the bible is that he's essentially the personification of the void. Which is perfectly acceptable of course but yeah... if that gives someone comfort there's no issue, but that being said i didn't have anything to say before about that side of your post, only the side where you say something potentially dishonest as a means of comfort because sometimes it's anything but comforting to hear "it'll be ok" from someone who knows as little as you do about whether or not that's true.

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posted March 17, 2025 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage2:

The bolded seems like good advice to me as well and I am not disagreeing with the gist of it.

I purposely did not mention the bible or Christianity because that is not necessarily the basis of my position that everything can turn out well. I do know that having some kind of faith in the unseen world and in something greater than you can help people navigate life's toughest challenges. I wouldn't know how to address these challenges from an atheist point of view, though I did try, as I was an atheist for a great many years.[/B]

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i'm not an atheist myself so i couldn't tell you tbh, but i do agree with you that being aware of things under the surface helps a lot. the understanding of the self and of life beyond the material world, everything that lies unseen, that's always a good place to gain perspective from a more zoomed out space. i try to avoid putting my occult shaped views when comforting people (though more likely to here because of the nature of the space, it's easier to come across people who accept things like that in a place like this after all.) because of the risk of alienation, so i get why you do the same.

i was an atheist for a bit as a kid thanks to catholic school, then too many things happened that i couldn't deny which forced me to build new beliefs from the roots up. the side of reality we're speaking on(which i do believe the bible gives insight into) became far less bizarre than the atheistic narrative people can cling to afterwards. my life for the past 13 years has been a large series of spiritual experiments and learning from everything that comes my way.

however, there's things i think that can be implied universally. it's just a fact that everyone will experience pain and happiness, we'll all have highs and lows and that's unavoidable. even if a transit brings something bad with it, that doesn't have to stay bad, pain can be transmuted and become the foundation for something grand. embracing that side of life and learning and growing from it makes the experience worth more than the suffering. even an atheist can grasp that i think.

posted March 19, 2025 01:52 AM            

I always have an active and curious mind about acknowledging knowledge. I have been in a state of mind where I was so curious about where this 'FIRST' knowledge came from.

They say human's brain is limitless, powerful, and always have a room for growth. But the theory also tell us the earliest human ancestor are considered primitive and then growth to what we call now human evolution.

'Primitive' is like the key word for me because it's also mean that the brain is also not really that developed. If you see from religion perspective, it may be the Eve and Adam as the first woman and man, but let say they also don't have the knowledge of Modern people now know. Okay, I think it will be a very long and boring for some, so I'm going to the interesting part about what I found.

I usually listen to podcast when I cook in the kitchen. One day I scrolled down, I had this video recommendation about "Book of Enoch". I didn't think my algorithm around that topic but it caught my eyes and I thought maybe there was a reason why it appeared on the recommendation to watch. So, I clicked and listened to it. The whole information there is VERY INTERESTING to me especially about the FALLEN ANGELS.

I believe we need to keep an open mind about the history before us as well as the knowledge around us. What I found very interesting in the book related to this topic is the information of "how the group of angels (fallen angels) rebelled against God and began teaching humans things they weren't supposed to know like Astrology by Fallen Angel Baraqijal (others like developing weapon of mass destruction, knowledge of the constellations, the signs of the sun, etc).

I know there are a lot of opinion out there about the book of Enoch, but at least for me, it gives me some acknowledgement, enlightenment, and awareness, especially about Astrology and things that my mind goes wild questioning the world in a spiritual/religion/human matter. I now won't go too far (like trying to predict or too soon to judge) but only use the knowledge for certain thing and combine with other knowledge. The key word here: keep the open mind.

I have a friend who is a tarot reader and also learning about Astrology, and all those things like Life Path, Numerology, etc. When we talked she said I had a potential. I told her that I respect people who want to go serious and deeper into it because it needs a lot of energy and it's people's own choice in life isn't it? But I know a little bit the dark side of it and I think you will realize it if you pay attention enough about it.