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Topic: Language And The Problem With "IS"
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Valus
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posted May 16, 2009 04:25 PM
 
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AcousticGod
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posted May 16, 2009 05:18 PM
It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is. ~Bill ClintonIP: Logged |
LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schr�dinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
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posted May 16, 2009 05:55 PM
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Verb
third person singular of the present tense of be [Old English]
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Everyone is a teacher...
Everyone is a student...
Learning is eternal.
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woah city
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posted May 16, 2009 06:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCIqFAdI6eI IP: Logged |
Dervish
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posted May 16, 2009 06:52 PM
Irony alert: "Language is flawed."  An original scifi story I want to do holds the concept of humans being mentally imprisoned and controlled by linguistics as a core concept (and xenolinguistics being one of the most dangerous professions because they so often run afoul of political and religious leaders, and has just been made an illegal profession on Earth as the story begins). I hold the vast majority of governments, political groups, and other major power centers (religious, business, etc) as vastly antisocial forces. THE biggest reason (even bigger than endless warfare, etc) seems to me because of how they destroy language with endless spin, which is to say they wear away at the glue that makes civilization itself possible. If government was a product instead of one of the worst mental concepts/social delusions ever, it would've been banned (*) long before I'd ever been born. (*Yes, I recognize the irony of this statement, and I'm speaking figuratively anyway. ) IP: Logged |
Valus
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posted May 16, 2009 07:43 PM
 Armpit Farts, anyone?  IP: Logged |
Valus
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posted May 16, 2009 07:44 PM
Dervish,The irony is that
there is no irony.
"Language is flawed."
As you can see. Your story idea sounds sweet, you should do it. Have you listened to any of Terence McKenna's talks on culture and psychedelics? You'd probably dig a lot of his thinking. I dont know about anarchy though. The irony of anarchy always seemed to me that it was the natural state, and government has just "evolved" out of anarchy. People saw some benefit in banning together in larger and larger groups, requiring an ever greater distribution of efforts to organize, and in allowing decisions to be made for them by "higher ups". What reason is there to suppose that we have learned anything, and that history will not simply repeat itself, if we do away with government altogether? IP: Logged |
woah city
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posted May 16, 2009 08:07 PM
what do you think of his take on anarchy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKVLvrUbbaE IP: Logged |
koiflower
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posted May 16, 2009 09:14 PM
The real problem maybe/likely/probably/could be "IT" and "THERE"."Put it there" (Put what where?) "It's great!" (What's great?) "It's over there" (Where???) "I climbed the rock wall. It's dangerous" (The rock wall is dangerous? The way you climbed it is dangerous?) IP: Logged |
Dervish
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posted May 17, 2009 04:17 AM
The state as we currently know it didn't evolve out of "no government." Being oversimplistic, society was once very much into cooperation, but then a special class of people decided that they should have special privileges, and originally declared "divine right." They were worse in every way for society (generally, they are the disease that they claim to cure) save one: the ability to murder & terrorize. This is true today as it was once it began, though the rationalizations for it have changed (and "divine right" rarely evoked outside certain Islamic states).Now you can say that this is inevitable. Perhaps it is. But that's quite different from laying a false claim that "it's about people learning to work together and bettering society." Rather it's about an elite maintaining control over the masses by--at best--amoral means and spun by lies into "for the people," "public order," and "for the good of humanity." Here, this sums it up pretty well very short & sweet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQBWGo7pef8 Humanity will never fully rise above barbarism until the militant power of the state (including that of a "one world government") fades like the militant power of the Christian church also faded. For more on that, here's an explanation that's about 20 minutes:
http://www.freedomainradio.com/Traffic_Jams/stateless_society_take_2_320.mp3 I don't know if it's even possible. But I'm pretty confident that if society doesn't evolve into a stateless society (which can still be orderly), then our species is ultimately doomed. And I expect that someone's tax dollars will pay for the final nail in the coffin for our entire species. IP: Logged |
Yin
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posted May 03, 2010 02:00 PM
A good read. IP: Logged |
Valus
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posted May 04, 2010 07:55 AM
I forgot about this one.I wrote this before I'd
heard of Robert Anton Wilson
and his linguistic theories.
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mermaid26
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posted May 04, 2010 08:14 AM
Valus, I'm curious, have you read Wilson's Cosmic Trigger?IP: Logged |
koiflower
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posted May 06, 2010 07:29 AM
"Is "is" like "it"? Useless unless used usefully.Language is not boorish. IP: Logged |
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